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Discussion starter · #62 ·
Sounds good to go then :) .

My 9700X when I flipped to +200MHz needed retune of CO per core. I'll try to find time to collate the data and post a table, etc.

OP has also been updated with section Heat intensity, may not be useful, but thought something to have as information in OP.
 
I'm trying to digest the incredible amount of information you put in the first post.

In the meantime, why is your power setting different than mine? Is this because you are on Win10 and I'm on Win11? I do not have that entry.

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While I'm at this, what is the meaning of the two greyed out cores showing in SMU Debug Tool? Are they meant to be like that?
This is how mine looks

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Discussion starter · #64 ·
@peroni

Welcome to thread :cool: .

I use registry edit to W10 to have core parking show in power plan. See link in OP section Why use core parking for CO profiling?.

I have dual boot setup, will check on W11 and see if same can be done.

As to greyed cores in SMU Debug tool check OP section SMU Debug Tool shows disabled cores.
 
@peroni

Welcome to thread :cool: .

I use registry edit to W10 to have core parking show in power plan. See link in OP section Why use core parking for CO profiling?.

I have dual boot setup, will check on W11 and see if same can be done.
Ok, found the relevant registry key to modify, now it shows in W11
As to greyed cores in SMU Debug tool check OP section SMU Debug Tool shows disabled cores.
I guess I was really looking to find out what the meaning of disabled is, does not seem to be related to parked cores so I'm not sure what SMU is really showing here.
 
Discussion starter · #66 · (Edited)
Ok, found the relevant registry key to modify, now it shows in W11
Great :) , please share it and will save me time and another user, will add to OP and state your find :) .

I guess I was really looking to find out what the meaning of disabled is, does not seem to be related to parked cores so I'm not sure what SMU is really showing here.
Why I park cores is also in OP, I kept it short in OP, but will try to improve section.

When Ryzen 1000 series came out, the boost algorithm wasn't as it was now. For a core to hit max XFR clocks other cores had to be parked. See the slide in OP section Why use core parking for CO profiling? and the red lined text. As far as I know CC6 is core parked.

As the CPU is single power plane and tools we use are SW monitoring. To better see the per core voltage I would think it is best to park the cores.

So when we load a core using Statuscore it is fully one core in use, so we see that core voltage. As said in prior post I use Statuscore as load sticks to a core, it's quick and easy.

I have been using Statuscore from Ryzen 1000 series, I used it with Ryzen 1000 / 2000 / 3000 / 5000 / 9000 series and Threadripper 1000 / 2000 series. It always showed max boost for a CPU. So it is my choice of application from experience over the years and gens of CPUs.

Ryzen / Threadripper 1000 series you had to find better cores, there was no information in HWINFO / Ryzen Master. From 2000 series this was available, link. I will add that to appropriate section in OP. On Ryzen 3000 series you had to use power plan from AMD, link to see lower idle voltages/frequency/temperature.

Then Ryzen has had observer effect from monitoring tools, hence the snapshot mode in HWINFO.
 
Discussion starter · #69 ·
@crastakippers

Welcome to the thread :cool: .

No worries, still more to do in OP :) . Just been busy with my own exploits to do it. Any thing you think I maybe able to help with just ask :) . I don't have all the answers, what I do have I will share :) .

Any experience gained from your tuning will help develop OP to help us all :) .

Just started using a 9800X3D a few days ago. Been just RAM profiling, maybe starting on CO tuning later today.
 
Discussion starter · #71 ·
@peroni

Offset ie Curve Optimizer Magnitude will never harmonize in per core CO. As each core is different so each offset will be differing. Some CPUs, just due to silicon to silicon variance you may see some CO Magnitude (Value/Offset) be similar on some cores.

Your voltages are harmonize, which is the target and you have hit it :cool:.

Below are 2x R5 9600X, same tuner setting CO, me :) . CB23 runs settings are stable in stability testing, so not just bench stable settings/data.

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#0209 shows higher frequency in some tests loads ie 5650MHz, see the single core results. But #0359 beats it in multicore, as it's sustained a higher all cores boost as CO was deeper.
 
Discussion starter · #73 ·
@Batleman

Welcome to the thread :cool: .

No, my fellow tuner :) .

Your harmonization target is all cores same voltage, down to fact the CPU is single power plane and when multiple cores are loaded dominant core voltage is used.

