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#9,622 · (Edited)
At the end i ordered a 5700x3d and that gpu.
I went for the 5700 because, here where i am, the 5800 it's priced at almost the double than the 5700.
Too many bucks for a little gain.
Thanks all for your help, I'll let you know how.

Now i need to read again this thread to find how to optimize BIOS setting on my mobo, find a way to enable CO, etc
 
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#9,623 ·
Nearly double the price for roughly half a GHz is not worth it.

But still, 4GHz top speed is pretty sucky. But then again the top speed of the 58X3D is pretty sucky too.
 
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At least, it'll be anyway a huge improvement from my actual rig.

Owterspace said:
Nearly double the price for roughly half a GHz is not worth it.

But still, 4GHz top speed is pretty sucky. But then again the top speed of the 58X3D is pretty sucky too.
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komodikkio said:
At least, it'll be anyway a huge improvement from my actual rig.
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I noticed a difference between Zen 2 to Zen 3, that new CPU will destroy your old one :)
 
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Prophet4NO1 said:
I am currently running a 5800x. I am toying with getting the x3d. Mostly the system is used for gaming.

I know this is a sort of lateral move. I plan to put my current CPU in a machine I am building for my son. And I do not really want to plunk the cash for AM5.

I am wondering what issues, if any everyone has had with the x3d. I know generally it performs about the same or better than the normal 5800x. Sometimes a lot better. One game I play, that I can find no info on, is STALKER - GAMMA. It pretty well hammers a single core and I will likely be losing some clock speed. And I am not sure if cache matters much for that particular game. Anyone else play this title/mod?

Has anyone had issues with any games? Lost performance, that is.
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Hello, I read this older post of yours asking about the performance of a 5800x3d on stalker gamma.

Did you end up buying one and running stalker gamma with it? I am curious about that as well. Haven't found any information about it anywhere.
 
#9,628 ·
Of course!! :)
Owterspace said:
I noticed a difference between Zen 2 to Zen 3, that new CPU will destroy your old one :)
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I ask here just in case... Anyone already modded the bios to unlock the features on an asus prime x370-pro with an x3d chip?
 
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#9,629 ·
komodikkio said:
Of course!! :)


I ask here just in case... Anyone already modded the bios to unlock the features on an asus prime x370-pro with an x3d chip?
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I don't think PRIME X370-PRO has flashback so I don't recommend flashing a modded BIOS, even though it can be done.
 
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Prophet4NO1 said:
I did. Performance was about the same. Maybe a slight increase in really busy areas. But nothing exciting.
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So is it fair to say that the old stalker anomaly engine doesn't benefit from the extra cache? Also have you done any optimizations with process lasso? The game hammers on a single core, so I think doing a single fastest core overclock or 1 ccx overclock and forcing the game to run on that might bring the best results.
 
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komodikkio said:
Ouch, that's sad 😢 😭
Thanks @LiimaSmurffi for the clarification
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I'd say just download the latest BIOS and set CO there if available if not, set it from Windows with PBO2 Tuner. (If that even helps the 5700X3D, due to lower clocks might not make a difference) After that it's just BCLK or a BIOS mod to get more core clocks, but only do so if you understand the risks. The gains are not huge. Your board does have the hidden boost override option that could likely be made to work, but since there is no BIOS Flashback if something goes wrong your board gets bricked.
 
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HighRiskV said:
So is it fair to say that the old stalker anomaly engine doesn't benefit from the extra cache? Also have you done any optimizations with process lasso? The game hammers on a single core, so I think doing a single fastest core overclock or 1 ccx overclock and forcing the game to run on that might bring the best results.
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There is only one chiplet on the 5800x3d. So, not much you can do besides keep the game off core0. I have done that. I am on a custom loop, so the CPU is always at a rock solid 4.45Ghz in games. The BIOS on my Crosshair VIII Hero wont push all the way to 4.5 for some reason. But it is always at 4.45Ghz in every game/program regardless of core load.

That said, my 5800x was pushing 4.8-5Ghz in games that used only 1-4 cores. And the 5800x3d is getting similar FPS at a lower clock. So, it is taking advantage it seems. But it is a wash compared to the old higher clocked CPU.
 
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There is only one chiplet on the 5800x3d. So, not much you can do besides keep the game off core0. I have done that. I am on a custom loop, so the CPU is always at a rock solid 4.45Ghz in games. The BIOS on my Crosshair VIII Hero wont push all the way to 4.5 for some reason. But it is always at 4.45Ghz in every game/program regardless of core load.

That said, my 5800x was pushing 4.8-5Ghz in games that used only 1-4 cores. And the 5800x3d is getting similar FPS at a lower clock. So, it is taking advantage it seems. But it is a wash compared to the old higher clocked CPU.
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So from what I've read, its hard to overclock the x3d chips, could you do a single core oc or does it simply refuse to go past 4.45ghz?
I'm on an old r5 2600 with my fastest core (ccx1) OC'd to 4.35ghz right now and the ccx2 at 3.9 just because why not, this is a preset I use just for stalker, I force it to use the core #3 which is the fastest one.
I was thinking about upgrading to a 5800x3d or 5700x3d, I know these chips rock for most games but I keep thinking about ol' stalker, especially with a 5700x3d because of the lower clocks
 
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HighRiskV said:
So from what I've read, its hard to overclock the x3d chips, could you do a single core oc or does it simply refuse to go past 4.45ghz?
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If you have a truly single-threaded game, you can make sure c-states are enabled, force all interrupts to logical core 0 or 1, then lock the game to logical core 2 or 3. The overwhelming majority of the time, if temps are under control, and you have some negative CO, this will lock the active cores near the 45.5x peak c-state boost. With solid cooling and a bit of BCLK, you can push this to 4.6GHz, maybe a little further. It's a lot of hassle for ~3% more performance, but it can be done.

