Decision 9800x3D or 13900k for smoother 4K DLSS gaming

menko2 · Nov 11, 2024

Hi.

For 4K even with the 4090 doesn´t make a diference between the two CPU because the GPU will be the bottleneck.

For this particular scenario using the 4090 to play at 4K 120fps with DLSS things could be difference as the CPU will be more in use i guess. Single player games normally.

I think the fps-lows are more important than average. I put a 117fps cap for g-sync to work smooth.

Anyone have tested something similar to know how the average and specially the min/fps are?

DAM20 · Nov 11, 2024

Hardware Unboxed just made a video about this, with Upscaling the 9800X3D is faster, 4K Native probably only on the 1% lows.

Gamerman · Nov 11, 2024

Agent-A01 · Nov 11, 2024

At 4K, it matters a lot less. Unless you are playing older titles

Gamerman said:

That video is E waste. 13700K does not use 180+w in games, so 1. He is either purposefully sabotaging it or 2. Mobo default settings are out of wack(worst case scenario svid) and is too much of a noob to know an issue when it's sitting right in front of him.

Lastly 13700K has significantly higher multi-threaded performance so not exactly 1:1 comparable products.

Ichirou · Nov 11, 2024

Just look up benchmarks for the CPUs and check their performance in the game(s) you play, and then compare the two.

Most non-trash review sites will be a bit more comprehensive and tell you the average, max, min, and 1%/0.1%/etc. lows.

yzonker · Nov 11, 2024

If buying new (currently don't have a 13900k) there's no reason to get a 13900k for gaming over the 9800x3d.

Only exception is if you want the better multithreaded performance of the 13900k.

ZealotKi11er · Nov 11, 2024

If you have 13900K, keep. No reason to upgrade.

Gamerman · Nov 11, 2024

Agent-A01 said:
At 4K, it matters a lot less. Unless you are playing older titles

That video is E waste. 13700K does not use 180+w in games, so 1. He is either purposefully sabotaging it or 2. Mobo default settings are out of wack(worst case scenario svid) and is too much of a noob to know an issue when it's sitting right in front of him.

Lastly 13700K has significantly higher multi-threaded performance so not exactly 1:1 comparable products.

It was to show how when he tested 4k or even 1440p that fps were alot of times similar due to gpu bottleneck in his case 4080. Between a 13700k and 7800x3d there is alot of spread between the two at 1080p though.

menko2 · Nov 11, 2024

Ichirou said:
Just look up benchmarks for the CPUs and check their performance in the game(s) you play, and then compare the two.

Most non-trash review sites will be a bit more comprehensive and tell you the average, max, min, and 1%/0.1%/etc. lows.

Can you tell me some good websites (more independent) to check? I follow a few and watch youtube channels that feels like they get a new cpu, ram or any component and not tune even the basics. Just install the new stuff and straight to bencharks.

Some of them only rely in average fps as results which is so misleading for good experience in gaming.

Agent-A01 · Nov 11, 2024

Gamerman said:
It was to show how when he tested 4k or even 1440p that fps were alot of times similar due to gpu bottleneck in his case 4080. Between a 13700k and 7800x3d there is alot of spread between the two at 1080p though.

Of course. He's one of those youtubers that uses a 6000 XMP kit. What else would you expect?

sultanofswing · Nov 11, 2024

When I was testing msfs2020 I tested between 7800x3d and 14900k.
With the default planes that come with msfs2020 the 7800x3d was a little faster than my 14900k/ddr5 8400 setup.
The instant I loaded up a more complex plane like the fenix A320 the 7800x3d started falling behind the 14900k setup.

Every youtuber that benchmarks with msfs2020 just uses a default plane and this does not tell you the whole story since more complex 3rd party planes are generally more complex/CPU intensive where raw single thread performance and memory bandwidth and latency come into play more.

I will be buying a 9800x3d here soon and see how it does, I suspect it will do good.
I don't trust any youtuber since they cannot test every single scenario available or they are J2C and have 0 clue *** they are talking about.

