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#2 · (Edited)
Some reports are saying that they need to retest them. So maybe some of their testing stations weren't setup correctly and they caught it too late. Kind of an odd thing to happen. But it seems reasonable. So there might not be anything wrong with them.

I can't see them really delaying them for anything else. Unless they put the IHS on wrong or something. Most things can be fixed with an agesa update.
 
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ozlay said:
I can't see them really delaying them for anything else. Unless they put the IHS on wrong or something. Most things can be fixed with an agesa update.
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Could be almost anything, but there is a lot that can't be fixed via firmware or microcode, if the underlying hardware isn't capable of it.

If, after seeing what's going on with Intel, for example, they wanted to cull the top of their voltage range, that couldn't be fixed without reducing stability or clock speed, which probably wouldn't be acceptable. Same thing if some samples had IODs that couldn't reliably do the 8000MT/s the new EXPO profiles are supporting, or needed more vSoC than they're comfortable with. Or they may be worried about performance comparisons and are culling the samples that don't meet revised V/F curves.

Better to sort this out, whatever this is, before bad reviews or failed parts cause worse issues.
 
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Blameless said:
Better to sort this out, whatever this is, before bad reviews or failed parts cause worse issues.
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Yup - IIRC, every Zen generation has had some sort of issue (FMA3 bug, excessive default voltage, USB woes, excessive voltage cooking chips...) it would be nice if Zen 5 was painless but I'm not holding my breath.

A delay of two weeks (for high end parts), though? If the issue is severe, that doesn't seem long enough. So I hope it's something minor.
 
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ozlay said:
Some reports are saying that they need to retest them. So maybe some of their testing stations weren't setup correctly and they caught it too late. Kind of an odd thing to happen. But it seems reasonable. So there might not be anything wrong with them.

I can't see them really delaying them for anything else. Unless they put the IHS on wrong or something. Most things can be fixed with an agesa update.
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For retest need much more time than 2-3 weeks.
 
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hmm 1-2 weeks delay maybe AMD notice something in first batch, if this was serious issue in following batches delay will 1-2 monhts. I personally wait for Zen 6 to upgrade from my R5 7600 budget king ;0
 
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Blameless said:
Could be almost anything, but there is a lot that can't be fixed via firmware or microcode, if the underlying hardware isn't capable of it.



If, after seeing what's going on with Intel, for example, they wanted to cull the top of their voltage range, that couldn't be fixed without reducing stability or clock speed, which probably wouldn't be acceptable. Same thing if some samples had IODs that couldn't reliably do the 8000MT/s the new EXPO profiles are supporting, or needed more vSoC than they're comfortable with. Or they may be worried about performance comparisons and are culling the samples that don't meet revised V/F curves.



Better to sort this out, whatever this is, before bad reviews or failed parts cause worse issues.
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But a lot that can't be fixed with microcode/firmware would take longer than 2 weeks to fix. So they probably already fixed it. And are swapping them with later batches.

amdpolaris said:
For retest need much more time than 2-3 weeks.
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Well they would swap them with chips they already tested. If they have enough to do that.
 
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ozlay said:
But a lot that can't be fixed with microcode/firmware would take longer than 2 weeks to fix. So they probably already fixed it. And are swapping them with later batches.
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The problem could be a manufacturing issue (and more recent info hints at this), but it could also be an issue with testing. Later batches may not have any changes done to manufacturing at all, they could just be correctly identifying failed/weak samples that shouldn't have made it through. They could also have decided they want to skew the mean toward better performance and are using some trivial issue as a pretext for a last minute rebin (by culling weaker samples).

The fix is to identify and remove parts that don't meet whatever spec they've decided on, no matter the reason they don't meet spec. The recalled samples that can actually meet spec will go back out with later shipments. The ones that don't will probably just be recycled.
 
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#11 ·
"Everyone" is waiting for x3d models, so "no one" cares about delay of 9000 series delay 😆
 
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Nizzen said:
"Everyone" is waiting for x3d models, so "no one" cares about delay of 9000 series delay 😆
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I am most interested in the 9700 which is probably the least interesting sku for a lot of people. I will wait for the reviews, perhaps even reviews of the X3D and 800 boards before deciding what to buy.

The delay of the non X3D chips will not speed up the launch of the X3D chips. :)

I do know your comment was a joke btw. :)
 
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Really impressed with Zen 5 so far in laptops. Forget the whole stupid renaming of "AI" chips but the performance seems to be a good step up...

I'm still rocking my R9 4900HS that feels quite snappy still. I think I'll wait another year to upgrade my laptop. Wait till Asus comes out with the Zen 5 chips in their G14 and jump on it. Seems like they've made decent headway in performance per watt too...
 
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You can push single core boost almost to 5,9Ghz
 
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