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#1,621 ·
Mr.Sunshine said:
Thanks for the info.... Just had core 1 fail again....
Iteration 7 error at -10
Iteration 11 error at -8
Iteration 4 error at -6
Iteration 39 error at -4

Running PBO at 10x and +200mhz. Was wondering if I should play with voltage/LLC maybe it set to Level 2
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Reduce CO again on that core. The fact that it went much longer at -4 might mean it is close to stable now (or it might have just got lucky that run).

With the +200 you are overclocking and the negative CO is undervolting, so you might even have one core that is not stable at +0. However, normally that is the core with lower VID, so won't have a real world impact on clock speeds if you can reduce the other cores (which have higher vid from the factory).

I would actually start adjusting by +/-5 on all cores before going for finer tuning. Any core that fails, add 5. Any core that passes lower by 5. Once a core fails, back off again. This way you can find the optimal for all cores more quickly.

E.g. core 1 failed at -4. Try setting that to 0. But the other cores that passed, lower by 5. Rerun and see if any others fail. Raise CO back up for the ones that failed. Lower by another 5 for the ones that passed. Keep a note of what passed or failed at what value for each run and iterate to find the optimal CO for each core.
 
#1,622 ·
@Alexshunter
To check with my Nova: I just increased my PPT from 142W to 150W - do one CB23 run and the increased power target was applied.
Have you done a CMOS reset und only touched the PBO? Some other boards such as MSI or ASUS have all OC menus twice. With them it's sometimes confising, if you apply different settings into the AMD Overclocking as well as the Tweaker (the other menu). The ASRock doesn't have this double structure - at least I think so.

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And as mentioned, yesterday night I entered 300W and got 41.000 points - so also this quite high limit was applied here.
 
#1,623 ·
blu3dragon said:
Reduce CO again on that core. The fact that it went much longer at -4 might mean it is close to stable now (or it might have just got lucky that run).

With the +200 you are overclocking and the negative CO is undervolting, so you might even have one core that is not stable at +0. However, normally that is the core with lower VID, so won't have a real world impact on clock speeds if you can reduce the other cores (which have higher vid from the factory).

I would actually start adjusting by +/-5 on all cores before going for finer tuning. Any core that fails, add 5. Any core that passes lower by 5. Once a core fails, back off again. This way you can find the optimal for all cores more quickly.

E.g. core 1 failed at -4. Try setting that to 0. But the other cores that passed, lower by 5. Rerun and see if any others fail. Raise CO back up for the ones that failed. Lower by another 5 for the ones that passed. Keep a note of what passed or failed at what value for each run and iterate to find the optimal CO for each core.
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Ran corecycler for 17hrs 21 min before it locked up OS. No errors just froze at following CO:
CCD0: -16 all cores except core 1 which was set to -2
CCD1: -25 all cores
After messing with CO a little seems to be CCD0 causing the lock up.... Set CCD0 to -18 expect core 1, CCD1 to -10 and froze up after 30 min. no errors.... Hard to say which core is issue with no errors
 
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#1,625 ·
Getting ready to swap out this delidded 9700X for my new 9800X3D.

Just pulled the heatsink off the 9700X and the liquid metal is still liquid, with so signs of further volume loss or additional alloying on the heatsink base. It's only been two months since I put the heatsink on, but the system has been running tests nearly 24/7 that entire time, often at very high heat loads, so I think my prep procedure is working.
 
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#1,626 ·
ApolloX30 said:
OK @Alexshunter
You limited your CPU via PBO to 142W and in CB23 HWinfo reads 141,XW. You had a max. boost of 5.614 MHz with 77,8°C and you received 18.465 points. This would relate to places #4 and #5 (out of 5) in HWbot. This indicates that with the given CPU there is nothing totally wrong.

Which PPT/TDC/EDC Settings did you apply for this run?
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I am trying to put 300W limit to PBO, but don’t know in which format to write in 3000000 mW or in 300 W? I am glad it is working for you, but not for me unfortunately.
 
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#1,627 ·
Alexshunter said:
I am trying to put 300W limit to PBO, but don’t know in which format to write in 3000000 mW or in 300 W? I am glad it is working for you, but not for me unfortunately.
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ASRock boards usually want mW and a W is one thousand mW. You want 300000 mW.

Really though 300W is so high that it's never going to be reached on any single CCD part, or even most dual CCD parts without really extreme loads. Just set "motherboard" limits and be done with it.
 
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Hi!, is the "rice" thermal paste method still valid for this platform? i think im having really BAD temps, currently at idle is 55° and my fans are kinda near the "mid" range, my gaming temps are 78 to 80°

I had better temps on the same Cooler/case/fans with a 10600k on 5.0ghz.
 
