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Hey all,

Been out of the PC gaming build scene for about 13 years (still rocking a 3770K with 8GB DDR3 haha). Looking to build a new system with a 9800x3d and have a couple of questions.

1). Is it even worth trying to manually overclock the 9800x3d from a performance vs efficiency standpoint? I've seen some videos that say enabling PBO increases power by 40% but you only get 10% more performance. What about curve optimizer. Is it the better way to go?

2) That then leads into my main question. Depending on the answer from #1, what are the recommended AIO's? Would a 280 suffice or should I go for 360?
 
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2) Arctic Freezer ii 280 or 320 should be similar and do the job.cif you have space the 420 version even better.
Personally I prefer the version ii against the new III because of the pump noise.

1) I'm new in AMD. Someone will help you out but bios are very new. Things will improve. Manual OC is normally better (and memory oc matter as well)
 
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If you have enough space for the 360 then definitely go for that one, but whichever you choose, try to mount it as an intake radiator, either on the front or the side. If you put it up top as exhaust, you will have significantly worse temps (~10c). So depending on your case, pick one that fits as intake but DO NOT mount it on the bottom, because it will eventually kill the pump.

The 9800x3d is worth overclocking manually, if you know what you're doing. You could potentially achieve a small overclock with possibly even a little undervoltage.
 
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Yeah, I haven't picked out a case yet due to still figuring out other components such as MB (it's down to Astrock X870E Nova or MSI X870 Tomahawk) and things like this. I thought about the Fractal North XL, but there are a few quibbles I don't particularly like (Top mesh is super loose and the front fans are super hard to remove/noisy which I would need to do if I got an AIO.
 
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Buy Phantom Spirit 120 EVO cooler and call it a day. Get some 6000Mhz CL30 ram, turn on EXPO and forget about it. It's not worth your time OCing this already fast CPU.

www.techpowerup.com

AMD Ryzen 7 9800X3D Review - The Best Gaming Processor

The Ryzen 7 9800X3D establishes AMD as the leader in gaming performance. This Zen 5-based X3D chip is not only fast, it also comes with full support for overclocking. Besides gaming, application performance is considerably improved over the 7800X3D, but that comes at a price.
www.techpowerup.com www.techpowerup.com
 
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Don't get a Cooler Master Atmos series cooler I can tell ya that. The mounting system is tragic on AM5.. same with the Lian Li Galahad II, also terrible mounting system..

Otherwise basically any AIO can cool it, even a simple 240 so yeah. The new Corsair Nautilus / Titan RX seem quite nice but a bit expensive. There's nothing better than a Arctic LF2 (not 3) with the offset mount. I might just grab another one too lol.
 
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I've seen a couple of suggestions for the AC Freezer II, but looks like they are end of life and can no longer be purchase new. The DeepCool doesn't seem to have RGB (which would be nice coming from a case with absolutely no RBG whatsoever, but not a total deal breaker. Yeah, those Corsair's are not cheap, but I figure I'll be keeping this system for at least 5 years so should get my money's worth. Looking at the Titan RX 360 LCD. $220 bucks but includes the LCD display and an iCUE controller hub.
 
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sticks435 said:
I've seen a couple of suggestions for the AC Freezer II, but looks like they are end of life and can no longer be purchase new. The DeepCool doesn't seem to have RGB (which would be nice coming from a case with absolutely no RBG whatsoever, but not a total deal breaker. Yeah, those Corsair's are not cheap, but I figure I'll be keeping this system for at least 5 years so should get my money's worth. Looking at the Titan RX 360 LCD. $220 bucks but includes the LCD display and an iCUE controller hub.
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I'm using my same iCUE H170i Elite Capellix XT as I did with my 7950X. Absolutely top notch.
 
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The new Titan RX seems good but there's no real reviews (yet). One that rates it fine but not better than the older H150i capellix.

