Worth buying new ram for I7 8700K?

guily6669 · Oct 10, 2023

Hi there,

I currently have:

-Gigabyte Z390 Aorus Elite;
-I7 8700K;
-2x8GB G.Skill Sniper X 3600 CL19 (Totally love how they look but are just average dims);
-Asus Strix ROG RX6700XT;

I'm planning to maintain this PC for some good time, I bought the Motherboard + Ram + CPU as a combo used for like 350€ during the pandemic and the GPU I bought it used 2 months ago for 300 € (bought in January of 2023 according to seller), they all look mint and fully working.

With my current ram without any overvolting and no memcontroller overvoltage I barely can do anything other than like 19-19-19-39 instead of 19-20-20-40 (can't change CAS to 18 or goes puff neither go higher in mhz).

Before I go to the full limits I still have to delidd my CPU which I never have time and I'd be screwed if I break it because I will do it manually like I did to my old I7 3700K with just a blade which worked fine but still risky.

For now my I7 8700K is at 4.7ghz on all cores and 4.7ghz on the cache and currently on burn-in it will lead to max temps and downclocking before delidding so I decided not to mess with the memory controller voltages yet to put even more heat, but it's fine for all games I play which don't ever use the CPU to 100%...

Also besides CPU bottleneck for example on Starfield if I shoot a SMG with normal ammo against a empty wall or the sky outside combat my FPS goes to 20 and both my CPU and GPU utilization drop by a huge margin so I'm thinking beside lacking both CPU and GPU, there's also ram bottleneck added into the mix even though the fault is mostly just another badly optimized game like always...

1- Do you think it's worth buying 2x16GB of a much better ram for this PC? (Or should I just keep it as is with 16GB?)

2- What recommendation of mhz should I be looking for in this kind of hardware to push it hard (I'm thinking 4000mhz effective)?

3- What memories should I get that have good high frequency with good timings that isn't going to take my entire wallet? (It's getting harder and harder to find Samsung B dies)...

ps: My idea here is delid the CPU, push max OC, get good ram and go either max or near max OC on them, OC the GPU to the max and just keep this PC maybe even for another GPU upgrade to something used in the future before retiring it completely... But it's sucking that latest games are mostly very poorly optimized and are requiring crazy CPU power sometimes just to maintain 60 FPS, like even 9600K or Ryzen 5600X can't maintain 60 FPS 100% of time in Starfield, it's just crazy...

Thank You,
guily.

Ichirou · Oct 10, 2023

32 GB will be much better than 16 GB in today's day and age. There's just so much multitasking going on nowadays (and massive memory leaks with browsers) that it's just miserable to use anything less than 32 GB>

With that motherboard, I unfortunately wouldn't advise trying to get any beefy memory kit. Just settle for 3,600 MHz CL14 to CL16 and hope the board can handle it on XMP.

guily6669 · Oct 11, 2023

I know this board is not amazing for ram OC but I heard someone getting 4400CL17 on Z370 Extreme4 with a 8600K which sure doesn't mean anything but still...

I just found in my country a used "G.SKILL Trident Z RGB 32gb (2 x16gb) DDR4 4400mhz CL17 (rated CL17-18-18-38 1.50V)" (180€ + shipping), it still is a hell of a lot of money for memory for my old PC but very tempting cause I never ever had a higher tier ram or one that could even OC much and always dreamed to have one each gen since DDR1 but then I'd be beyond ruined if I wouldn't be able to achieve the fastest XMP of 4400 CL17 on my system for such huge amount of money or at least like 4200 CL16/17 (though it still seems like a fair price compared to ebay usually way above 200€) BUT it sure won't make a 180€ + shipping cost difference in performance or anywhere close for this old PC

However the worse is this particular used website from my country has 0 security, I bought my entire PC there in 2 parts and every time is a gamble that I had luck, there's no money back so they can even send rocks and I pay for it or just broken stuff...

ps: Do you think I should jump for such crazy expensive kit? (I mean for the price I could buy a decent average DDR5 for a last gen PC already)...

Ichirou · Oct 11, 2023

guily6669 said:
I know this board is not amazing for ram OC but I heard someone getting 4400CL17 on Z370 Extreme4 with a 8600K which sure doesn't mean anything but still...

