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Overclocking "Arrow Lake" - 285K, 265k, 245k etc results, bins and discussion
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Haha, probably in next gen I will have less luck.Hungary, the next world's superpower.
They have Peterbot, now Tibcsi0407...
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Doesnt matter , tuners worth is to maximise the given hardwares potential and achieve 100% of what it can do. Its not about max results because thats on the components bin quality.Haha, probably in next gen I will have less luck.
Its the pure skill and knowledge that matters and you do have both of them.
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That's true!
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I have my 285k profile fully tuned now. I was on edge with 57 pcores but the temps were just too high for my liking. Most likely can get comfortable tune if direct die with the Thermal Grizzly Micro. Past experience with DD = too much hassle with liquid metal so I will skip it and just downclock to 56 pcores.
Even at 56 pcores to spread the heat balance a bit, the ecores at 50 are really hot!! 92° on synthetic tests. I don't expect temps to reach this high for gaming, but it's giving me second thoughts to install the 265k again and do further testing with it. Luckily, both my 265k and 285k does not have the WHEA bug with Ecores over 1.20v.
Anyways, here is the tunings results on my 285k. So far I am retrain and reboot stable. Will need more days to determine if that's true a week, month from now. Side note, @Falkentyne CBR15 Extreme (5x run) test method is still good on this platform. It caught vcore instability early on to quickly determine the level of offset voltages needed.
56 P, 50 E, 40 R, 34 NGU, 36 D2D, 9000c38 Tuned
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Even at 56 pcores to spread the heat balance a bit, the ecores at 50 are really hot!! 92° on synthetic tests. I don't expect temps to reach this high for gaming, but it's giving me second thoughts to install the 265k again and do further testing with it. Luckily, both my 265k and 285k does not have the WHEA bug with Ecores over 1.20v.
Anyways, here is the tunings results on my 285k. So far I am retrain and reboot stable. Will need more days to determine if that's true a week, month from now. Side note, @Falkentyne CBR15 Extreme (5x run) test method is still good on this platform. It caught vcore instability early on to quickly determine the level of offset voltages needed.
56 P, 50 E, 40 R, 34 NGU, 36 D2D, 9000c38 Tuned
- 1.30v Pcores (offset adaptive)
- 1.26v Ecores (offset adaptive)
- 1.45v SA (fixed)
- 1.30v Ring (fixed)
- 0.82v VNNaON
- 1.0v NGU
- 1.50v VDD2
- 1.50v VDD2mv MRC
- 1.45v VDDQ MRC
- 1.54v VDD/Q Mem
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Ring Voltage feels too much. Mine wants 1.2V on 42X. You can reduce yours for sure. You will get less heat from high loads.
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Good to know, thank you! I will do more fine tuning. I tried 1.20 first and was not stable so I just bumped to 1.30. I agree, it should be able to lower a bit more.
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Maybe it was something else, maybe worth a try again, @Veii made some test from ring Voltage.Good to know, thank you! I will do more fine tuning. I tried 1.20 first and was not stable so I just bumped to 1.30. I agree, it should be able to lower a bit more.
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Nice tuning Chibi !
Direct die is way much more stable than 14th gen though that asked for frequent reapplications to keep the imc running on the edge.
Haven’t issues with the 285k at all and will make the cpu a joke to cool. I am using the default DLVR prediction of ~1,35 for both 56P and 50E and your cpu seems way better than mine , 57P will be as easy as its 56P for me , 58P will be very possible for you if you are willing to hit 1.4v+ territory.
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It's the v-color 9600 ckd kit. I have it downtuned to 9000c38 g2.
Don't temp me further on dd, I swore never again haha
I suspect so as well. During initial tuning, there was a lot going on so it may have been core instability roll over to ring. Now that a good baseline is established, can go into each and fine tune further. I will report back on the Ring voltage
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I also said that 100times with the 14th gen then delidded the 285k right before even using it !It's the v-color 9600 ckd kit. I have it downtuned to 9000c38.
Don't temp me further on dd, I swore never again haha
Stop lying to yourself and get ready for that blazing fast naked cpu! 😆
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Ring voltage can lower yes, however, not all stable. On R23 1.20v stable, R15 Extreme requires 1.27v. I will call it a win and take 1.27v over 1.30v
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NewGame+ for high heat
Ascend then delid, but comes with new challenges
Need to finish NG+ before reaching Ascend.
Took path of high thermal.
57-60°C PMIC/85-90°C IC temp & 95-100°C CPU
Somebody has to do it. Can't only rely on binning focused tuning
Low thermals then is a no-loss bonus.
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@chibi how is the SF1000 treating you
Got the ATX3.X version or pre 2024?
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Tried it with higher ring ratio (42x for instance)and low Voltage? It acts really strange sometimes.Ring voltage can lower yes, however, not all stable. On R23 1.20v stable, R15 Extreme requires 1.27v. I will call it a win and take 1.27v over 1.30v
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Can't comment on SF1000 2024 yet. My setup is currently on test bench with AX1600i. SF1000 will be used once NCASE M2 AC168 is released. Sooner, if I can secure 5090 FE stock. Then will go with regular M2. M2 AC168 will be needed if I secure AIB 5090 before FE. Setup is currently in limbo with placeholder 4070 GPU
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What is the AC168 version?Can't comment on SF1000 2024 yet. My setup is currently on test bench with AX1600i. SF1000 will be used once NCASE M2 AC168 is released. Sooner, if I can secure 5090 FE stock. Then will go with regular M2. M2 AC168 will be needed if I secure AIB 5090 before FE. Setup is currently in limbo with placeholder 4070 GPU
Hope it escapes fast limbo. Understood
What about another SFF case ?
