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#1,881 · (Edited)
that's very weird you say when you move the mouse it goes to 1.4-1.5 v seems some settings are still not right for you.
When I move the mouse it goes to 1.27 max, all my settings are on auto as well except turbo offset for p-cares and e-cores oc and the lite mode 1 / LLC 6
I think you should lower the oc because it's pulling too much voltage and it's not recommended, when you drop to p core x56 you could even go to a higher number LLC.
There is always a big step for oc for voltages which is just not worth it, you are there as I see.
 
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#1,882 ·
viki_zaiko said:
that's very weird you say when you move the mouse it goes to 1.4-1.5 v seems some settings are still not right for you.
When I move the mouse it goes to 1.27 max, all my settings are on auto as well except turbo offset for p-cares and e-cores oc and the lite mode 1 / LLC 6
I think you should lower the oc because it's pulling too much voltage and it's not recommended, when you drop to p core x56 you could even go to a higher number LLC.
There is always a big step for oc for voltages which is just not worth it, you are there as I see.
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Actually it’s OK now. I probably had a rogue setting somewhere so I reset the CMOS and set it to INTEL DEFAULT. It flipped to MSI UNLIMITED when I set the Pcores to manual and locked them all in at 57

The rest was pretty basic.


MSI unlimited settings

All Pcores: 57
Watts: 253 long and short
Amps: 307
LLC: mode 7 (if you are running 4 sticks of RAM you will need disable XMP to set “Memory try it” to your desired memory clock speed that will allow windows to boot, otherwise it will remain at base clock. If you are only running 2 sticks of RAM then you should be OK with XMP enabled. In my case I set memory try it to 5400cl36 and had to bring LLC down to mode 6 as windows 11 would not boot in mode 7)
CB: 35278
Max vid: 1.303
Max Vcore: 1.292
Max temp: 78.5c

this is the best result I have had trying to keep the voltage spikes as low and consistent as possible and it worked, moving the mouse around and working in apps doesn’t trigger a spike in voltage. I’m quite surprised as every other setting was left untouched. The settings you see above are the only settings I changed. I did a little research on CEP and checked out a few “buildzoid” videos (took forever). I’m not going to hold his words as gospel but on his advice I left CEP active and it’s all working as it should. My CB score isn’t as high as before but I rather have stable and consistent voltages vs crazy spikes every time I move my mouse cursor.
Working much better now and I really didn’t have to do much 😂
 
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Pabloottawa said:
Actually it’s OK now. I probably had a rogue setting somewhere so I reset the CMOS and set it to INTEL DEFAULT. It flipped to MSI UNLIMITED when I set the Pcores to manual and locked them all in at 57

The rest was pretty basic.


MSI unlimited settings

All Pcores: 57
Watts: 253 long and short
Amps: 307
LLC: mode 7 (if you are running 4 sticks of RAM you will need disable XMP to set “Memory try it” to your desired memory clock speed that will allow windows to boot, otherwise it will remain at base clock. If you are only running 2 sticks of RAM then you should be OK with XMP enabled. In my case I set memory try it to 5400cl36 and had to bring LLC down to mode 6 as windows 11 would not boot in mode 7)
CB: 35278
Max vid: 1.303
Max Vcore: 1.292
Max temp: 78.5c

this is the best result I have had trying to keep the voltage spikes as low and consistent as possible and it worked, moving the mouse around and working in apps doesn’t trigger a spike in voltage. I’m quite surprised as every other setting was left untouched. The settings you see above are the only settings I changed. I did a little research on CEP and checked out a few “buildzoid” videos (took forever). I’m not going to hold his words as gospel but on his advice I left CEP active and it’s all working as it should. My CB score isn’t as high as before but I rather have stable and consistent voltages vs crazy spikes every time I move my mouse cursor.
Working much better now and I really didn’t have to do much 😂
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Memory Try It! is a set of preconfigured memory training profiles that MSI implemented for people to try to overclock their RAM and also boot train with. It's an incredibly useful tool as it does in fact alter how the BIOS trains the RAM. Sometimes this very profile can make/break a personalized memory overclock.

The reason why you couldn't boot on LLC Mode 7 is because the Vdroop was too aggressive for high loads. Even if you aren't running any persistent high loads, many programs (and the OS) may still request a high load, if only for a fraction of a second, maybe due to AVX instructions or whatnot.
 
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#1,885 · (Edited)
There are a few different stages for stability:

1. Very unstable - Cannot even boot to Windows/ Blue Screens - Lower LLC number by 2
2. Unstable when running tests - you get a crash window after a few minutes/seconds when a test like Cinebench R15 extreme is running - Lower LLC number by 1 and test.
3. Unstable rarely in certain cases - First make sure it's the CPU fault, try Lowering LLC number by 1 - most of the people are here.
4. Stable - if you think you are stable on a high LLC number like 7, you might still want to try lowering it to 6.
to see if there is not a performance benefit because usually there can be if you have headroom.
5. OverDo - This can damage your CPU even in the short run! - if you get weird spikes up to 1.5v or very high temps like constant 100 degrees you can raise the LLC number and lower your OC or go back to BIOS default settings and try tuning again.