I just found in my country a used "G.SKILL Trident Z RGB 32gb (2 x16gb) DDR4 4400mhz CL17 (rated CL17-18-18-38 1.50V)" (180€ + shipping), it still is a hell of a lot of money for memory for my old PC but very tempting cause I never ever had a higher tier ram or one that could even OC much and always dreamed to have one each gen since DDR1 but then I'd be beyond ruined if I wouldn't be able to achieve the fastest XMP of 4400 CL17 on my system for such huge amount of money or at least like 4200 CL16/17 (though it still seems like a fair price compared to ebay usually way above 200€) BUT it sure won't make a 180€ + shipping cost difference in performance or anywhere close for this old PC

However the worse is this particular used website from my country has 0 security, I bought my entire PC there in 2 parts and every time is a gamble that I had luck, there's no money back so they can even send rocks and I pay for it or just broken stuff...

ps: Do you think I should jump for such crazy expensive kit? (I mean for the price it can buy a decent DDR5 for a last gen PC already)...

Honestly, have you used Thaiphoon Burner to check and see what die type your RAM is, currently? If it's not absolutely hot garbage, you could try overclocking it a bit.

guily6669 · Oct 11, 2023

I don't think they are any good but rather just look pretty good instead in terms of design of the cooler (It came with the used PC so I didn't pick the ram it self like when I buy brand new)

Manufacturing Description

Module Manufacturer:	G.Skill
Module Part Number:	F4-3600C19-8GSXKB
Module Series:	Sniper X Digital Camo
DRAM Manufacturer:	Hynix
DRAM Components:	H5AN8G8N[C/J/D]JR-TFC
DRAM Die Revision / Process Node:	N/A / Not determined
Module Manufacturing Date:	Undefined
Module Manufacturing Location:	Taipei, Taiwan
Module Serial Number:	00000000h
Module PCB Revision:	00h

Physical & Logical Attributes

Fundamental Memory Class:	DDR4 SDRAM
Module Speed Grade:	DDR4-2133P
Base Module Type:	UDIMM (133,35 mm)
Module Capacity:	8 GB
Reference Raw Card:	A1 (10 layers)
JEDEC Raw Card Designer:	SK hynix
Module Nominal Height:	31 < H <= 32 mm
Module Thickness Maximum, Front:	1 < T <= 2 mm
Module Thickness Maximum, Back:	1 < T <= 2 mm
Number of DIMM Ranks:	1
Address Mapping from Edge Connector to DRAM:	Standard
DRAM Device Package:	Standard Monolithic
DRAM Device Package Type:	78-ball FBGA
DRAM Device Die Count:	Single die
Signal Loading:	Not specified
DRAM I/O Width:	8 bits
Column Addressing:	10 bits
Row Addressing:	16 bits
Bank Addressing:	2 bits (4 banks)
Bank Group Addressing:	2 bits (4 groups)
Programmed DRAM Density:	8 Gb
Calculated DRAM Density:	8 Gb
Number of DRAM components:	8
DRAM Page Size:	1 KB
Primary Memory Bus Width:	64 bits
Memory Bus Width Extension:	0 bits
DRAM Post Package Repair:	Supported
Soft Post Package Repair:	Supported

