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Discussion starter · #21 ·
TFL Replica said:
Asrock are the value kings. Their motherboard quality has been up and down in the past. Their quality seems to be decent this generation with no big screwups (to my knowledge) other than covering RAM slots with cheap gloopy stickers that left residue inside the slots.
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So when you say "value kings" am I to understand that you don't necessarily mean "quality kings" as well? One would think those two must go hand in hand. Because a lower quality board isn't very valuable when you're paying $280+. I would greatly appreciate it if you could elaborate a bit more. Thank you
 
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PhotonFanatic said:
So when you say "value kings" am I to understand that you don't necessarily mean "quality kings" as well? One would think those two must go hand in hand. Because a lower quality board isn't very valuable when you're paying $280+. I would greatly appreciate it if you could elaborate a bit more. Thank you
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I would say they're worth looking into. They usually target value for money, meaning they try to offer the same features at a lower price compared to their competitors. Asrock's PG Lightning, Steel Legend, and Riptide series come to mind. They also have premium products such as the aforementioned Taichi. Bear in mind Intel 14th gen will be on a new socket.
 
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TFL Replica said:
I would say they're worth looking into. They usually target value for money, meaning they try to offer the same features at a lower price compared to their competitors. Asrock's PG Lightning, Steel Legend, and Riptide series come to mind. They also have premium products such as the aforementioned Taichi. Bear in mind Intel 14th gen will be on a new socket.
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14th gen is on the same socket, you are talking the 14x00k series, right?
gamerant.com

Gigabyte Announces New Z790 Motherboards For Intel's 14th Gen CPUs As LGA 1700 Digs In

Gigabyte is bringing seven new Z790 motherboards that are compatible with 12th Gen, 13th Gen, and “next gen” Intel Core processors.
gamerant.com gamerant.com

I mean they are even still sticking with the Z790 nomenclature
 
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tatmMRKIV said:
14th gen is on the same socket, you are talking the 14x00k series, right?
gamerant.com

Gigabyte Announces New Z790 Motherboards For Intel's 14th Gen CPUs As LGA 1700 Digs In

Gigabyte is bringing seven new Z790 motherboards that are compatible with 12th Gen, 13th Gen, and “next gen” Intel Core processors.
gamerant.com gamerant.com

I mean they are even still sticking with the Z790 nomenclature
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My bad, 14th gen will indeed use LGA 1700, 15th gen will be on LGA 1851. Will cross it out in my original post.
 
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Well I may as well ask here. They're making more than 2 sockets for a single generation now? Perplexity says:

  • LGA 1150 (Socket H3): Introduced in 2013, this socket is designed to accommodate Intel's Haswell (4th Gen) and Broadwell (5th Gen) processors
    Intel's LGA CPU Sockets Explained | Digital Trends
  • LGA 1151 (Socket H4): Introduced in 2015, this socket is used for Intel's Skylake (6th Gen), Kaby Lake (7th Gen), Coffee Lake (8th and 9th Gen), and Comet Lake (10th Gen) processors
    Intel's LGA CPU Sockets Explained | Digital Trends
  • LGA 1200 (Socket H5): Introduced in 2020, this socket is designed for Intel's 10th Gen Comet Lake processors


    And Socket H4 fit 4 generations of CPU? You could have upgraded from a mid range 6th gen to a high end 9th gen on a single board? Not sure if it would have panned out well for you though.
    Intel's LGA CPU Sockets Explained | Digital Trends
 
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Z170 and Z270 did not get official support for Coffee Lake and Coffee Lake Refresh, but could technically run those CPUs with a BIOS mod. Z370 and Z390 would similarly not run Skylake and Kaby Lake officially, but a BIOS mod made it possible. Most Z170 and Z270 motherboards had so anemic VRMs that it was unfeasible to run an 8600K in them.

Comet Lake was LGA1200, and would not work in LGA1151 motherboards even if you made it fit.
 
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PhotonFanatic said:
So would you say that Asrock is the safer bet these days? Maybe they're the highest quality boards now that Asus and Gigabyte are no longer in a golden age.



To clarify, are you referring to this brand:

Graphics Card

Galaxy Microsystems Ltd.
www.galax.com www.galax.com

Sometimes I see people saying both "galax" and "galaxy" when referring to motherboards and graphics cards.
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GALAX used to be Galaxy.