It's not like my ML240 Atmos can't cool it, it does, but the mounting system is quite meh and core delta's are quite big. A LF2 with offset mount and the 38mm radiator would do better.

Another option would be the Lian Li Galahad 2 if you don't mind the stock plastic mounting clip mounts which are arguably terrible as well..
 
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Imprezzion said:
The new Titan RX seems good but there's no real reviews (yet). One that rates it fine but not better than the older H150i capellix.

It's not like my ML240 Atmos can't cool it, it does, but the mounting system is quite meh and core delta's are quite big. A LF2 with offset mount and the 38mm radiator would do better.

Another option would be the Lian Li Galahad 2 if you don't mind the stock plastic mounting clip mounts which are arguably terrible as well..
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Seems to be a decent amount of reviews actually:

www.anandtech.com

The Corsair iCUE LINK TITAN 360 RX RGB AIO Cooler Review: Meticulous, But Pricey

www.anandtech.com www.anandtech.com


tech4gamers.com

Corsair iCUE Link Titan 360 RX RGB Review: Beauty & The Beast - Tech4Gamers

The iCUE Link Titan 360 excels in performance, packed with all the signature features you'd expect from Corsair.
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Corsair iCUE LINK Titan RX RGB AIO CPU Cooler Review (this review is suspect). He used an open air bench at 4.4C and removed the stock thermal paste which is supposed to be really good for Kingpin, which is worse.)
 
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I'm running a custom loop, but if I were to use an AIO it would be the Arctic Freezer III.

 
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sticks435 said:
Hey all,

Been out of the PC gaming build scene for about 13 years (still rocking a 3770K with 8GB DDR3 haha). Looking to build a new system with a 9800x3d and have a couple of questions.

1). Is it even worth trying to manually overclock the 9800x3d from a performance vs efficiency standpoint? I've seen some videos that say enabling PBO increases power by 40% but you only get 10% more performance. What about curve optimizer. Is it the better way to go?

2) That then leads into my main question. Depending on the answer from #1, what are the recommended AIO's? Would a 280 suffice or should I go for 360?
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1). Maybe. The 9800x3d overclock because they put the cache underneath the cpu rather than above it where it insulated the thing. Several youtubers such as jayztwocents have messed about with OCing it. I’d take a look at their results. The 3770k was an OC monster though. Nothing beat it and the gains have gotten smaller and smaller over time. If you want 3770k levels of uplift the answer is “no, never”

2).Basically always go for 360 Or you’ll be better served going big air. There are ways to break this one because really good 2 fans will beat really bad 3 fans but you have to work at it a bit.
 
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By-Tor said:
I'm running a custom loop, but if I were to use an AIO it would be the Arctic Freezer III.

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I've heard the V3 pumps are noisy and have had multiple people tell me to stay away from the V3.

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1). Maybe. The 9800x3d overclock because they put the cache underneath the cpu rather than above it where it insulated the thing. Several youtubers such as jayztwocents have messed about with OCing it. I’d take a look at their results. The 3770k was an OC monster though. Nothing beat it and the gains have gotten smaller and smaller over time. If you want 3770k levels of uplift the answer is “no, never”

2).Basically always go for 360 Or you’ll be better served going big air. There are ways to break this one because really good 2 fans will beat really bad 3 fans but you have to work at it a bit.
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1.) I see most people getting +200mhz or so when using AIO's so not sure that is worth ~$200 dollars and yeah, my 3770K is running 4.2 or 4.3 on a Hyper 212+ or evo from that time period. I switched from a 2500K a few years back so lost some mhz due to ivy bridge being hotter, etc. I knew those days were long gone a few years ago. Still been following along with tech here and there, just haven't actively built or dug into the nitty gritty in a long time.
 
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I've heard the V3 pumps are noisy and have had multiple people tell me to stay away from the V3.