DRAM Timing Parameters

Fine Timebase:	0,001 ns
Medium Timebase:	0,125 ns
CAS Latencies Supported:	10T, 11T, 12T, 13T, 14T, 15T, 16T
Minimum Clock Cycle Time (tCK min):	0,938 ns (1066,10 MHz)
Maximum Clock Cycle Time (tCK max):	1,625 ns (615,38 MHz)
CAS# Latency Time (tAA min):	14,070 ns
RAS# to CAS# Delay Time (tRCD min):	14,070 ns
Row Precharge Delay Time (tRP min):	14,070 ns
Active to Precharge Delay Time (tRAS min):	32,875 ns
Act to Act/Refresh Delay Time (tRC min):	46,900 ns
Normal Refresh Recovery Delay Time (tRFC1 min):	350,000 ns
2x mode Refresh Recovery Delay Time (tRFC2 min):	260,000 ns
4x mode Refresh Recovery Delay Time (tRFC4 min):	160,000 ns
Short Row Active to Row Active Delay (tRRD_S min):	3,752 ns
Long Row Active to Row Active Delay (tRRD_L min):	5,629 ns
Write Recovery Time (tWR min):	15,000 ns
Short Write to Read Command Delay (tWTR_S min):	2,500 ns
Long Write to Read Command Delay (tWTR_L min):	7,500 ns
Long CAS to CAS Delay Time (tCCD_L min):	4,699 ns
Four Active Windows Delay (tFAW min):	21,625 ns
Maximum Active Window (tMAW):	8192*tREFI
Maximum Activate Count (MAC):	Unlimited MAC
DRAM VDD 1,20 V operable/endurant:	Yes/Yes
Supply Voltage (VDD), Min / Typical / Max:	1,16V / 1,20V / 1,26V
Activation Supply Voltage (VPP), Min / Typical / Max:	2,41V / 2,50V / 2,75V
Termination Voltage (VTT), Min / Typical / Max:	0,565V / 0,605V / 0,640V

Thermal Parameters

Module Thermal Sensor:

Not Incorporated

SPD Protocol

SPD Revision:	1.1
SPD Bytes Total:	512
SPD Bytes Used:	384
SPD Checksum (Bytes 00h-7Dh):	7851h (OK)
SPD Checksum (Bytes 80h-FDh):	A01Ch (OK)

Part number details

JEDEC DIMM Label:

8GB 1Rx8 PC4-2133P-UA1-11

Frequency	CAS	RCD	RP	RAS	RC	RRDS	RRDL	WR	WTRS	WTRL	FAW
1067 MHz	16	15	15	35	50	4	6	16	3	8	24
1067 MHz	15	15	15	35	50	4	6	16	3	8	24
933 MHz	14	14	14	31	44	4	6	14	3	7	21
800 MHz	13	12	12	27	38	3	5	12	2	6	18
800 MHz	12	12	12	27	38	3	5	12	2	6	18
667 MHz	11	10	10	22	32	3	4	10	2	5	15
667 MHz	10	10	10	22	32	3	4	10	2	5	15

Intel Extreme Memory Profiles

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XMP Parameter	Profile 1	Profile 2
Profiles Revision: 2.0
Profile 1 (Certified) Enabled: Yes
Profile 2 (Extreme) Enabled: No
Profile 1 Channel Config: 2 DIMM/channel
Speed Grade:	DDR4-3604	N/A
DRAM Clock Frequency:	1800 MHz	N/A
Module VDD Voltage Level:	1,35 V	N/A
Minimum DRAM Cycle Time (tCK):	0,555 ns	N/A
CAS Latencies Supported:	19T	N/A
CAS Latency Time (tAA):	19T	N/A
RAS# to CAS# Delay Time (tRCD):	20T	N/A
Row Precharge Delay Time (tRP):	20T	N/A
Active to Precharge Delay Time (tRAS):	40T	N/A
Active to Active/Refresh Delay Time (tRC):	60T	N/A
Four Activate Window Delay Time (tFAW):	44T	N/A
Short Activate to Activate Delay Time (tRRD_S):	4T	N/A
Long Activate to Activate Delay Time (tRRD_L):	9T	N/A
Normal Refresh Recovery Delay Time (tRFC1):	631T	N/A
2x mode Refresh Recovery Delay Time (tRFC2):	469T	N/A
4x mode Refresh Recovery Delay Time (tRFC4):	289T	N/A

For now I'm using CL: 19; tRCD: 19; tRP:19; tRAS:19; Command Rate: 1T at stock voltage with stock memory controller voltage but I don't think it can do much better unless on 2nd and 3rd timings which are a huge pain in the ass to mess with, so I think this is already a sign they aren't likely going to OC much with max safe overvoltage...

ps: But anyway I will only try maxing them out after delidding the CPU some day if it goes well but on my I7 3700K even though it went well, the direct-die-cooling went pretty bad

trailer park boy · Oct 11, 2023

i would jump to 32gbs,,lotsa life in that chip yet,get a couple more years anyways

long2905 · Oct 11, 2023

get a 16gbx2 kit which should be pretty cheap nowadays along with a used 9900k/9900ks to max out your platform.

ozlay · Oct 11, 2023

long2905 said:
get a 16gbx2 kit which should be pretty cheap nowadays along with a used 9900k/9900ks to max out your platform.

