Just purchased a i5 13600KF - Will my 2018 212 hyper black have enough cooling power? (yes, my z790 mobo has legacy slots allowing the 212 to fit).
Thanks!
Thanks!
Upgrading my CPU, will my old Hyper 212 black be enough?
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That cpu dont get that hot. Give it a go. If it doesnt handle it then you only out paste and time but might save money.
Enough for gaming at near spec settings, but it's not going to handle high sustained loads well. I'd really recommend upgrading the cooler as well; something like a Phantom Spirit 120SE or EVO is much more capable than the Hyper 212 Black, while remaining quite inexpensive.
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For 125 W with excursions to 181 W I too would suggest dual tower rather than single. However, if the 13600KF's mostly running light workloads I also agree with trying the 212 like @tubs2x4 suggested.
True, though the EVO's mostly a downgrade from the PS120 or PS120SE and, while Thermalright pretty well owns AM4 and AM5 air, they're not usually tops on LGA1700. For Intel, the ID-Cooling Frozn A620 and the several other coolers that seem to use the same base and heatpipe arrangement all tend to measure a couple degrees cooler than the Phantom Spirits, noise-normalized. The A620's between PS120 and PS120 EVO in pricing and seems less likely to need fans replaced.
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As long as you put some high RPM fans "1600-2000rpm" on both sides of the cooler in push/pull it should be ok, but as others have said you will really be pushing the limits of that cooler on high workloads.
If you plan on upgrading it should be ok to use short term until you get something more suited 😅
If you plan on upgrading it should be ok to use short term until you get something more suited 😅
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ALWAYS OVERKILL WHEN IT COMES TO COOLING AND PSU's. If the TDP on your CPU is 200 watt, go with a cooler that should cool ~300 watts TDP. Just a personal rule when building any system. I bought a very expensive, high end 1100 watt PSU back in 2018 - it has not once even batted an eye at anything I throw in it or put it through - Same with my cooler, I went with a 360 AIO when only a 240 was more than enough. I have been through a string of 5 CPU upgrades over the years and its never been insufficient. Even my 13700k has 20c headroom before throttling starts
You can make it work with the 212 for sure, but (just the way I do things) I would at least throw a fresh high static pressure fan on it, along with some high end TIM (I like the Thermal Grizzly Kryosheet.) The dark navy CoolerMaster Mobius would be a really neat aesthetic pairing with the 212 black, as would the Noctua Chromax NA-F120 with color accents, or the Gunmetal Phanteks T30 - but those fans are all around 30$ each, and the TIM is around 10$ (25$ if you go for the Kryosheet) at that price a new cooler makes WAY more sense because it includes everything; new TIM, new fans, a new dual tower, shiny new contact plate, higher fin density and double the surface area, easier mounting, more heatpipes... its nothing but a win in every way.
If you do stick with the 212 and like the idea of a new fan maybe consider the Arctic P12 Max instead - about as basic as they come but very affordable, they are the BEST 12$ fans you will ever buy.
Honestly - I would go with a new cooler just so I have a nifty visual reminder that there is more horsepower under the hood lol.
You can get a great air cooler or AIO these days for very reasonable prices; something in the 50$ price point gives you plenty of options. For air the Thermalright PA 120 Black or the PA 120 Black Mini would be a perfect fit here, or for an AIO the Deepcool LT520! Any of these should be way more than sufficient for a 13600k and give you plenty of headroom for a chip swap up to a 13900k or some overclocking at some point in the future (if the want arises). The 212 will get you by today, but it will not be sufficient for anything more than the stock spec.
The 212 allows zero room for even lateral upgrades. You can buy it now or you can buy it later - but eventually, you will need to shop for a cooler unless you have zero plans to build out this platform any further.
You can make it work with the 212 for sure, but (just the way I do things) I would at least throw a fresh high static pressure fan on it, along with some high end TIM (I like the Thermal Grizzly Kryosheet.) The dark navy CoolerMaster Mobius would be a really neat aesthetic pairing with the 212 black, as would the Noctua Chromax NA-F120 with color accents, or the Gunmetal Phanteks T30 - but those fans are all around 30$ each, and the TIM is around 10$ (25$ if you go for the Kryosheet) at that price a new cooler makes WAY more sense because it includes everything; new TIM, new fans, a new dual tower, shiny new contact plate, higher fin density and double the surface area, easier mounting, more heatpipes... its nothing but a win in every way.
If you do stick with the 212 and like the idea of a new fan maybe consider the Arctic P12 Max instead - about as basic as they come but very affordable, they are the BEST 12$ fans you will ever buy.
Honestly - I would go with a new cooler just so I have a nifty visual reminder that there is more horsepower under the hood lol.
