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Why does his reviews seem to be inconsistent???
The guy has a longwin machine and seeems to be a "pedigree" engineer, but at the same time you read him answering comments in his forum which makes me doubt what he is putting out there is legit, either because is biased or incompetent.



What do you think?
 
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Why the F would he measure at 1m? He's testing in a "clinical" environment. Nobody cares about replicating the distance at which a person sits from the PC here. You only care about raw numbers.

It's like the guy never ran a pc with 3-4 140mm fans running 1200rpm.....

Also he misses a lot of the popular fans out there, ans started with some odd picks, which leads me to believe they didn't buy a fan. All fans must be provided by brands....
 
SPL

 
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Well, Hwbusters is the review side of cybenetics, a certification company like 80 Plus. Companies send him fans and power supplies to measure and certify. Then, he reviews or presents the data of the certification process on the Hwbusters site.

1m is the standard distance that server fans use to produce their dB numbers. Consumer fans have more leeway when it comes to how they get their numbers. Cybenetics/HWBusters is leveling the playing field by using an industry standard protocol (ISO7779: 2018) to measure and certify fan noise metrics.
 
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Apparently you missing the obvious just like him.
He's testing fans the diy market runs around 600 to 1200rpm (maybe some exceptions run a bit higher). Why does 99% of ppl run those speeds???
There's hardware electrical noise, there's airflow turbulence noise provoked by crossed paths and obstructions, and there's the fact, the me, you, and the other guy above have 5-7-9-12 fans in a setup, sometimes more......

Nobody cares about checking manufacturers claims, we already know that MOST of them are either lies, or best case scenario, misleading because of chery picked units, or misleading ways of testing for that matter.

If I'm watching a review of a guy with a longiwn machine and an anechoic chamber, I'm interested how the fan does in the range of RPM most ppl run them. Not out of it.

Have you heard 4 nf a14 running at 1140rpm? I have a setup like that at home.
You can hear that PC from the next room.
I can clearly distinguish them from ambient noise at 1m distance running half that RPM.
And my hearing is far from perfect.....

He has the capability to make very precise measurements, so one way to increase the range is to measure noise closer. Yes measurements wont be comparable with manufacturers claim or other third parties, but who cares? He's a third party......

And I'm so tired of seeing the same "brain turned off" logic, that if something is bellow the noise floor, is somehow automatically inaudible.o_O
Your ears and brain are not a fking mic. Just because a mic cant pic it up, doesn't mean you can't distinguish it from the ambient noise.
 
1x nf a14 at 11xxrpm is very quiet compared to 4. Extrapolate what information is available and apply to your specific use-case.

Changing his mic distance would put all of his noise testing and certifications in jeopardy, so that won't happen. Maybe he will attempt 10/15dba, but the usefulness of those readings is questionable if most houses don't have a noise floor that low. Not sure on that.

VSG at TPU measures noise at 6in/15cm. His equipment isn't as accurate and precise as HWBusters, but his results are still solid. His fan data may be more useful to you than HWBusters.
 
I run a total of 21 Noctua iPPC fans, 5 in the chassis and 16 on the radiators.

At full speed, yes, they are loud.

Noise level is one factor, but what about frequency? I find a lower frequency more tolerable at higher SPL than a higher frequency.
 
And I'm so tired of seeing the same "brain turned off" logic, that if something is bellow the noise floor, is somehow automatically inaudible.o_O
Your ears and brain are not a fking mic. Just because a mic cant pic it up, doesn't mean you can't distinguish it from the ambient noise.
If you want completely subjective, made-up reviews of what things sound like, go to an audiophile forum. Most people here care about objective, repeatable test results that they can use their "turned off brains" to do some basic engineering to extrapolate from and apply.
 
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If you want completely subjective, made-up reviews of what things sound like, go to an audiophile forum. Most people here care about objective, repeatable test results that they can use their "turned off brains" to do some basic engineering to extrapolate from and apply.
If you measure closer is not repeatable and somehow makes it subjective?! it makes it more objective to extrapolate than have actual data repeated in the same conditions?!
God man.....
Im sorry man, im really sorry, if im getting banned or comment removed but i gotta say. Go repeat that in the mirror untill you figure out how stupid it sounds.....
 
Personally, I would prefer a completely objective review. You know, scientific method and all that.

Is everyone's hearing the same? No, of course not. Therefore, a reviewer publishing results based his/her individual perception is flawed.

I do agree that the end users environment will affect their own perception of the fan, but again, not everyone has the same ambient noise environment.

Is it possible to test every possible ambient noise environment? No. That is why a purely objective test with a set of rigorous standards must be followed to achieve an accurate result, and the only fair comparison.

However, as I stated before, I believe frequency should be included along with the SPL.
 
As soon as you turn an A14 into plural, they sure become eye openers when you give them some power. They are impressively loud. At full tilt I could hear my PC that I keep in the basement of my house on the main floor, with TV, kids, life going on.

I thought 5 was ****ing horrible, you have 21 lol.. jeebus.
 
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Personally, I would prefer a completely objective review. You know, scientific method and all that.

Is everyone's hearing the same? No, of course not. Therefore, a reviewer publishing results based his/her individual perception is flawed.

I do agree that the end users environment will affect their own perception of the fan, but again, not everyone has the same ambient noise environment.

Is it possible to test every possible ambient noise environment? No. That is why a purely objective test with a set of rigorous standards must be followed to achieve an accurate result, and the only fair comparison.

However, as I stated before, I believe frequency should be included along with the SPL.
Idk in how many ways to explain it.......... or convey it.
Changing the conditions, of the test, to increase its resolution, doesnt make it SUBJECTIVE, MISLEADING or INNACURATE. In fact it makes it MORE accurate.

This is like when you have a situation where the difference between CPUs is only 1-2-3% in the range of 60 to 90 (what would be margin off error usually), so you drop graphical settings (resolution, as in pixel density, is a good example), in order to get higher fps, increase the resolution of test, as in bigger scale, not pixels, to the range of 200 to 300fps, so the percentage difference is now clearer................. It allows you to be more accurate and precise, so you can take more precise measurements.

It's like using a magnifying glass, on the measuring tool. Yes, units of measure are represented larger than what you see with naked eye, but it allows you to read better the number, so it is more accurate because of it.
Why is this concept so hard to grasp?
 
Have it your way.

I prefer to rely on standardized test criteria.
 
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