1.) I see most people getting +200mhz or so when using AIO's so not sure that is worth ~$200 dollars and yeah, my 3770K is running 4.2 or 4.3 on a Hyper 212+ or evo from that time period. I switched from a 2500K a few years back so lost some mhz due to ivy bridge being hotter, etc. I knew those days were long gone a few years ago. Still been following along with tech here and there, just haven't actively built or dug into the nitty gritty in a long time.
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Any 240 class AIO or high-end air cooler can do +200 with some form of negative CO. When you start to push it with eCLK/BCLK or a static OC is when it gets really hot.

For reference, a mate of mine also bought a 9800X3D and he wants to re do his hard line setup so it's just running on a DeepCool AK620 now (air) and it handles it just fine at +200 -20 CO.
 
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Imprezzion said:
Any 240 class AIO or high-end air cooler can do +200 with some form of negative CO. When you start to push it with eCLK/BCLK or a static OC is when it gets really hot.

For reference, a mate of mine also bought a 9800X3D and he wants to re do his hard line setup so it's just running on a DeepCool AK620 now (air) and it handles it just fine at +200 -20 CO.
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Yeah, I need to look and see if there are any good manual/static overclocking videos. The ones I've seen the past few weeks have just been offset/CO OC's.
 
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sticks435 said:
I've heard the V3 pumps are noisy and have had multiple people tell me to stay away from the V3.


1.) I see most people getting +200mhz or so when using AIO's so not sure that is worth ~$200 dollars and yeah, my 3770K is running 4.2 or 4.3 on a Hyper 212+ or evo from that time period. I switched from a 2500K a few years back so lost some mhz due to ivy bridge being hotter, etc. I knew those days were long gone a few years ago. Still been following along with tech here and there, just haven't actively built or dug into the nitty gritty in a long time.
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AIOs are not limited in cooling by the effective air cooling envelope of ATX which maxes near 300w so you can potentially do more. If you are looking at AIOs and can fit a three fan I’d say do it over a Two fan. A leGrande macho or NT15, or other six pipe twin tower air cooler (big air) have about the same capacity as a 240 air cooler though.
 
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bombastinator said:
AIOs are not limited in cooling by the effective air cooling envelope of ATX which maxes near 300w so you can potentially do more. If you are looking at AIOs and can fit a three fan I’d say do it over a Two fan. A leGrande macho or NT15, or other six pipe twin tower air cooler (big air) have about the same capacity as a 240 air cooler though.
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Yeah, I'm def going to go AIO since I haven't built a new PC in like 13 years and none of this stuff existed back then or was brand new and to expensive for me at the time. I will most likely use an Antec Flux case, so should fit a front 360 no problem. Just gotta narrow down which one.
 
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sticks435 said:
Yeah, I'm def going to go AIO since I haven't built a new PC in like 13 years and none of this stuff existed back then or was brand new and to expensive for me at the time. I will most likely use an Antec Flux case, so should fit a front 360 no problem. Just gotta narrow down which one.
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AIOs did and they do the same thing they did then. That’s when I found them to be loud. The problem was they couldn’t or at least often didn’t get ALL of the air out, which has to be done with closed loop or the air bubbles make potentially hellacious amounts of noise. different from loud fans but more annoying. Kind of like a coffee grinder. If theres really no air in theory they’re just as quiet as custom open loop. (Never got one. Tried twice so I have no data). IF they’ve managed to regularly get ALL the air out (it has been a while) theres basically no trade off to an AIO except that theres basically no fixing the pump, and when(not if, like an air cooler) it dies it will totally die. Hopefully that’s in 5 years or more though. If you get one with a bubble though they’re arguably worse. I don’t know how they are now. I stopped buying them many years ago. Back then an air bubble wasn’t considered a defect (though it absolutely was, and a game breaking one) and over $300 later I just quit. Open loop will do that too, but with open loop the bubbles GO AWAY. with closed loop theres nowhere for them to really go. I’ve always thought this is why custom open loop FTW
 
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