You can get a great air cooler or AIO these days for very reasonable prices; something in the 50$ price point gives you plenty of options. For air the Thermalright PA 120 Black or the PA 120 Black Mini would be a perfect fit here, or for an AIO the Deepcool LT520! Any of these should be way more than sufficient for a 13600k and give you plenty of headroom for a chip swap up to a 13900k or some overclocking at some point in the future (if the want arises). The 212 will get you by today, but it will not be sufficient for anything more than the stock spec.
The 212 allows zero room for even lateral upgrades. You can buy it now or you can buy it later - but eventually, you will need to shop for a cooler unless you have zero plans to build out this platform any further.
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Interesting replies, thank you guys!
i don't OC, and outside of regular desktop browsing I do some light gaming (FO4, BG3, Skyrim, etc). Two follow up question:
1) My other concern is the old 2011 socket mounting bracket of my 2018 212 black. My new mobo (asus tuf Z970 plus) has "legacy" holes that can mount 2011 but would using the legacy holes provide less of a secure fitting etc?
2) What would cool better: a larger heatsink: AK500 DeepCool AK500 ZERO DARK High-Performance CPU Cooler, 5 Copper Heat Pipes, Single-Tower Heatsink, 120mm FDB PWM Fan, 240W
OR smaller heatsink but dual fan: AK400 plus DeepCool AK400 ZERO DARK PLUS Performance CPU Cooler, 4 Direct Touch Copper Heat Pipes, 120mm Fluid Dynamic Bearing PWM Fans, 220W TDP, Black
i don't OC, and outside of regular desktop browsing I do some light gaming (FO4, BG3, Skyrim, etc). Two follow up question:
1) My other concern is the old 2011 socket mounting bracket of my 2018 212 black. My new mobo (asus tuf Z970 plus) has "legacy" holes that can mount 2011 but would using the legacy holes provide less of a secure fitting etc?
2) What would cool better: a larger heatsink: AK500 DeepCool AK500 ZERO DARK High-Performance CPU Cooler, 5 Copper Heat Pipes, Single-Tower Heatsink, 120mm FDB PWM Fan, 240W
OR smaller heatsink but dual fan: AK400 plus DeepCool AK400 ZERO DARK PLUS Performance CPU Cooler, 4 Direct Touch Copper Heat Pipes, 120mm Fluid Dynamic Bearing PWM Fans, 220W TDP, Black
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Larger heatsink = more surface area for cooling = more efficient heat dissapation
In theory more surface area to cool means faster heat dissipation, The AK500 will absolutely cool more efficiently. You can get away with either of those coolers since you aren't into OC and don't have plans to do so down the line. The AK400 should be plenty sufficient at 200 watts TDP, as 13600k is rated for like 185watts max and the hyper 212 is only rated for 160 watts. So a good 200 watt cooler capped to Intel power recommendation and an undervolt should give you PLENTY of comfort, but it does have 2 fans, so if noise is an issue for you, it will be a tad bit louder and spin at higher RPM's to achieve the same efficiency of the larger tower AK500 (AK500 is basically a dual tower cooler with the 2 towers fused together into 1 massive one).... The larger tower on the AK500 will provide more cooling at lower noise levels since only 1 fan has to cool a much larger tower, but we are talking a minor difference. I'd say either one would be a good choice, plenty sufficient - but at 5$ more is there any reason not to go with the larger cooler? Besides, the AK400 isn't much of an upgrade over the 212, its basically appears to be the same cooler with an extra fan strapped to it and some modern aesthetics. Its not going to hurt anything at all to have an oversized cooler - even if its absolute overkill it does nothing but benefit you now and in the long run.
Side note - a 13th Gen contact plate is a great addition to any cooling setup as well... Consider one of those too.
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I think the Thermalright Peerless Assassin 120 SE at $33 on Amazon is the best bang-for-buck you can get. I wouldn't even consider anything else.
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I have a 212 Evo, and I despise it. I have not thrown it away because it was a gift 
What a hunk of ****.
What a hunk of ****.
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Both. For DeepCool, look at the AG620 and AK620s. There's always some luck involved with part to part variation and what performance you actually get but the best available data I'm aware of favors the A620 over either DeepCool. Some of that's likely FK120 blade limitations.
The extent to which coolers are optimized for different sockets is mostly not well documented, though ~3 °C is well known for certain cases in AMD. A one or maybe two °C edge from using an LGA1700 design, rather than LGA2011, on LGA1700 strikes me as plausible.
For up front cost among dual towers, yeah probably, though US$ 35 for a Phantom Spirit's pretty close. I'd add at least US$ 12 to either for fan replacement after premature TL-C12 failure, though, and the replacements I'd use with a 13600KF total in the US$ 17–30 range.
Kind of, yes, but I suspect you'd find it helpful to run through the fan affinity maths and thermal resistance terms. 10900K data suggests about a 6 °C spread between for a 13600KF under an AK500 versus the AK620, noise-normalized.
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