#1,629 ·
keke_keke said:
Hi!, is the "rice" thermal paste method still valid for this platform? i think im having really BAD temps, currently at idle is 55° and my fans are kinda near the "mid" range, my gaming temps are 78 to 80°

I had better temps on the same Cooler/case/fans with a 10600k on 5.0ghz.
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Remove your cooler and check contact surface. Sounds like your cooler isn’t in proper contact with the IHS
 
#1,630 ·
keke_keke said:
Hi!, is the "rice" thermal paste method still valid for this platform? i think im having really BAD temps, currently at idle is 55° and my fans are kinda near the "mid" range, my gaming temps are 78 to 80°
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Since the CCDs aren't in the center of the package a rice sized grain in the middle of IHS may not provide very good coverage unless the cooler and IHS are extremely flat and the TIM very low viscosity. I prefer the five dots method.

Anyway, 55C idle is quite high and 80C gaming is pretty warm.

keke_keke said:
I had better temps on the same Cooler/case/fans with a 10600k on 5.0ghz.
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Ryzen parts have much higher thermal density than 10th gen Intel CPUs, but no enough to explain the temps you're seeing.
 
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#1,632 · (Edited)
Alexshunter said:
I am trying to put 300W limit to PBO, but don’t know in which format to write in 3000000 mW or in 300 W? I am glad it is working for you, but not for me unfortunately.
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Hi enthusiast, don't need that much PPT told ya, but check this Asrock Title first if y wanna play with PBO, can found all info y need, especially this
pag.5 "CINEBENCH results, there is almost no change in single-threaded performance even when the TDP is increased"
pag.6 "The effect on games is not promising"
 
#1,633 ·
Blameless said:
Since the CCDs aren't in the center of the package a rice sized grain in the middle of IHS may not provide very good coverage unless the cooler and IHS are extremely flat and the TIM very low viscosity. I prefer the five dots method.

Anyway, 55C idle is quite high and 80C gaming is pretty warm.



Ryzen parts have much higher thermal density than 10th gen Intel CPUs, but no enough to explain the temps you're seeing.
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Some things obviously not seated properly. Plus what cooler is it? Like you were saying the thermal density is a lot different. On top of that the CCDs sit to the lower part of the cooler. I've also seen reviews where certain coolers sit more flush with Intel CPUs versus AMD and vice versa based on the IHS to cooler flatness
 
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Mr.Sunshine said:
Ran corecycler for 17hrs 21 min before it locked up OS. No errors just froze at following CO:
CCD0: -16 all cores except core 1 which was set to -2
CCD1: -25 all cores
After messing with CO a little seems to be CCD0 causing the lock up.... Set CCD0 to -18 expect core 1, CCD1 to -10 and froze up after 30 min. no errors.... Hard to say which core is issue with no errors
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There should still be a log from the last run. Check what the last core is in the log. Probably will be that one causing the lock up, although it is not possible to say for sure.
 
#1,636 ·
Thank you for more of you trying to help me, unfortunately not getting happen anything slowness for 300, neither extra speed for 300000. I wonder if really Ryezenmaster screwed up my system or my motherboard is so. Anyway I don’t want now to reinstall Windows, this motherboard has missing features. I am going to switch to Asus X870E Hero as I need asynchronous clock for better single core and gaming performance, functional PBO adjustment, Dynamic OC Switcher for benchmarks and nitropath for memory overclocking.
 
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#1,637 ·
OK! i did the five points method, i adjusted a little bit more the CPU cooler this time (kinda scared to apply force on it tbh) and these are the temps right now after a run of cinebench 2024:
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Idle temp is now : 47-48° and was almost all the time on 73.8° on load, a lot of less noise too!.

Cooler is ID Cooling 206 XT, i think this is the problem, i dont think is doing good contact on this platform.

But i feel a little more safer with these temps.


EDIT: Most of the time on cinebench the processor was doing 5.1GHZ, it was throttling? it scores a multicore of 991, i think its a normal score?
 
#1,638 ·
Mr.Sunshine said:
Some things obviously not seated properly. Plus what cooler is it? Like you were saying the thermal density is a lot different. On top of that the CCDs sit to the lower part of the cooler. I've also seen reviews where certain coolers sit more flush with Intel CPUs versus AMD and vice versa based on the IHS to cooler flatness
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I think that's the problem, i dont think it sits right on this platform, sad.

At the same time the thermal paste was well spread
 
#1,639 ·
keke_keke said:
OK! i did the five points method, i adjusted a little bit more the CPU cooler this time (kinda scared to apply force on it tbh) and these are the temps right now after a run of cinebench 2024:
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Idle temp is now : 47-48° and was almost all the time on 73.8° on load, a lot of less noise too!.

Cooler is ID Cooling 206 XT, i think this is the problem, i dont think is doing good contact on this platform.

But i feel a little more safer with these temps.


EDIT: Most of the time on cinebench the processor was doing 5.1GHZ, it was throttling? it scores a multicore of 991, i think its a normal score?
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991 is solid. I think default is 970-975. PBO/tuned will get you to 1050-1100s.
 
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