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It's definitely disheartening after spending a pretty penny upgrading from an i7-4770k machine! All games are on one NVMe ssd yes. I upgraded to the latest firmware around a month ago on all the SSD's in my quest to solve things.

Can you put a problematic game on another SSD? Or maybe just reinstall windows altogether on a different drive?
 
Never had an issue with the 13900K crashing on any games, even when playing some of the said poorly optimized games, like The Last of Us, which doesn't even pull a sustained 250W and runs perfectly fine since release.

If you have any sense of how the 13900K at 5.9GHz needs 1.42v to be completely stable, you won't run undervolted voltage ever again. But when you increase the voltage your cooling is too poor to handle it anyway. At least fix one of these instead of running low Hz.
 
Hi!

I've been trying to fix game crashing for months and am hoping people much smarter than me might be able to help.

Games have been crashing typically stating a memory error which of course led me to think perhaps the RAM is messed up or my config just won't work since I have 4x 16gb sticks for a total of 64GB. I've tried XMP I and II and default, the ram is rated for 7200mhz but I run at 6800 since that is stable with 4 slots in memory tests. (also have ran at 6000 and the default 4400 without XMP I think it is but all options had crashes until I started trial and erroring settings in the BIOS). I think I've ruled out RAM and found it's actually the CPU as I changed the RAM to just have 2 sticks in the dual channel slots according to mobo manual, still had crashes and then changed to the other 2 sticks in the correct dual channel slots with the same crashing results.

What finally made the biggest difference where games rarely crash now is by lowering the CPU multiplier by 1 so 100mhz lower from a 55 to 54. From there I was still noticing a crash every once in a while so I lowered the multiplier to 52 and put PL1 to 125watts and PL2 to 240watts and then PL2 to 180watts to see if that made a difference but eventually a crash will happen in a game like Diablo 4, World of Warcraft, Call of Duty or Sons of the Forest so it seems like that 100mhz difference is the key to reducing crashes. There is never an error in event viewer for these crashes, most games say memory access violation, some form of memory error or in the case of Sons of the Forest it just crashes to desktop with no error. Also will sometimes see discord go blank and restart which I'm guessing is it crashing and then reloading itself.

I've tried 3 different BIOS versions as they've come out along with the applicable intel ME drivers/firmware stuff, same with windows updates, nvidia graphics drivers and SSD firmware and if anything I feel like the last 2 ASUS BIOS updates made things worse (until I lower that CPU multiplier or disable boost entirely which seems to make the CPU run slower than even the base speed without boost).

I haven't tried to overclock anything (unless you count the XMP profile but I've never went past it's rating and put it lower as I knew 4 dimms would be harder on the controller) nor do I need to as I feel like this should be a beast of a machine at stock, if anything I'd like to keep lower power limits to reduce heat and perhaps increase longevity of the PC.

At the 55 multiplier which is 5.5Ghz it is impossible to play most games as they will crash immediately, my best test is Call of Duty that crashes on the very first splash screen loading the game. Thermals seem good, even more so with the power limits and lower multiplier.

Would greatly appreciate any help as I don't know what else to do and would really like to avoid replacing the CPU or motherboard!

PC Specs are:
i9-13900K
64GB RAM (16GB x4) G.Skill F5-7200J3445G16GX2-TZ5RK @ XMP I 7200 downclocked to 6800
Asus Maximus Z790 Hero
Seasonic Prime 1300 Platinum PSU
Asus TUF RTX 3090
WD_Black SN850X x3
Arctic Cooling Liquid Freezer II 420
I read on Reddit there are many others with the same problem. I have the exact problem too. I had the problems with games when I had the 6900XT but with the 4090 now, everytime. DDR4 swap and all other things I've tried but no luck. It must be the CPU but why is the other question. Oh and my multiplier is now at 5,3Ghz, works perfect now but I don't want the cpu to underperform.

(Sorry for my bad english)
 
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3400mhz is correct and is the frequency. 6800MT/s is the correct term because ddr is double data rate (3400x2=you got it).

Tm5 usmus cfg is fine to start - run 6-12 cycles and refer to the diagnose spreadsheet found on this site.
Ah yes of course! I ran tm5 with extreme anta777 and it completed successfully after 3 cycles. Not sure how to make it run for more but I feel like the RAM is fine. COD Warfare II DMZ only loads if my CPU multiplier is set to 54 instead of 55 and the PL2 is set very low such as 160 watts or even the non boost normal wattage of 125 that would be on PL1
 
Discussion starter · #25 ·
Can you put a problematic game on another SSD? Or maybe just reinstall windows altogether on a different drive?
It's pretty much any modern game and all my SSD's are WD SN850x's. Would definitely prefer not to reinstall anything as I also do music production and there's so many plugins and things that would have to be set back up. It feels like I either need to just leave the CPU at a low power limit or try to RMA it.
 