9900k + new ram would cost more than a new platform. It's not worth it.

Ichirou · Oct 11, 2023

ozlay said:
9900k + new ram would cost more than a new platform. It's not worth it.

Yeah, this. And OP is clearly trying to stick to a budget.

guily6669 said:
I don't think they are any good but rather just look pretty good instead in terms of design of the cooler (It came with the used PC so I didn't pick the ram it self like when I buy brand new)

Manufacturing Description

Module Manufacturer: G.Skill
Module Part Number: F4-3600C19-8GSXKB
Module Series: Sniper X Digital Camo
DRAM Manufacturer: Hynix
DRAM Components: H5AN8G8N[C/J/D]JR-TFC
DRAM Die Revision / Process Node: N/A / Not determined
Module Manufacturing Date: Undefined
Module Manufacturing Location: Taipei, Taiwan
Module Serial Number: 00000000h
Module PCB Revision: 00h

Physical & Logical Attributes

Fundamental Memory Class: DDR4 SDRAM
Module Speed Grade: DDR4-2133P
Base Module Type: UDIMM (133,35 mm)
Module Capacity: 8 GB
Reference Raw Card: A1 (10 layers)
JEDEC Raw Card Designer: SK hynix
Module Nominal Height: 31 < H <= 32 mm
Module Thickness Maximum, Front: 1 < T <= 2 mm
Module Thickness Maximum, Back: 1 < T <= 2 mm
Number of DIMM Ranks: 1
Address Mapping from Edge Connector to DRAM: Standard
DRAM Device Package: Standard Monolithic
DRAM Device Package Type: 78-ball FBGA
DRAM Device Die Count: Single die
Signal Loading: Not specified
DRAM I/O Width: 8 bits
Column Addressing: 10 bits
Row Addressing: 16 bits
Bank Addressing: 2 bits (4 banks)
Bank Group Addressing: 2 bits (4 groups)
Programmed DRAM Density: 8 Gb
Calculated DRAM Density: 8 Gb
Number of DRAM components: 8
DRAM Page Size: 1 KB
Primary Memory Bus Width: 64 bits
Memory Bus Width Extension: 0 bits
DRAM Post Package Repair: Supported
Soft Post Package Repair: Supported

DRAM Timing Parameters

Fine Timebase: 0,001 ns
Medium Timebase: 0,125 ns
CAS Latencies Supported: 10T, 11T, 12T, 13T,
14T, 15T, 16T
Minimum Clock Cycle Time (tCK min): 0,938 ns (1066,10 MHz)
Maximum Clock Cycle Time (tCK max): 1,625 ns (615,38 MHz)
CAS# Latency Time (tAA min): 14,070 ns
RAS# to CAS# Delay Time (tRCD min): 14,070 ns
Row Precharge Delay Time (tRP min): 14,070 ns
Active to Precharge Delay Time (tRAS min): 32,875 ns
Act to Act/Refresh Delay Time (tRC min): 46,900 ns
Normal Refresh Recovery Delay Time (tRFC1 min): 350,000 ns
2x mode Refresh Recovery Delay Time (tRFC2 min): 260,000 ns
4x mode Refresh Recovery Delay Time (tRFC4 min): 160,000 ns
Short Row Active to Row Active Delay (tRRD_S min): 3,752 ns
Long Row Active to Row Active Delay (tRRD_L min): 5,629 ns
Write Recovery Time (tWR min): 15,000 ns
Short Write to Read Command Delay (tWTR_S min): 2,500 ns
Long Write to Read Command Delay (tWTR_L min): 7,500 ns
Long CAS to CAS Delay Time (tCCD_L min): 4,699 ns
Four Active Windows Delay (tFAW min): 21,625 ns
Maximum Active Window (tMAW): 8192*tREFI
Maximum Activate Count (MAC): Unlimited MAC
DRAM VDD 1,20 V operable/endurant: Yes/Yes
Supply Voltage (VDD), Min / Typical / Max: 1,16V / 1,20V / 1,26V
Activation Supply Voltage (VPP), Min / Typical / Max: 2,41V / 2,50V / 2,75V
Termination Voltage (VTT), Min / Typical / Max: 0,565V / 0,605V / 0,640V