HighRiskV said:
I was thinking about upgrading to a 5800x3d or 5700x3d, I know these chips rock for most games but I keep thinking about ol' stalker, especially with a 5700x3d because of the lower clocks
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Some games perform dramatically faster because of the v-cache, to the point that a 5800X3D can be 20-40% faster than a 5800X that's running 400-500MHz faster...but a few games run faster on a 5800X than a 5800X3D because the v-cache doesn't help them all that much.

Stalker sounds like it's leaning toward the latter, which would not be surprising for a very old game where proportionally more of it's code/assets can fit in a 32MiB L3 and where there is little cache contention because the game is very lightly threaded. For the few games like this, especially if you already have fast RAM, the most economical upgrade on AM4 might be something like a 5900X, which is heavily discounted in most markets. A 5900X is almost guaranteed to have a very high-clocking first CCD/CCX, can be manually OCed, and is easier to cool than a v-cache part. You can disable that second CCX, peg the first one at nearly 5GHz manually, and never have to worry about boost/scheduling issues...then when you need to do anything that's not gaming, you can reboot, load a profile with all cores and PBO enabled instead and still have much better multi-threaded performance than any single-CCX part on the platform. Probably want to make sure that nothing you play really favors v-cache before going that route though.
 
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#9,636 · (Edited)
I'm trying to figure how i'ìl have to use PBO2 and which are the parameters to imput when starting it (via task scheduler/startup script).
I read around there's not only a -x for each core, but there're other parameters.
Stil cannot find a complete howto/guide



LiimaSmurffi said:
I'd say just download the latest BIOS and set CO there if available if not, set it from Windows with PBO2 Tuner. (If that even helps the 5700X3D, due to lower clocks might not make a difference) After that it's just BCLK or a BIOS mod to get more core clocks, but only do so if you understand the risks. The gains are not huge. Your board does have the hidden boost override option that could likely be made to work, but since there is no BIOS Flashback if something goes wrong your board gets bricked.
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komodikkio said:
I'm trying to figure how i'ìl have to use PBO2 and which are the parameters to imput when starting it (via task scheduler/startup script).
I read around there's not only a -x for each core, but there're other parameters.
Stil cannot find a complete howto/guide
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You don't need to care about the power values unless your temps are high, only set the negative CO values for each core. Test them before creating the auto task.
 
#9,638 ·
Blameless said:
If you have a truly single-threaded game, you can make sure c-states are enabled, force all interrupts to logical core 0 or 1, then lock the game to logical core 2 or 3. The overwhelming majority of the time, if temps are under control, and you have some negative CO, this will lock the active cores near the 45.5x peak c-state boost. With solid cooling and a bit of BCLK, you can push this to 4.6GHz, maybe a little further. It's a lot of hassle for ~3% more performance, but it can be done.



Some games perform dramatically faster because of the v-cache, to the point that a 5800X3D can be 20-40% faster than a 5800X that's running 400-500MHz faster...but a few games run faster on a 5800X than a 5800X3D because the v-cache doesn't help them all that much.

Stalker sounds like it's leaning toward the latter, which would not be surprising for a very old game where proportionally more of it's code/assets can fit in a 32MiB L3 and where there is little cache contention because the game is very lightly threaded. For the few games like this, especially if you already have fast RAM, the most economical upgrade on AM4 might be something like a 5900X, which is heavily discounted in most markets. A 5900X is almost guaranteed to have a very high-clocking first CCD/CCX, can be manually OCed, and is easier to cool than a v-cache part. You can disable that second CCX, peg the first one at nearly 5GHz manually, and never have to worry about boost/scheduling issues...then when you need to do anything that's not gaming, you can reboot, load a profile with all cores and PBO enabled instead and still have much better multi-threaded performance than any single-CCX part on the platform. Probably want to make sure that nothing you play really favors v-cache before going that route though.
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Thanks, still If I were to upgrade I would go the x3d route anyway because most other games seem to benefit massively, I also enjoy SPTarkov which hammers CPU's because of AI and VR sims which do the same thing for AI, I heard that x3d's are great for both. I play a stalker anomaly modpack called EFP just because my r5 2600 doesn't quite cut it for enough SPTarkov AI for my taste. Stalker gamma or efp 1% lows will always be like 1 fps but I think there's no way around it.
 
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I need a little help with the task scheduler after a reinstall of windows. Nothing happens when I run this task:

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ObscureScience said:
I need a little help with the task scheduler after a reinstall of windows. Nothing happens when I run this task:

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Try removing the 0 at the end and the space before it so it ends with "...124"
 
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