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Overclocking "Arrow Lake" - 285K, 265k, 245k etc results, bins and discussion
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I think if you try using any LGA1700 delid tool on 1851 you'll end up destroying your CPU. You cannot push the IHS far enough and if you do you'll tear off the SMD components. I would encourage you to wait to receive the 1851 delid tool made by @der8auer to do it. The way it was done in that video posted by @sugi0lover would even be far safer than trying to use the LGA1700 tool.
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It is not you can clearly see gaps in the mouse trailing on 1k polling rate using a 360hz monitor , using something like 144hz won’t make this really visible. On 8K it gets fixed but for it to really matter you need that high Hz and that high fps.
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4k probably is the sweetspot I feel. Between 4k and 8k, it is not so much of smoothness but click latency. That too is too small a difference for a disproportionate loss of battery life. I honestly couldn't tell the difference in terms of 4k and 8k in terms of smoothness on my 1440p 360hz OLED. Maybe higher refresh rates might make a difference but very few can probably notice that.
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285k + Strix-E set me back $2056 AUD.
About $1362.72~ USD
EDIT: well I lose only in shipping, since i'm posting them back tomorrow, heh.
Full on BSOD? If so, it's a known issue. Hopefully they get it fixed ASAP.
For now I've only come across the issue in Space Marine 2 Easy AntiCheat. I had to enable Core Isolation if I want to play that game. Super annoying. After enabling that, no issues. But I don't want to have to keep that enabled either, so that needs to be addressed. It does apparently affect other hardware configs, not just Intel either. It's likely just more Windows issues, were all Beta testers these days.
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The strain with it is quite high, but so are new USB superspeed? USB3.1 DACs. (for other passion-hobby/work)
OC Instability is very fast seen with such. Much more than PCIe 4.0 stability, although it being far higher throughput.
I/O stability is important and gladly factored in these days.
The interesting part on 8KHz mice is the sensortech behind
Even if it requires a low MPRT Monitor to show variances in pooling. Refresh-rate being the 2nd focus.
4KHz do be the sweetspot where motionsync still can be beneficial.
But this is a deep rabbithole & lack the time for gaming.
On this Optimum (Tech) YT, does a better job in describing the reason why it exists and what it's used for. As also why normal FPS user could still benefit from it.
Only the visual side starts to appear once you move to high refresh-rate monitors.
The tech is equally useful for people on 75hz monitors. Although rather in the processing realm.
Or for game engines which seperate inputs from shader or rendering. Mostly frame-sync titles.
On one hand CS:GO does suffer due to its initial design.
But more modernized titles as also Unity >2022 indie titles.
Including modernized such Valorant, Apex Legends, OSU!, Overwatch, Destiny 2 and probably also Deadlock.
Start to benefit from sub-pixel, subframe pooling
A deep and long rabbit-hole topic.
On unoptimized titles, pooling beyond 2KHz introduces stutter and with 8KHz the spam of calls outbeats remain GPU calls, dropping fps from 300-350 to low 28-35's
Partially but not only, because most game engines cap at 1000FPS and combine mouse pooling with it.
Causing a race-situation prioritizing I/O and completely ruining any GPU calls and so frametime.
A situation which looks like pairing a i7-970 with a 4090, in this case being a high pooling mouse far exceeding engine fps limiters.
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Glad to see ArrowLake and the ASRock OCF have no issues with high-pooling and high-strain USB devices 😁
Most of those calls land on P-Cores which is correct behaviour.
Hence on mouse movement the 285K should boost to 5.65-5.7GHz on stock, which it does once fixed. 👍
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There is a gap between 1k and 8k but 2k and 4k is even less diminishing returns. Plus 8k polling sends so many updates to the cpu it will actually affect your performance.
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Available but screwed. 285K is $1099 AUD which is $730 USD. Asus Z890 extreme is $1800 AUD which is $1200 USD but all available for pickup or post now.
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Yup full BSOD. From now on I will wait. This is my first time having so many issues with a new platform. Mind you i dont have the in depth knowledge some of you have but most time its just been a slight annoyance in the beginning.
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it does indeed impact performance , 2K is not enough for the 360 but 4K is kinda good , 1K-2K enough for my 200hz monitor though.
Too bad that we got worse CPUs this time so we won’t be able to drive such fast Monitors 😢
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FIASCO.
Intel 15th Generation New Core Ultra Processes are a complete Fiasco, no offense to anyone.
It is nothing more than a revised version of the 14th generation with the addition of an NPU section, and a slightly reduced power consumption. I have been assembling systems and working with hardware for 25 years, and I have never seen Intel like this.
Moreover, it is said that the socket will be supported until the end of 2025, which is complete nonsense.
There is absolutely no need for a person who has an undegraded 14th generation or 13th generation or even 12th generation Intel Core i9 or i7 to switch. I am not even talking about those with AMD 7950X3D, 7900X3D, 7800X3D Ryzen processors.
Intel 15th Generation New Core Ultra Processes are a complete Fiasco, no offense to anyone.
It is nothing more than a revised version of the 14th generation with the addition of an NPU section, and a slightly reduced power consumption. I have been assembling systems and working with hardware for 25 years, and I have never seen Intel like this.
Moreover, it is said that the socket will be supported until the end of 2025, which is complete nonsense.
There is absolutely no need for a person who has an undegraded 14th generation or 13th generation or even 12th generation Intel Core i9 or i7 to switch. I am not even talking about those with AMD 7950X3D, 7900X3D, 7800X3D Ryzen processors.
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I have the 1440p 480hz monitor on per-order so will probably just run 4k polling when it arrives. I have sold my 14900ks, and still have my 14900k which is in a spare PC. Unfortunately i went over to team red 7800x3d. Was hoping the switch to solve my audio popping issues as no e-cores messing around it was better on the 7800x3d. However, it turned out my goxlr was faulty lol, since moving to the Roland bridge cast x i have had no audio popping anymore.
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Not to state the obvious or teach your gran to suck eggs, but make sure to test at defaults, and remove memory OC from the equation.
I did some testing at 240Hz in AIM Labs recently and noticed a repeatable improvement in target tracking and snapshotting between 1K polling and 8K polling rates. Outside of these types of measurable tests, you'd be hard-pressed to notice the benefit when talking about milliseconds.
In my case, it's more "I'm still terrible but this is apparently helping a little" 😅
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Canceled the Alza, ordered from Alternate.de. Tray version, but who cares?
Back to the topic.
Is there any info where is the red line with Vcore-s?
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If anyone with the 285K that uses OBS, can you test if slow (or even slower) encoder on the x264 is doable? AFAIK, encoding is one of the strongest parts of ARL. It even scales with memory speed apparently, which is new. The 265K got to be the perfect encoder for the price.
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Jezzz , super fast display will melt everything from your retinas to your perception brain cells if you manage to hit 480fps , practically 0 motion blur , that’s better than reality itself for sure ! 😂
0 chance to drive this display at its fullest outside esport titles and you will need that X3D cpu for sure , as you can see this one will make things struggle even under a 200hz monitor.
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For those who have 3D printers I should be able to design a tool that avoids little caps on the board for safe delidding, if I have time over the weekend.
Penny / coin would be used and a hex nut to create pressure.
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