Always monitor your voltages when testing and also leave it on when gaming!!!
 
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coffeeplus said:
Same situation with my board, the DDR5 version of this. As if they forgot about it?
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It's here: MSI Tool Summary - Intel 700 Series

0x12B - Google Drive

drive.google.com drive.google.com


You need E7E07IMS.AE1

They uploaded the files 9 days ago and just didn't bother updating the homepage...


e: I must say having finally access to IA VR Voltage Limit is interesting. I set it to 1450, but it would throttle in games, and indeed even at 1500 it still throttles sometimes.
 
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#1,891 ·
digitalfrost said:
You need E7E07IMS.AE1
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Thanks, saw that from the MSI forum link, need to make some time for it.
I want to get it just for safety, considering what was advertised for this newest microcode.

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e: I must say having finally access to IA VR Voltage Limit is interesting. I set it to 1450, but it would throttle in games, and indeed even at 1500 it still throttles sometimes.
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Throttling with how many cores active? What game? You mean downclock, right? Does it affect performance then?
In a way, one might expect higher voltage with a lower load (less VDroop) than with a higher load, at same frequency, so is it in this context that it happens?
 
#1,892 ·
persizi said:
There are now official BIOSes with the 0x12B microcode for those who were worried about the beta.
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I don't see an official release yet for Tomahawk and I don't really care for bios updates anymore... they will keep coming
I don't want bios updates for "fix", I want bios updates if they can give me performance improvement.
 
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#1,893 ·
MSI Z790i edge
How to disable 255A VCC Current Limit?
On Asrock Z690 Extreme 0x12b i could set "force unlimited current" - enabled


Can't even play my lovely cinebench full speed, so disappointing

 
#1,896 ·
0x12B has been released for various boards today, and I imagine more will continue to be released over the next couple of days. My board, Edge Ti Max WiFi, has had noteworthy improvements. My notes are found here on Reddit, which are as follows:
0x12B was released for more boards today. Mine (Edge Ti Max WiFi) included. I will list some observations, some to be taken with a grain of salt considering my last stable BIOS was 7E25v15, which predates even 0x125.
Edit: oops, should note that these observations are on a 14700K.
  • IA VR Limit has been implemented. It seems to be functional. Capping it at 1.4v and trying to push past will lead to the CPU downclocking until it drops below 1.4v VID (or in the case of running an extreme stability test, it will crash the test)
  • My voltage requirements are significantly lower. On my last BIOS, degradation had pushed me upwards to 1.27v vcore (~1.29v VID) to run a 55p/44e/47r setup on extremely heavy loads (R15 extreme; higher for y-cruncher). That has dropped to ~1.245v vcore. I am now back to running 57p(!HT)/45e/48r at lower voltages that I required pre-degradation (1.28v vcore peak for extremely heavy sustained loads)
  • The multiple profiles (intel default, MSI bla bla bla) are the first thing you see in the advanced OC menu
  • Changing any ratios manually will automatically set the profile to MSI's unlimited profile, which basically yeets all settings to the max default values that the board previously set
  • Despite running this profile, IA VR Limit is still entirely functional
  • Despite running at a lower Vcore, my ring VID requests more voltage than it previously did. Not sure if this was due to an adjustment in v/f, accurately reflecting degradation, or otherwise.
  • I have yet to push my RAM any further, but FWIW my 7400c32 profile still runs fine. No long intensive tests have been done to prove this, but at least it isn't causing any instant errors in Karhu/Y-Cruncher/VT3/VST that I was used to finding upon instability.
  • Considering that the Edge Ti Max WiFi was among the last of Z790 boards to receive 0x129 (and received 0x125 on the same day as 0x129 lol), I would imagine that many boards should soon receive their 0x12B updates soon -- if not today.
Overall, I'd say this is a pretty good update. For those who really care, this release is not considered a beta. I don't really know why you guys care so much about that though -- more often than not, the beta and stable releases are identical.
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#1,897 · (Edited)
I consider every update of such sort beta, even if they are listed as final, I don't like scumbag liars.
It's worth updating bios when they add support to new features and improve performance.
"Fixing" an issue now when we are using our CPUs for more than 2 years and call it update to bios is re tarded
 
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#1,898 · (Edited)
Afferin said:
0x12B has been released for various boards today
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Z790i MSI edge 5.8/4.4 HT OFF DDR5 7100 same config for 0x12B from 0x129, so far so good,
will test limits further
 
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I also applied the BIOS with the 0x12B microcode and can report everything is as smooth as before.
Of course, some MSI defaults are still improper, setting 1.7/1.7 mOhm to the AC/DC Loadline after Loading Optimized Defaults, but once you dial in all the known working and sane values, all is fine.
Haven't experimented with IA VR Voltage Limit yet, but this is a very welcomed addition.
 
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