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What a joke. Doesn't even beat the 4070Ti. Given how close it is to last gen cards, the 5070 doesn't seem like it has a reason to exist.

I did not expect Nvidia to mess up this badly.
 
What a joke. Doesn't even beat the 4070Ti. Given how close it is to last gen cards, the 5070 doesn't seem like it has a reason to exist.

I did not expect Nvidia to mess up this badly.
man, your take is so myopic.

1. the 5070 beats 4070ti in quite a bit of situations
2. we have not sold a single 4000 series in a long time yet we are selling 5000 series like hotcakes
3. i have a list a mile long of customers waiting to buy 5070's
 
It's funny to me how people get suprised with reality, like i know most of the ppl are stupid, but not in such degree.
It was clear that 50 series are full of bs from the beginning, everyone that can think a little knew that.
 
man, your take is so myopic.

1. the 5070 beats 4070ti in quite a bit of situations
2. we have not sold a single 4000 series in a long time yet we are selling 5000 series like hotcakes
3. i have a list a mile long of customers waiting to buy 5070's
Who is "we"?

Clearly a lot of people wanted to buy these before the performance data came out because Nvidia exaggerated it's value.

Expect to see a lot of those orders get canceled now.

5070 should at least beat a 4070Ti, but it doesn't. It's slower on average.


If there is anyone with a myopic opinion here, it's you thinking this card is going to be well regarded by gamers now that the numbers are out. It's a clear disappointment, all the reviews are in agreement with that.

It's funny to me how people get suprised with reality, like i know most of the ppl are stupid, but not in such degree.
It was clear that 50 series are full of bs from the beginning, everyone that can think a little knew that.
I am surprised that the 5070 doesn't even beat a 4070Ti.
 
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Who is "we"?

Clearly a lot of people wanted to buy these before the performance data came out because Nvidia exaggerated it's value.

Expect to see a lot of those orders get canceled now.

5070 should at least beat a 4070Ti, but it doesn't. It's slower on average.


If there is anyone with a myopic opinion here, it's you thinking this card is going to be well regarded by gamers now that the numbers are out. It's a clear disappointment, all the reviews are in agreement with that.
Lol I genuinely thought the guy was being sarcastic. Either way, 100% agree with you!
 
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Traditionally, a 70-series SKU would at least match (or come close to) the 80-series SKU of the previous generation in pure native performance.


This piece of rat doo doo IS ONLY 5% FASTER THAN A 3080, which is TWO generations older.

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Traditionally, a 70-series SKU would at least match (or come close to) the 80-series SKU of the previous generation in pure native performance.


This piece of rat doo doo IS ONLY 5% FASTER THAN A 3080, which is TWO generations older.

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Yes but with the 3080 you didn't have the "0.5%" chance to find a GOLDEN card with a special number of ROPs. It also did not have Multi Flame Generation, or Anti Anti Lag Feature.
 
The biggest issue here is this:

Features like DLSS and frame gen use to be seen as extras. They were add on selling points that added value to the GPUs. Now, these features are not extras but rather Nvidia is using these features to supplement the underwhelming hardware.

So what used to be a nice add on is now standard practice from Nvidia's perspective, and they are relying on these features to justify selling weaker hardware at an inflated price.
 
The biggest issue here is this:

Features like DLSS and frame gen use to be seen as extras. They were add on selling points that added value to the GPUs. Now, these features are no extras but rather Nvidia is using these features to supplement the underwhelming hardware.

So what used be be a nice add in is now standard practice from Nvidia's perspective, and they are relying on these features to justify selling weaker hardware at an inflated price.
I agree, but would say that most of the new features require more VRAM, so unless you are playing at 1080p on older games with low texture settings/requirements the new "features" turn into anti-features on the 5070. Will be the same for the 16G cards soon enough.

So really they are using anti-features and shock marketing (5070=4090) as a smoke screen to justify inflated prices and relying on brand power alone to get them through since most people won't bother looking too hard at/for the issues/claims as long as it has the NVIDIA stamp on it. And 70 > 60, and 70 = mid range right?

I think Gamers Nexus put it correctly when they translated NVIDIA's marketing this gen to F**K YOU!
 
We already knew that Blackwell has only a marginal performance increase, functional unit for functional unit, and the number of functional units the part was likely to have.

The part will likely still sell out and be barely available near MSRP. The 4000 series will be out of stock before long, client Blackwell is a limited run sideshow, and the competition is likely be half-hearted. There is zero incentive for NVIDIA to do better.

About the only surprises are people thinking NVIDIA, or any corporation, could possibly have the ability to give a piss about them, or that NVIDIA's marketing can't wholly disingenuous and deceptive while being technically factual (be sure to read that fine print).
 
We already knew that Blackwell has only a marginal performance increase, functional unit for functional unit, and the number of functional units the part was likely to have.
That's true but Nvidia didn't have to be so stingy with Vram yet again. It's ridiculous that in 4 generations the Vram increase on standard 70 tier cards have gone from 8GB to 12GB. A 16GB 5070 at the same price point would have really been a winner and a clear upgrade from a 4070. This is just planned obsolescence. Nvidia knows people could get a lot of longevity out of their cards with DLSS if their cards had enough Vram to stay relevant for a while because people could just go down a notch in DLSS quality modes instead of upgrading to keep their cards for longer, so they make sure everything except the high end doesn't have enough Vram to last. Really even a 5080 with just 16GBs is ridiculous at this point, though it gets less criticism because 16GBs is just enough Vram to not have to worry about being limited in games for now.

Even if they had stayed on GDDR6 to get 16GBs on a 5070, that would have been much better than this.

Take a card like the 7900XT since it's a pretty even comparison to the 5070, even in RT. With the 5070, you're going to be having to adjust a lot of graphics settings to stay within the 12GB limit right off the bat if you want to play any of the latest games. With a 7900XT, you can leave everything at max and just adjust the render resolution as needed without worrying about Vram at all. Does having better upscaling justify having an 8GB deficit in Vram?

As for frame gen, you can do frame gen with FSR3 on any modern GPU, and there is Lossless Scaling on Steam which supports multi frame gen on any GPU as well, so I don't really see the 5000 series as having anything special as far as frame gen goes. The real-world scenarios where people will want to use 3x or 4x frame gen are going to be very limited.
 
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what an overpriced item, do not want
 
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man, your take is so myopic.

1. the 5070 beats 4070ti in quite a bit of situations
2. we have not sold a single 4000 series in a long time yet we are selling 5000 series like hotcakes
3. i have a list a mile long of customers waiting to buy 5070's

Lol, your take is a 180 from just about every review just about anywhere. Please do tell us all how a basically paper launch of a product equates to "selling like hotcakes"?
 
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Lol, your take is a 180 from just about every review just about anywhere. Please do tell us all how a basically paper launch of a product equates to "selling like hotcakes"?
Bro probably had stock of 1-2 cards = sold like hotcakes.
 
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man, your take is so myopic.

1. the 5070 beats 4070ti in quite a bit of situations
2. we have not sold a single 4000 series in a long time yet we are selling 5000 series like hotcakes
3. i have a list a mile long of customers waiting to buy 5070's
Why would someone take this s h i t GPU when they can take 3080 for cheap?
Or they prefer to take it for premium price because you charge premium for the old GPUs as well like some tard.
 
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