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Hey Guys, I think I narrowed it down to being the RAM slots.. I put the memory into slots A1, B1 and it booted normally. I put them back in slots A2,B2 and I get the boot issue.. so it looks like I might need to RMA the board..
Well, that is a bit of a pain, but at least you identified the issue. It sounded like everything you were doing was correct, good sleuthing.
 
Usually slots A1/B1 should be populated first. The manual has a section mentioning that though I haven't looked at this mobo's manual. So it may not be a mobo issue. Just how things are.
well not sure where you heard that from but going back as long as I can remeber since the iSeries came out it has been A2/B2 1st. here is from the manual:

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Hello
I'm glad that i found this.
optimizing my new 285K with the Aorus Elite x Ice Board.
Someone played with the LLC and DC LL and AC LL?
(With an 13700k on a Asus Board was easy, LLC 4 / DC auto and AC at 0.19 for perfect Settings)

Now with the Gigabyte Board, the lowest ist 76, on AUTO it was 78 for both.
So where to Start?
LLC Low ist what at DC LL?

Tested a little bit and now this:
Currently at LLC Low / DC 100 and AC LL 95
P Cores Standard and E Cores 48

Gives me 24xx/ 42100 for CB R23 at 240 Watt (stock about 40300 Points)

I dont want max. OC, only a little bit more performance with less Power draw
 
Hey Guys, I think I narrowed it down to being the RAM slots.. I put the memory into slots A1, B1 and it booted normally. I put them back in slots A2,B2 and I get the boot issue.. so it looks like I might need to RMA the board..
if only using two RAM sticks, the board has a preferred configuration is which the RAM is to be installed. Suggest you visit the owner's manual for proper RAM installation with just 2 sticks.

In short it may not be anything but proper installation of RAM.
 
Discussion starter · #166 · (Edited)
Hello
I'm glad that i found this.
optimizing my new 285K with the Aorus Elite x Ice Board.
Someone played with the LLC and DC LL and AC LL?
(With an 13700k on a Asus Board was easy, LLC 4 / DC auto and AC at 0.19 for perfect Settings)

Now with the Gigabyte Board, the lowest ist 76, on AUTO it was 78 for both.
So where to Start?
LLC Low ist what at DC LL?

Tested a little bit and now this:
Currently at LLC Low / DC 100 and AC LL 95
P Cores Standard and E Cores 48

Gives me 24xx/ 42100 for CB R23 at 240 Watt (stock about 40300 Points)

I dont want max. OC, only a little bit more performance with less Power draw
Hi!
I haven't played with exact configuring LLC values - so I am not sure. You can post this same question in this thread.

I use the built-in options:

Advance Voltage Settings
in CPU/VRM Settings
- CPU DLVRin Vcore Loadline Calibration - Ultra Extreme

Setting above the default to - Ultra Extreme will configure LCC for you based on predefined values. I have not tested all of these, I just selected the one that gave the most headroom.

On Asus boards, these selections are numbered - like Load Line Calibration 6 etc.
Gigabyte names them now. So I think 6 8 = Ultra Extreme, I think?
 
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if only using two RAM sticks, the board has a preferred configuration is which the RAM is to be installed. Suggest you visit the owner's manual for proper RAM installation with just 2 sticks.

In short it may not be anything but proper installation of RAM.

I have the correct slots Please see post #163..
 
Ultra Extrem makes your Vdrop flat, thats not really for daily use 🤔

My next question: Is there a setting, maybe hidden, for adaptive voltage separately for p and e Cores?
I see only one possibilty for all cores...

I want an -0,060V Offset for the p cores and nothing for the e cores.
 
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Discussion starter · #169 ·
Ultra Extrem makes your Vdrop flat, thats not really for daily use 🤔

My next question: Is there a setting, maybe hidden, for adaptive voltage separately for p and e Cores?
I see only one possibilty for all cores...

I want an -0,060V Offset for the p cores and nothing for the e cores.
Yeah, LLC 4 would be better for daily.


There are 5 options under Vcore Voltage Mode in the bios - Auto, Single Vcore, Adaptive Vcore, Override Vcore and Fixed Vcore.

I am currently doing Single Vcore - and selecting Adaptive individually for each core. See here.

I tested Override as well, but not Adaptive or Fixed. What is the difference between Adaptive Vcore and Single Vcore with Adaptive set? Not sure/haven't tested.

Still learning the bios - as the there is little documentation and the Asus documentation uses different terminology.
 
What would be your recommended daily Gigabyte LLC profile?
For a normal PC, AUTO/LOW/Middle maybe High
It depends what you want... Heavy max. OC or more fps with less power

High LLC = more Voltage = more Heat = more Power = maybe more stability for OC

Edit: Im not sure what it is. In CB R23 testing
With LLC at LOW the P Cores peak at 1,30V > POUT 260 Watt
With LLC at High the P Cores peak at 1,25V > POUT 263 Watt

With my understanding of LLC, it should be the opposite 🤨🤔

I am currently doing Single Vcore - and selecting Adaptive individually for each core
Hm i should look for it again, i think i saw only options for the P Cores?
Ok i saw it, really interesting. Have to test it 😯

And yeah, the Intel Gigabyte Bios is kinda weird, bad names for things, bad explanations
The GB Bios for my 9800X3D is better and the voltage optimization is easier
 
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For a normal PC, AUTO/LOW/Middle maybe High
It depends what you want... Heavy max. OC or more fps with less power

High LLC = more Voltage = more Heat = more Power = maybe more stability for OC

Edit: Im not sure what it is. In CB R23 testing
With LLC at LOW the P Cores peak at 1,30V > POUT 260 Watt
With LLC at High the P Cores peak at 1,25V > POUT 263 Watt