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The AC168 version is wider than the regular M2 case. This is to accommodate 168mm cooler height. It will help with the big aib gpus. I really prefer the regular size M2, but in order to make that work I will need to get the FE 5090. Hard to press buy now before the bots get everything. So far, I missed all three FE drops in CanadaWhat is the AC168 version?
Hope it escapes fast limbo. Understood
What about another SFF case ?
Regarding other SFF cases, not really much that catch my eye. One thing I don't want is any sandwhich layout as I do not want to use riser cables. Bad experience in the past and would rather direct attach via standard layout.
M3 - Grater
Built on the legacy of the M1 Classic and M2, the M3 (previously called M2-AC168) continues NCASE’s commitment to precision-engineered SFF (small form factor) design — now with more flexibility and headroom. M3 supports Micro-ATX motherboards, 168mm air coolers like the Noctua NH-D15 G2, and...
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Have you heard of r/mffpc or Medium Form Factor? I would describe it like putting on stretchy pants, very comfortable and demur. fr tho, I like mATX cases for ITX boards. ASUS AP201, why not?!The AC168 version is wider than the regular M2 case. This is to accommodate 168mm cooler height. It will help with the big aib gpus. I really prefer the regular size M2, but in order to make that work I will need to get the FE 5090. Hard to press buy now before the bots get everything. So far, I missed all three FE drops in Canada
Regarding other SFF cases, not really much that catch my eye. One thing I don't want is any sandwhich layout as I do not want to use riser cables. Bad experience in the past and would rather direct attach via standard layout.
M3 - Grater
Built on the legacy of the M1 Classic and M2, the M3 (previously called M2-AC168) continues NCASE’s commitment to precision-engineered SFF (small form factor) design — now with more flexibility and headroom. M3 supports Micro-ATX motherboards, 168mm air coolers like the Noctua NH-D15 G2, and...
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UnderstoodThe AC168 version is wider than the regular M2 case. This is to accommodate 168mm cooler height. It will help with the big aib gpus. I really prefer the regular size M2, but in order to make that work I will need to get the FE 5090. Hard to press buy now before the bots get everything. So far, I missed all three FE drops in Canada
Regarding other SFF cases, not really much that catch my eye. One thing I don't want is any sandwhich layout as I do not want to use riser cables. Bad experience in the past and would rather direct attach via standard layout.
M3 - Grater
Built on the legacy of the M1 Classic and M2, the M3 (previously called M2-AC168) continues NCASE’s commitment to precision-engineered SFF (small form factor) design — now with more flexibility and headroom. M3 supports Micro-ATX motherboards, 168mm air coolers like the Noctua NH-D15 G2, and...
Thank you.It didnt exist when i was looking for the Grater edition.
Many many people pick the original T1 2.0.
Frankly, i'm not sure if PCI riser stability requires a case change.
There are many many risers out there. But indeed i get the concept and reason.
Just not sure if you'll ever find SFF without those requirements ~ as GPUs are tall but thin.
It wastes space and heats up RAM, oriented that way.
McPrue S 4.0 The Astral can fit.
Yes, all other ones are with risers
Actually Deepcool CH260 / CH270 Digital
// Sometimes moves as Shiny Snake S300 or Deepcool CH160
We wanted this as its a cheap box (70-80USD) and would have let budget for watercooling
But decided to try something new and fully went personalized CNC'd Box for 200$.
Should be an Artpiece & producer kept everything i set up for him 8-9 years ago till today.
Soo due all that type or respect and value. Changed plans to leave him another artpiece
May not be always in EU to manage & common folks or Art folks does not care too much about Tech.
It should just work, be reliable and look good
Take a look at CaseEnd it's updated weekly.
AKLLA A4pro+ looked like a close option matching T1 build quality (2.0, not 2.1 branch)
AKLLA A6 seems to recently exist as mATX box without risers.
SFFHub discord is huge for such and many manufactures and representatives are there.
Yes , check out the site and pick something. If help is needed i can assist slightly
But i think it would make more sense to leave the past be past and just be more strict about risers quality
You miss out on a huge independent case market.
The Astral can fit.Yes, all other ones are with risers
Actually Deepcool CH260 / CH270 Digital
// Sometimes moves as Shiny Snake S300 or Deepcool CH160
We wanted this as its a cheap box (70-80USD) and would have let budget for watercooling
But decided to try something new and fully went personalized CNC'd Box for 200$.
Should be an Artpiece & producer kept everything i set up for him 8-9 years ago till today.
Soo due all that type or respect and value. Changed plans to leave him another artpiece
May not be always in EU to manage & common folks or Art folks does not care too much about Tech.
It should just work, be reliable and look good
Take a look at CaseEnd it's updated weekly.
AKLLA A4pro+ looked like a close option matching T1 build quality (2.0, not 2.1 branch)
AKLLA A6 seems to recently exist as mATX box without risers.
SFFHub discord is huge for such and many manufactures and representatives are there.
Yes , check out the site and pick something. If help is needed i can assist slightly
But i think it would make more sense to leave the past be past and just be more strict about risers quality
You miss out on a huge independent case market.
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Yes, this might be the case. It was year 2016 when I had Lian Li PC-O6SX case with the new riser cable feature for vertical gpu mount. At the time, the case was new and unique. However, I don't think the riser technology was as good as it is today. I experience a lot of gpu related issues that went away when plugged gpu into pcie slot directly. Since then, I never tried riser tech againFrankly, i'm not sure if PCI riser stability requires a case change.
There are many many risers out there. But indeed i get the concept and reason.
But i think it would make more sense to leave the past be past and just be more strict about risers quality
As for ITX case today, the only other one I am interested in is Caselabs S3. But those are too hard to source in good condition these days.
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