Gamerman · Nov 11, 2024

sultanofswing said:
When I was testing msfs2020 I tested between 7800x3d and 14900k.
With the default planes that come with msfs2020 the 7800x3d was a little faster than my 14900k/ddr5 8400 setup.
The instant I loaded up a more complex plane like the fenix A320 the 7800x3d started falling behind the 14900k setup.

Every youtuber that benchmarks with msfs2020 just uses a default plane and this does not tell you the whole story since more complex 3rd party planes are generally more complex/CPU intensive where raw single thread performance and memory bandwidth and latency come into play more.

I will be buying a 9800x3d here soon and see how it does, I suspect it will do good.
I don't trust any youtuber since they cannot test every single scenario available or they are J2C and have 0 clue *** they are talking about.

Msfs def likes x3d but i suppose thats the beauty of amd for 95% of gamers. For the most part plug and play… dont need expensive ram, motherboard and knowledge/time to get mem tuned. Only way for intel to compete with x3d is make their own version to capture the minds of the 95%. Then again gaming sector likely a very tiny of the cpu market.

Wolverine2349 · Nov 11, 2024

9800X3D or if you want more cores and better threading go 7950X3D. Avoid Intel 13th and 14th Gen like the plague, I fear they degrade so much faster than any other CPUs.

Arrow Lake has scheduling issues and lots of bugs and regressed gaming performance due to tile based latency so stay away form that as well.

If you really want to go Intel go Alder Lake 12900K and tune it. Very reliable and will thread much better than any current 8 core chip and does not have the stability/degradation issues RPL has.

Neo_Morpheus · Nov 12, 2024

Hardware Unboxed did balanced upscaling (1080p) which I find is too low for 4K. Quality (1440p) would still have benefits on the FPS over native 4K. Right idea to still have a good gaming CPU.

Mekboy · Nov 12, 2024

sultanofswing said:
Every youtuber that benchmarks with msfs2020 just uses a default plane and this does not tell you the whole story since more complex 3rd party planes are generally more complex/CPU intensive where raw single thread performance and memory bandwidth and latency come into play more.

Most youtube review need short gameplay scene to get a fast benchmark point and that's their major flaw.

Most game aftera heavy load or long progression like many MMO and RTS need some heavy load.

Take Factorio as an example, most benchmark for X3D is flawless, high score af but reality is, when your game progression is long and more complex, the extra cache is useless, the game itself now need more RAM speed and bandwidt + high clock to compensate it, long period session may lead to a fact that 7950X3D can out perform 7800X3D since the non V cache carry the clock it need.
I also take Valorant as an Esport title, many review take average FPS and draw a chart on it but their gameplay session mostly on swift play (or short death match), with real match, it dip down, my 7700 can achive highest 1000+ FPS while 13600K only 600+ but after a while, it only gives like extra 50-100 fps more then 13600K (sth like 450+ on 13600K and 500+ on 7700).

Jon_Cocktoastel · Nov 15, 2024

I have a 2 y/o system, 13900k and DDR4 B die z670 on 04/24 bios , tuned and oc'ed . No review of any hardware has better performance than this ol beater...if buying new today I would try the 9800x3d for sure , but looking for me I get another year or 2 out of this one. I'll slap a 5090 in in in a couple months and let it ride until maybe the next generation...and hope they can make something meaningful by then.

kairi_zeroblade · Nov 15, 2024

Gamerman said:

Another one of those ******s who are loudmouths but can't even tweak..the likes really ruin my day..if you ever personally tune your system to the its Apex Limits like what I do (trying out different Windows version releases, tweaking the hell out of the registry, breaking alot of crap and more) you will eventually notice the difference between an AMD system from an Intel one.

I used to have a 5900x with the top end board AMD can offer from Asus, the Dark Hero, I sidegraded to Alder Lake 12900K and a measly Strix Z690E motherboard and it was night and day, from where AMD would disappoint me (dips on gaming, plus the heavy delay on the input from my optical KB and 8k Polling rate mouse or even from my wired Hall effect Joystick controllers) Intel makes up for it (no dips/drops when very very fast movements on COD and inpuit is precisely accurate), I play on 4k so CPU doesn't mean much to it.