Thermal Parameters

Module Thermal Sensor: Not Incorporated

SPD Protocol

SPD Revision: 1.1
SPD Bytes Total: 512
SPD Bytes Used: 384
SPD Checksum (Bytes 00h-7Dh): 7851h (OK)
SPD Checksum (Bytes 80h-FDh): A01Ch (OK)

Part number details

JEDEC DIMM Label: 8GB 1Rx8 PC4-2133P-UA1-11

Frequency CAS RCD RP RAS RC RRDS RRDL WR WTRS WTRL FAW
1067 MHz 16 15 15 35 50 4 6 16 3 8 24
1067 MHz 15 15 15 35 50 4 6 16 3 8 24
933 MHz 14 14 14 31 44 4 6 14 3 7 21
800 MHz 13 12 12 27 38 3 5 12 2 6 18
800 MHz 12 12 12 27 38 3 5 12 2 6 18
667 MHz 11 10 10 22 32 3 4 10 2 5 15
667 MHz 10 10 10 22 32 3 4 10 2 5 15

Intel Extreme Memory Profiles

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XMP Parameter Profile 1 Profile 2
Profiles Revision: 2.0
Profile 1 (Certified) Enabled: Yes
Profile 2 (Extreme) Enabled: No
Profile 1 Channel Config: 2 DIMM/channel
Speed Grade: DDR4-3604 N/A
DRAM Clock Frequency: 1800 MHz N/A
Module VDD Voltage Level: 1,35 V N/A
Minimum DRAM Cycle Time (tCK): 0,555 ns N/A
CAS Latencies Supported: 19T N/A
CAS Latency Time (tAA): 19T N/A
RAS# to CAS# Delay Time (tRCD): 20T N/A
Row Precharge Delay Time (tRP): 20T N/A
Active to Precharge Delay Time (tRAS): 40T N/A
Active to Active/Refresh Delay Time (tRC): 60T N/A
Four Activate Window Delay Time (tFAW): 44T N/A
Short Activate to Activate Delay Time (tRRD_S): 4T N/A
Long Activate to Activate Delay Time (tRRD_L): 9T N/A
Normal Refresh Recovery Delay Time (tRFC1): 631T N/A
2x mode Refresh Recovery Delay Time (tRFC2): 469T N/A
4x mode Refresh Recovery Delay Time (tRFC4): 289T N/A

For now I'm using CL: 19; tRCD: 19; tRP:19; tRAS:19; Command Rate: 1T at stock voltage with stock memory controller voltage but I don't think it can do much better unless on 2nd and 3rd timings which are a huge pain in the ass to mess with, so I think this is already a sign they aren't likely going to OC much with max safe overvoltage...

ps: But anyway I will only try maxing them out after delidding the CPU some day if it goes well but on my I7 3700K even though it went well, the direct-die-cooling went pretty bad

Apparently some sort of Hynix die but unknown. It's probably low quality then, as you surmised.

I don't know what your local marketplaces or computer retailers are like, but it probably doesn't hurt to check out eBay or Facebook Marketplace first.
I wouldn't rush things. Just keep searching around for Samsung B-die or Micron B/E-die and be patient. Hynix DJR is fine too.

Takla · Oct 11, 2023

6700 xt used for 300€?! yikes. could almost get a used 6800 xt for that

guily6669 · Oct 11, 2023

ozlay said:
9900k + new ram would cost more than a new platform. It's not worth it.

Exactly, at least for EU... And sadly the world is not what it was a good amount of years back which used CPU's would lose value very fast, since like Intel I3/5/7 gen 2 ~2011 they kept maintaining crazy prices for countless years, at least the unlocked ones...

Ichirou said:
Yeah, this. And OP is clearly trying to stick to a budget.