With my understanding of LLC, it should be the opposite 🤨🤔


Hm i should look for it again, i think i saw only options for the P Cores?
Ok i saw it, really interesting. Have to test it 😯

And yeah, the Intel Gigabyte Bios is kinda weird, bad names for things, bad explanations
The GB Bios for my 9800X3D is better and the voltage optimization is easier
The options for Single Vcore should be available for both P and E.
Select Single Vcore
This will make a menu choice available directly below that will take you to new page (forget wording)
Select Manual for each core
You can select Fixed or SVID Adaptive - I use SVID Adaptive
You can set the voltages for the cores here. I leave P on Auto and set E to 1.245 or 1.250v for an OC ratio of 50 for example.
The above settings correspond to XTU directly -
  • where Voltage Mode = Fixed or SVID Adaptive
  • where Voltage Override = 1.245 or 1.250v (for E cores)

The Active Turbo Ratios in Bios corresponds to the Per Core Tuning Ratios in XTU
The Core Active Ratios in Bios corresponds to the Active-Core Tuning Ratios in XTU

XTU allows granular ratios for the Per Core Tuning Ratios - i.e. 50.33x
In the bios this is under Granular Ratios - have not played with there, only in XTU.

The LCC of Auto will cause instability with basic overclocking, so it needs to be bumped up. The Ultra Extreme I got from a Youtuber when the Master first became available. Still sorting out P cores and trying to implement Skatterbenchers OC example, so haven't dialed it down.
 
Discussion starter · #173 · (Edited)
I think the default voltage for E cores is good up to a ratio of 48. Bumping up voltage does yield better benches, even if it is stable with it at default. The Aorus boards are really forgiving compared to the Asus - where if you go too high or too low there you get bsods. Aorus doesn't burp. Except for LCC at auto when you have changed ratios and voltages or OC'd ram. Downside with a forgiving board, is that it is harder to tell if you are doing something wrong when it doesn't yell at you.
 
Discussion starter · #174 ·
I am going to try to apply Skatterbenchers's OC - and trying to get the Asus settings translated to Gigabyte.

My current OC - while not ideal, outperforms and underperforms depending.
My P-cores are still not tuned properly.


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CB R24 i got 149/2466 Points
quiet Aircooled with standard Intel Perf. and only AC/DC LL setting LLC low
 
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Discussion starter · #176 ·
CB R24 i got 149/2466 Points
quiet Aircooled with standard Intel Perf. and only AC/DC LL setting LLC low
I have integrated graphics powering a small monitor screen. It might be eating at my P Core performance - beyond tuning issues. I just consistently underperform in CB24 and 23.
 
Discussion starter · #177 ·
Vcore Voltage Modes


Vcore Voltage Mode
- Override
  • Internal CPU Vcore -
  • Internal CPU Vcore Offset -
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Vcore Voltage Mode - Fixed
  • CPU DLVRin Vcore -
  • Dynamic Vcore (DVID) -
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Vcore Voltage Mode - Adaptive
  • VF Point Offset Mode - Legacy or Selection
  • Selection -
  • Internal CPU Vcore
  • VF Point Offsets
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Vcore Voltage Mode - Single Core
  • Manual
  • Fixed or SVID Adaptive -
(for P Cores - setting Voltage to 0.6v forces default to auto, you can also set Auto)
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Discussion starter · #178 ·
Vcore Voltage Modes


Vcore Voltage Mode - Override
  • Internal CPU Vcore -
  • Internal CPU Vcore Offset -
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Vcore Voltage Mode - Fixed
  • CPU DLVRin Vcore -
  • Dynamic Vcore (DVID) -
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Vcore Voltage Mode - Adaptive
  • VF Point Offset Mode - Legacy or Selection
  • Selection -
  • Internal CPU Vcore
  • VF Point Offsets
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Vcore Voltage Mode - Single Core
  • Manual
  • Fixed or SVID Adaptive -
(for P Cores - setting Voltage to 0.6v forces default to auto, you can also set Auto)
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Asus settings do not 100% correspond. Skatterbencher sets V/F Point offsets per P Core groups. I am not sure if that is the same as setting DVID in the Single Core Adaptive.
 
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Hey All,

OK I thought I had it but the XMP Profile was not loaded but when it wasn't it booted normal even with an OC on the CPU. So now I need to find out which setting is for the Memory voltage then I can set the manual volts..

Getting closer.
 
Discussion starter · #180 ·
DRAM Voltages

There are 2 places where you can set voltages.
The first is at CPU level. This gives you headroom for auto configured XMP.

Here I upped my VDDQ, VDD2, VccIO and VccClk. I needed VccIO higher due to bsods. Unclear if VccClk was needed.
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The righthand column shows 1.100v, but HWInfo shows live voltages.


The second is under DRAM Voltages.
For bios F16c and lower - auto worked fine with the above voltages set.
F16 final has XMP/DDR5 Booster issues.
I had to set VDD and VDDQ here for my ram to post rather than auto.

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It will show you the live voltage in the second column from right in the 2nd image. The 1.100v in the 3rd column from right is the default?

So my kit is 1.45v @ 8200 Mhz. I am overclocking it to 8600Mhz, so I am bumping it up to VDD 1.5v and setting VDDQ to 1.45v in the second image. The CPU VDDQ/VDD2 I set in the 1st image supplies more current to the rail to allow the second settings to be bumped up. Auto should work - but doesn't.

CPU System Agent also has to be bumped up - you DO NOT have to have as high as I do. 1.3v to 1.45v should be good for most overclocking.

At least, I think this is the way it works. Corrections welcome.
 
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