I had a Galaxy GTX 460 Razor, single slot. Man that thing got HOT! But, kicked butt and at the time i had it in a microATX case with an ARECA 1222 RAID card in my Rampage III Genes' 2nd PCIE slot.

It ran great but LOUD with a single blower fan, OC'ed like a champ. Pain to clean and repaste, entire external housing was aluminum and copper, VERY heavy, and with GPU temp at 85c, housing also remained at 82c, and that was in a HAF 932 case with a 230mm side fan and a duct aiming air right at it.

I gave it away along with the x58 Gene III, ThermalTake 850w PSU, 120GB SDD, 8x 500GB RAID5 on an Areca 1222 RAID card with 24GB triple channel 1866mhz RAM and an i7 980x CPU to a buddy for an automotive tuning shop computer around 2016; its all still kicking and used daily.
 
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Arni90 said:
Z170 and Z270 did not get official support for Coffee Lake and Coffee Lake Refresh, but could technically run those CPUs with a BIOS mod. Z370 and Z390 would similarly not run Skylake and Kaby Lake officially, but a BIOS mod made it possible. Most Z170 and Z270 motherboards had so anemic VRMs that it was unfeasible to run an 8600K in them.

Comet Lake was LGA1200, and would not work in LGA1151 motherboards even if you made it fit.
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To clarify, no cpu would ever work outside it's socket. So an 1155 chip must go on an 1155 board. It becomes a bit confusing because it seems that sometimes they have 2, 3, or even 4 generations of chip on one socket. Then again, there's not much difference in some of these "generations". The should have to call some of them iterations instead.
 
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TFL Replica said:
My bad, 14th gen will indeed use LGA 1700, 15th gen will be on LGA 1851. Will cross it out in my original post.
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But wait! There's one I didn't consider, and nobody has mentioned:

EVGA.

Their customer service is some of the best... anywhere. Let alone in the computer industry. That alone may be enough, as long as the boards are decent. Even if the boards are about the same quality as their competitors, the customer service would put them above all the rest. Cause you could just call EVGA and have a decent chance of solving your issue.

And if it can't be solved, you won't hear any BS (or plain silence) like you would from the other companies. They'd just have you send it back.

So I'd like you hear your thoughts on the EVGA motherboards. Thank you

EDIT: They've denied shutting down every time they've been asked. It's possible they have no intention of shutting down, just exiting graphics cards.
 
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PhotonFanatic said:
But wait! There's one I didn't consider, and nobody has mentioned:

EVGA.

Their customer service is some of the best... anywhere. Let alone in the computer industry. That alone may be enough, as long as the boards are decent. Even if the boards are about the same quality as their competitors, the customer service would put them above all the rest. Cause you could just call EVGA and have a decent chance of solving your issue.

And if it can't be solved, you won't hear any BS (or plain silence) like you would from the other companies. They'd just have you send it back.

So I'd like you hear your thoughts on the EVGA motherboards. Thank you

EDIT: They've denied shutting down every time they've been asked. It's possible they have no intention of shutting down, just exiting graphics cards.
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Great customer service for sure and some really good products in the past. I don't think they intend to shut down. To me it looks like they're fighting to stay in business.
 
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Here's something else I didn't consider. Those EVGA boards are expensive! They only have one model, it's turned sideways, and it's $480. They need to offer more options.
 
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Pee-C said:
I have a Z690 Gaming X. Just broke off the PCIe slot latch while trying to remove my GPU. The GPU got STUCK under the latch. Luckily I have a HAF Evo XB case, so a latch is useless anyway. Not sure if it's due to poor quality or not but it should not have happened since the latch was fully pressed down at the time.
Other than that the board has been solid. I considered Gigabyte slightly above MSI and AsRock now, but in the mid 2010's ASRock was king. My Z97 Extreme4 is still kicking.
In general you get what you pay for. The PCIe "heat shields" nowadays are just for looks and obstruct the GPU from being removed easily.
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The same thing happened to me with Asus B550-A. I liked that Asus Prime Z790-A had a button which would unlock PCIE latch. It worked so well for me.

I haven't purchased any Gigabyte boards and GPUs in a long time. I was buying Asus (and MSI here and there) until Asus made headlines with their boards frying Zen4 CPUs and I'm not too happy with Asus myself. It took Asus like 9 or 10 months to release proper firmware for PG42UQ OLED monitor which I happen to own. If I would have known it would have taken them this long then I would have spent $1500 on a monitor without these issues.