Discussion starter · #26 ·
If you have any sense of how the 13900K at 5.9GHz needs 1.42v to be completely stable, you won't run undervolted voltage ever again. But when you increase the voltage your cooling is too poor to handle it anyway. At least fix one of these instead of running low Hz.
I'd definitely prefer not to increase power usage anyways and would be happy running at stock so 5.5GHz. I have an artic cooling liquid freezer II 420 so I feel like the cooling should be pretty good plus the temperatures look good mostly being within 60-70 degrees with a max looking like 80.
 
I'd definitely prefer not to increase power usage anyways and would be happy running at stock so 5.5GHz. I have an artic cooling liquid freezer II 420 so I feel like the cooling should be pretty good plus the temperatures look good mostly being within 60-70 degrees with a max looking like 80.
It doesn't matter when you are running unstable undervolted 5.5GHz even with a 420.
 
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It doesn't matter when you are running unstable undervolted 5.5GHz even with a 420.
I haven't undervolted anything just set power limits for PL2 lower than stock but the voltage should still be whatever stock is no? Sorry if I'm not understanding a correlation to something such as changing the power limits is now also undervolting.
 
I haven't undervolted anything just set power limits for PL2 lower than stock but the voltage should still be whatever stock is no? Sorry if I'm not understanding a correlation to something such as changing the power limits is now also undervolting.
No. Power is determined by voltage and current.

You lower the power in the motherboard then it is the same as undervolting to have lower voltage and lower frequency.

What's worse is that the voltage curve is auto-adjusted without manual offset.
 
You might try y-cruncher vst test.

I have this quick test after overclocking before gaming.

I made Shortcut properties.

Target: "D:\y-cruncher v0.7.10.9513\y-cruncher.exe" stress VST
Start in: "D:\y-cruncher v0.7.10.9513"
 
I haven't undervolted anything just set power limits for PL2 lower than stock but the voltage should still be whatever stock is no? Sorry if I'm not understanding a correlation to something such as changing the power limits is now also undervolting.
I'm waiting for the 13900KS to come back in stock before I do my warranty exchange. I ended up having to do a +voltage offset and now it's stable at stock clocks again. Although at much higher power usage. Cinebench R23 pulling 325W and CPU hitting 94C. Haven't tested to see how much I can dial back the voltage while still maintaining stock clocks. But regardless, if you've confirmed that the issue exists even after running your memory at official JEDEC spec (non-XMP, auto settings) then you've likely ruled out IMC degradation as the culprit and increasing voltage to the cores may stabilize you.

This would still mean that your CPU has an issue and a warranty replacement would be recommended. But something to potentially get you up and running now.
 
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This would still mean that your CPU has an issue and a warranty replacement would be recommended. But something to potentially get you up and running now.
I couldn't stand the crashing so even though I paid for a top of the line CPU at the time, i've had to gimp it at 54x CPU multiplier and max 160 watt PL2 and haven't had a crash on any game since. Feelsbadman. Warranty replacement seems to be the play it's just a PITA. Appreciate everyone's input and help!
 
There are several of us with 13900k/s that have been hit with degradation issues. I had to turn off Hyperthreading on mine to prevent crashing. And under intense load it still crashed at the stock 5.6GHz clocks with HT off last night, so I had to cap it at 5.4GHz. I was approved for a warranty exchange/refund on my 13900KS but they're out of stock atm so I'm holding on to it for a bit until a restock occurs. Assuming you've taken all necessary steps including re-socketing CPU, re-mounting block, with new TIM and making sure all is well there, and that temperatures are in check, I would recommend doing a warranty claim. I'd advise against mentioning using the XMP profile and when they ask you to submit an SSU log, disable XMP and go back to standard Auto clocks before running it. I sent them my report with actual XMP profile in use, but they can "technically" deny a claim as XMP is considered overclocking. It's complete nonsense imo. But it is what it is.
I've got some crashes at certain games (totally unpredictable, minecraft wouldn't run but rdr2 would without problems... I've done some tests and my cpu is absolutely fine but ht was indeed crashing certain games (happened to me and a lot of 13900k owners at games like cs2... So it might be a game issue and nothing to do with faulting cpus (that's my case)
 
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