Apparently some sort of Hynix die but unknown. It's probably low quality then, as you surmised.

I don't know what your local marketplaces or computer retailers are like, but it probably doesn't hurt to check out eBay or Facebook Marketplace first.
I wouldn't rush things. Just keep searching around for Samsung B-die or Micron B/E-die and be patient. Hynix DJR is fine too.

I used to love Ebay but lately I don't see any deals, even CPU's and GPU's the dodgy website from my country I can find crazy cheaper options.

I also bought a old 5.1 amp from Yamaha which on ebay would cost me almost twice, but sure ebay has security which the website from my country lacks...

Also last time I got a I7 3770K on ebay was like around 90€ and on my country I got during covid pandemic: 3770K + Asus Sabertooth Z77 (I love sabertooths and I have a P67 too) + 16gb DDR3 + Nvidia GT 1030 (fanless edition that look unused, actually a cool GPU for troubleshooting) for 150€, even the motherboard on ebay would be around the entire price of the pack, most good deals are US only sadly and good prices from other countries probably don't even show up cause they likely lock for their country only and UK is out of the equation too sadly which is where I mostly got stuff back in the day...

Brand new I can find here on stores like for a bit above 80€ the usual 2x16GB CL18 generic stuff and they are already at 1.45v for those timings, everything good is easily 200+€ and slowly out of stock from the move to DDR5...

About the Samsaung B-die I remember a time there was generic ones from ebay crazy cheap that then would OC like crazy even without any cooler above most with coolers that have a much bigger price.

But I also heard Samsung-B die are better for timmings but not to push the limits of frequency, I definitely remember talking with a guy on discord that wasted literally thounsands of money on a huge box with a huge number of ram to then find the golden ones of OC LOL what a crazy...

Takla said:
6700 xt used for 300€?! yikes. could almost get a used 6800 xt for that

This is Europe and sure recently prices drop further but 2 months ago was even worse and this ROG version from Asus also cost a lot more completely overpriced compared to a ref. AMD RX 6700 XT, it was 830$ MSRP when it came out or something crazy like that...

But there was also a nice Power Color Red Devil RX6700XT for 240€ used but the seller never replied to me and sure there was others at 250 and so on but were ugly as hell so I decided to pay more for this Strix which is also claimed to be from January of 2023 and came with box and all accessories from ROG in mint conditions.

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But I'm totally open for suggestions if anyone find anything amazing at good price on ebay from Europe

Ichirou · Oct 11, 2023

You can try pleading to bscool in a private message to see whether he would be willing to sell and ship you one of his Samsung B-die kits for cheap. You'll have to pay for shipping. Be polite.

guily6669 · Oct 11, 2023

Ichirou said:
You can try pleading to bscool in a private message to see whether he would be willing to sell and ship you one of his Samsung B-die kits for cheap. You'll have to pay for shipping. Be polite.

But I still would have loved to have something cooler like you have in your signature for a low price in a 2x16GB config and a better looking ones in terms of cooler design

. 4300 (14-20-20-36-1T)

, but at that voltage is something I would never go my self cause this PC is to be playing games a lot for a good time.

Could you get the same timings on them as your Samsung B-die ram on that TeamGroup at 1.563v?

There are similar kits brand new for a bit above 100€ here in 32GB but the problem is the memories inside can be anything at all while the 180€ used kit which is high end is pretty much binned already doing crazy timings at low voltage from factory, it's still tempting but too expensive...

Ichirou · Oct 11, 2023

guily6669 said:
But I still would have loved to have something cooler like you have in your signature for a low price in a 2x16GB config and a better looking ones in terms of cooler design . 4300 (14-20-20-36-1T) , but at that voltage is something I would never go my self cause this PC is to be playing games a lot for a good time.

Could you get the same timings on them as your Samsung B-die ram on that TeamGroup at 1.563v?

There are similar kits brand new for a bit above 100€ here in 32GB but the problem is the memories inside can be anything at all while the 180€ used kit which is high end is pretty much binned already doing crazy timings at low voltage from factory, it's still tempting but too expensive...