I've been happy with MSI though. I haven't had any problems with their hardware in for about 5 years? Last time I had a problem with MSI was back around 2017 with X370 Pro Carbon board. MSI seems to have best value to performance boards and they are pretty solid right now. Also, ASRock came up. They started making better quality boards.

To me MSI seems most reliable right now. Then ASRock (friend has been buying heir boards for 6 years in a row and never had a problem). Then Asus/Gigabyte. Although in the last 10 years that I've owned at least 6 Asus boards I've never had a problem (besides PCIE latch breaking off).
 
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TFL Replica said:
Great customer service for sure and some really good products in the past. I don't think they intend to shut down. To me it looks like they're fighting to stay in business.
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Many of their top tier staff are gone, based on that and their new warranty period (3 yrs) it would appear they are winding down the business.

The founder even hinted as much, without directly stating it.

Fact of the matter is without the GPU div, which was iirc 60+% of revenue, they will not be able to afford to stay in business or compete, and i believe they know this.

I would hazard a guess the Z690 will be their last mobo design, and they will stick to mostly PSU's and misc stuff until such time it is announced that they are closing down.

Ive seen this happen before with other companies in other industries.

EVGA is likely on its way out.


FWIW, I was never a huge fan of theirs based on my personal experience.

Their EVGA SR2 mobo was great, but ALWAYS dropped my RAID cards upon reboot, which was never corrected, same with the MSI Z690 Force/Carbon Wifi i had; this is a simple BIOS PCIE bug which neither EVGA nor MSI cared to try to correct.

Ive since dropped EVGA and now MSI for mobos, and went back to high end ASUS boards and test them THOROUGHLY soon as they arrive.

I went through THREE EVGA 2080 Ti FTW3 Hydro cards till i got one with Samsung VRAM, the first three had Micron RAM and ALWAYS popped out 'space invaders' VRAM bullshit within minutes, even severely underclocked and undervolted.

The final fourth, Samsung VRAM equipped unit was a beat to **** 'certified refurbished' unit that was actually a 2080 Ti Black (base model) with their EVGA Hydro kit installed on it (which showed up in warranty info), that took almost THREE MONTHS between the return of my first TRUE Hydro Copper FTW3 and the final, 4th, modified base model 2080 Ti Black/Hydro kit, and the paste/pad job was AWFUL.



As far as Gigabyte, every one of their mobos ive returned for various QC reasons (dead 2nd pcie port Z370 Ultra, they gave me **** about needing it, i use PCIE RAID cards), also a few problematic mobos for PC's i built for clients and friends had odd issues.

Plus, Gigabytes' software and BIOS are not very good. Asus' BIOS is excellent, but their Armoury Crate **** SUCKS BALLS, but that is easily replaced by AI Suite and related software, even older versions from Z390 series continue to work on Z790 mobos.
 
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Vici0us said:
To me MSI seems most reliable right now. Then ASRock (friend has been buying heir boards for 6 years in a row and never had a problem). Then Asus/Gigabyte. Although in the last 10 years that I've owned at least 6 Asus boards I've never had a problem (besides PCIE latch breaking off).
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Retail boards are mostly neck and neck with quality these days (Intel side) have no idea with the AMD line.

With the retail brands Asus are in front, MSI/Asrock are second, but Gigabyte are in third place. Although Gigabyte might be last with quality and reliability, they still remain quite attractive with the vast poor, that still require a mainboard to support their current/future CPU/memory purchases.

Everyone needs access to New PC hardware, irrespective of their position in society.
 
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Since motherboard's switched to UEFI BIOS, I don't think Gigabyte has ever quite nailed it.
For whatever reason the same CPUs in their high-end boards usually require more voltage & run hotter than competitive boards. it's puzzled the industry for years.
It's not a big deal if you are custom water-cooling your build but if you use air-cooling or AIO it could be a problem.

For last 10-15 years, it's always ASUS usually or MSI with the Unify that has the best board. Gigabyte never seems to bring out the best board on the platform their usually middle of the pack or at the bottom of graphs. now these differences are usually small but it's usually why PC enthusiast avoid them.
 
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