I currently run (and probably will still do so, since prices are crap anyways) 2x13900KS machines and both are serving me all too well with NOW a fixed scheduler (a specific build of 24H2 windows 11), Intel did a great job on power savings for ARL, but crapped alot on gaming performance (not totally crap, but from where I currently stand a 2 fps improvement for another 1500$ down the drain platform change isn't very practical), we'll probably see where it goes down from here, I am also holding off to check on what kind of "FIX" is Intel doing, but my gut feel tells me its another Windows 11 update for sure and some ucode stuff (which they seem to be rolling out now locking down DLVR (or was it the Gate mode) mode which is being "abused" according to them, thus making it only available for "EXTREME" purposes only)

Menko22 · Nov 15, 2024

Jon_Cocktoastel said:
I have a 2 y/o system, 13900k and DDR4 B die z670 on 04/24 bios , tuned and oc'ed . No review of any hardware has better performance than this ol beater...if buying new today I would try the 9800x3d for sure , but looking for me I get another year or 2 out of this one. I'll slap a 5090 in in in a couple months and let it ride until maybe the next generation...and hope they can make something meaningful by then.

My system is almost the same as yours. Only I have. The z790 strix-a D4 so basically the same. Tunned memory and oc the 13900ks.

I've been watching some reviews but specially in uses similar to mine. I play 4K@144hz so the 1%mins are important ones in my case.

I might jump into the 9800x3d. It'll be useful in the future with the 5090 as well but for now the fps lows with the 4090 will get a bit better.

Gamerman · Nov 15, 2024

kairi_zeroblade said:
Another one of those ******s who are loudmouths but can't even tweak..the likes really ruin my day..if you ever personally tune your system to the its Apex Limits like what I do (trying out different Windows version releases, tweaking the hell out of the registry, breaking alot of crap and more) you will eventually notice the difference between an AMD system from an Intel one.

I used to have a 5900x with the top end board AMD can offer from Asus, the Dark Hero, I sidegraded to Alder Lake 12900K and a measly Strix Z690E motherboard and it was night and day, from where AMD would disappoint me (dips on gaming, plus the heavy delay on the input from my optical KB and 8k Polling rate mouse or even from my wired Hall effect Joystick controllers) Intel makes up for it (no dips/drops when very very fast movements on COD and inpuit is precisely accurate), I play on 4k so CPU doesn't mean much to it.

I currently run (and probably will still do so, since prices are crap anyways) 2x13900KS machines and both are serving me all too well with NOW a fixed scheduler (a specific build of 24H2 windows 11), Intel did a great job on power savings for ARL, but crapped alot on gaming performance (not totally crap, but from where I currently stand a 2 fps improvement for another 1500$ down the drain platform change isn't very practical), we'll probably see where it goes down from here, I am also holding off to check on what kind of "FIX" is Intel doing, but my gut feel tells me its another Windows 11 update for sure and some ucode stuff (which they seem to be rolling out now locking down DLVR (or was it the Gate mode) mode which is being "abused" according to them, thus making it only available for "EXTREME" purposes only)

Yea so much for an unlocked processor lol

Jon_Cocktoastel · Nov 15, 2024

Jon_Cocktoastel said:
I have a 2 y/o system, 13900k and DDR4 B die z670 on 04/24 bios , tuned and oc'ed . No review of any hardware has better performance than this ol beater...if buying new today I would try the 9800x3d for sure , but looking for me I get another year or 2 out of this one. I'll slap a 5090 in in in a couple months and let it ride until maybe the next generation...and hope they can make something meaningful by then.

Menko22 said:
My system is almost the same as yours. Only I have. The z790 strix-a D4 so basically the same. Tunned memory and oc the 13900ks.

I've been watching some reviews but specially in uses similar to mine. I play 4K@144hz so the 1%mins are important ones in my case.

I might jump into the 9800x3d. It'll be useful in the future with the 5090 as well but for now the fps lows with the 4090 will get a bit better.

I am going to wait for the 9950x3d and see what 3d vcashe can do on all the cores rather than parking half of them

Decision 9800x3D or 13900k for smoother 4K DLSS gaming

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kairi_zeroblade

Menko22

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