What I call CO per core profile Level 1 on any CPU I do CO profiling, you want to have a core on 0 and another may be close to 0. The best core will be 0, next best be close to 0, others will be a few magnitudes lower. All this depends on CPU silicon in use. Worse cores will be deeper CO.

As you are 9800X3D user, see my profiling/test data, only started on this CPU yesterday. I get stock first, then do Level 1, then Level 2 wasn't a global lowering on the CPU from Level 1. Then I also had to do retune of Level 3, initially on stock FMAX, then 2x retune on FMAX +200MHz.

The RAM Test rerun wasn't due to an issue I encountered it was to see post to post test speed difference.

I am continuing today on deepening CO and testing :) .
 
Hi @gupsterg 🫡

What I did was a more "aggressive" CO on the one that needs more voltage and I adjusted the others to get a voltage similar to this one

I will push the settings finer later (lack of time)

I was on x870e Crosshair and I switched to the x870e Xtreme Ai Top and it works differently if I put the same settings that I had put on my Asus. The Xtreme tends to push the frequency boost higher

The benchmarks and games are slightly more efficient, we are talking about 1 to 2% depending on the benchmark and the game but it is noticeable
 
May end up fiddling with this at some point but when you say stock, I assume this is PBO set to disabled?

Stock is set to auto I believe, I don't think it works the same on all motherboards but could be wrong. Latest msi bios also gives a warning for game boost being enabled (I do no activate game boost) if pbo is set to auto/enabled, so I can only do advanced w/ CO set to 0, or disabled.
 
Discussion starter · #76 ·
@notwalkin

Welcome to the thread :cool: .

Hi @gupsterg 🫡

What I did was a more "aggressive" CO on the one that needs more voltage and I adjusted the others to get a voltage similar to this one
This is reads correct to me :), your question before meant something else to. Maybe I did not understand.

I will push the settings finer later (lack of time)
No problem, look forward to reading share from you on your HW :) .

I was on x870e Crosshair and I switched to the x870e Xtreme Ai Top and it works differently if I put the same settings that I had put on my Asus. The Xtreme tends to push the frequency boost higher
Is CPU SMU FW same? you can see easily in ZenTimings. As we are tweaking Precision Boost the CPU SMU FW may have a bearing.

The benchmarks and games are slightly more efficient, we are talking about 1 to 2% depending on the benchmark and the game but it is noticeable
Maybe board to board difference.

I've finished CO profiling, L8 was no go LinpackXtreme told that quick. Somewhere between L7 and L8 seems right. L8 was showing effective clocks per core ~544xMHz, where as L7/7.5 is ~545xMHz.
 
Discussion starter · #78 ·
I'm going to do a little section in OP later today or day or so later. But here is a data ZIP highlighting something I saw comparing R7 9700X vs R7 9800X3D.

The R7 9800X3D seems like great power efficiency. The R7 9700X does need the cTDP 170W as would be riding cTDP 120W in CB23. The thing to also note, the 9800X3D has RAM OC, which adds to power consumption.

On average in CB23 the R7 9700X uses ~32W more when comparing each CPU at FMAX +200MHz. As a percentage ~21% to 27% more power than R7 9800X3D whichever way you wish to calculate it. The CO may seem less deep on 9800X3D, but if we look at voltage, it's using less.

I may redo testing at some point with 9700X at FMAX 5450MHz, and stable PBO CO it holds for that FMAX and both at same RAM setup.
 
Discussion starter · #80 ·
Thank you :) .

It stomps FCLK 2200MHz, has decent stability in FCLK 2233MHz for most tests, but CPU only oriented tests. Perhaps a later UEFI with improved FW may stabilse, but not biggie, as on the whole the CPU has quite a few desirable attributes IMO.

IMC on initial setup of 6000C28 used same SOC/VDDP as a R5 9600X and the R7 9700X that do 6400C28 1:1 GDM:On. I have not yet tried to see if this one does.

Cores seem good also.

The CO profile shared in previous post has passed ~8hrs AIDA64 CFC, link to data ZIP.

Currently doing Y-Cruncher, on a different POST as have been doing some POST to POST checks also.

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As I have been only doing tests of RAM/CO/Stability, my testing is also showing set FCLK VDCI Mode Pref to Predictive. It has no loss of performance in benchmarks, doesn't increase POST time from what I have seen, but for sure enhances stability. I am continuing testing and maybe able to show clearly a gain from it.
 
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