With the mixed TeamGroup kits (two sets of 2x8 GB), one of them is average while the other is good. With the right motherboard (ASUS) and a strong enough IMC (this is crucial for non-9000 series CPUs of this generation), I think any Samsung B-die should be able to achieve those clocks.

When I used my Micron B-die kit (4x16 GB, which hit 4,300 CL14) on the Z390 PC, I could only reach 4,174 MHz CL15.

guily6669 · Oct 11, 2023

I'd be already pretty happy with that Micron B-die kit cause the ones you got at least are not crazy expensive at least on a 32GB kit but yeah they can use a mix of memories that we might end with a bad one that might not even be Micron B-die and that sucks...

I really wonder is if my Gigabyte Z390 Aorus Elite won't be a big let down for ram OC, I always heard it's not much good sadly and If the PC was bought as new for me I would have gone to Asus anyway my self cause my last Sabertooth P67 bought in 2011 for like 160 or 170€ worked all this time and would still be working if the CPU pins weren't broken and my I7 2600K was kept at 4.9ghz on air all those years till like 2 years ago which 1 core burned but it's even still working fine with 3 cores set in the bios on the Sabertooth Z77.

I PM bscool, will wait to see if he has anything.

Ichirou · Oct 11, 2023

guily6669 said:
I'd be already pretty happy with that Micron B-die kit cause the ones you got at least are not crazy expensive at least on a 32GB kit but yeah they can use a mix of memories that we might end with a bad one that might not even be Micron B-die and that sucks...

I really wonder is if my Gigabyte Z390 Aorus Elite won't be a big let down for ram OC, I always heard it's not much good sadly and If the PC was bought as new for me I would have gone to Asus anyway my self cause my last Sabertooth P67 bought in 2011 for like 160 or 170€ worked all this time and would still be working if the CPU pins weren't broken and my I7 2600K was kept at 4.9ghz all those years till like 2 years ago which 1 core burned but it's even still working fine with 3 cores set in the bios.

I PM bscool, will wait to see if he has anything.

Oh, he definitely has them available. He has a ton of Samsung B-die kits collecting dust on a shelf lol. The question is whether or not he's willing to sell. Which is why you must be cordial.
Just explain that you're in a tight spot where you live and it's really difficult securing legit RAM for a good price. If he's in a good mood, he'll throw you a bone.

guily6669 · Oct 11, 2023

Hope he replies in a good mood

If I was in the US wouldn't need to think about it, they have crazy deals everywhere, I'd probably go for a 3600 CL14 kit and forget about it...

Ichirou · Oct 11, 2023

guily6669 said:
Hope he replies in a good mood

If I was in the US wouldn't need to think about it, they have crazy deals everywhere, I'd probably go for a 3600 CL14 kit and forget about it...

That's not CL14 though. Title of listing is misleading. And the seller itself has a rather poor track record (sub-90%).

guily6669 · Oct 11, 2023

Yeah I got that right after and edited my post, he said CL14 and then was the cheap CL18 LOL...

But by the way I was only used to my I7 2600K and now with the 8700K it has cache OC support and all of that... I know Ryzen introduced the infinite fabric so I wonder what are the values that could potentially also give worse performance on a 8700K like the decouple happening on the infinite fabric on Ryzen?

Ichirou · Oct 11, 2023

guily6669 said:
Yeah I got that right after and edited my post, he said CL14 and then was the cheap CL18 LOL...

But by the way I was only used to my I7 2600K and now with the 8700K it has cache OC support and all of that... I know Ryzen introduced the infinite fabric so I wonder what are the values that could potentially also give worse performance on a 8700K like the decouple happening on the infinite fabric on Ryzen?

I used to rock an i7-2600K myself as well. Those were the days. I wasn't very experienced with overclocking at all.

Intel chips do not decouple and cause performance degradation like AMD processors do. That's why Intel chips are much better for memory overclocking.
AMD chips are generally not better than their Intel equivalents, but they typically beat in price or produce generations that surpass Intel temporarily.

Some workloads benefit more from AMD as well, which is also another reason for people to go Team Red. And there is also the matter of business deals and whatnot.

Worth buying new ram for I7 8700K?

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