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I think thats interesting that claw/finger is way worse than palm grip in recoil control
Im saying about high recoil control.. Example dayofdefeat1.3/source or like rambo in cs..
I was a very good heavy(high recoil guns) in dod but i used deathadder.. With salmosa/abyssus/wmo/ninox is harder as hell to have the same control i had in dod..

And plus i saw only players with rival/da/at least sensei to have good control at cs(proplayers)

What mice would be the best shape style for best control?
 
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No problems handling recoil in CS:GO/CoD4 with my Zowie EC2 eVo, pretty much the same shape as my DeathAdder Black Edition was. Never had any claw grip gaming mice tho so I can't compare them.
 
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I also figured this out. For me it's way easier to be consistant with my deathadder then with my G100s or Ninox Aurora. The low-weight small mice may FEEL great, but because they are so light and small they are way harder to control.
 
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I've switched between IME 3.0 and WMO, with the smaller and lighter WMO I have to use lower sensitivity and obviously move the mouse more to be as accurate. For now I prefer the playstyle with the bigger ergonomic IME 3.0 and a higher sensitivity, especially in aim heavy games like CS:GO where I use around 40-45cm/360 sensitivity with the IME. In more movement focused games like Quakelive I do as well with both mice but I prefer the playstyle of IME with around 30cm/360 there. With WMO in Quakelive I used around 40cm/360.

Different mouse + sensitivity combos work better with some weapons than others imo. In Quakelive I hit somewhat more railgun shots(hitscan "sniper") with IME and higher sensitivity but I hit slightly more Lightning gun(hitscan tracking) with WMO and lower sensitivity.

In the end I think it's just a matter of getting a mouse you really like and finding a sensitivity that works for you with it. Personally I would like to try a lighter mouse with IME 3.0 shape, I like the low weight of smaller mice but they aren't as comfortable to use due to the size.
 
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Depends on whether or not you're perfect. A mouse like a fingertip grip mouse (think LMO, MiCO)would theoretically be the best, because they introduce more ways to move the mouse. Those new ways seem to complicate things for most people. Palm eliminates fingertip grip type movements.

I want to elaborate. I mean fingertip grip mouse in the idea that finger tip grip mice allow for the most movement. I think that there is room for improvement among fingertip grip mice.

I think this is akin to the anchored putter in golf.
 
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MaximilianKohler mentioned this in some posts already.

The more contact you have with your mouse (fingertips+fingers+palm) the more control you have in your movements. The only downside would be less agility, for example for vertical movements, especially when your arm is kinda "stuck" on the blank table because it is kinda sticky. But if you can manage to avoid that issue (for example wristband or a 2nd mousepad for the arm) then it's just a thing of getting used to doing vertical movements and finding the right sensitivity. In the end you have more control with a good palm grip.

I'm only having trouble at the moment to find a good palm mouse besides the IME3.0.
There aren't many, Naos 7000 being one of them.

I cannot palm a FK1, G100S or WMO for too long (an hour or so), because then my hand/fingers start to cramp and it gets painful.
 
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I agree that spray control is one of the few disadvantages to a claw grip style. Now when you ask which mice would accommodate better spray control, I'm not sure it will matter that much if it would continue to promote the use of a claw grip and you don't tweak your spray technique with it. There's basically three ways you could go about improving your spray control:

1) Try raising your sensitivity if you are a low sens player. Most of the CS:GO pros who are renowned for their world-class spray control tend to play at what I would consider to be a high sensitivity, 3.5 - 5 in-game @ 400 DPI. It's just easier to track people in combination with managing recoil when you don't have to pull half way down your mouse pad to do so.

2) Actually alter how exactly you go about pulling down on the mouse during sprays. As a low-sens claw-grip user, I found myself tending to combat recoil by kind of cocking my wrist and almost like using my fingers to pull down and adjust sprays. This is unlike how I controlled the mouse in any other situation (I think it was caused by pressing down on the mouse too much while I held down M1). When I realized that quirk, I practiced spraying by pulling down for recoil with just a straight wrist and light pressure like I normally use, and sprays felt much more effortless and smooth. So just try to pay close attention to exactly how you are manipulating the mouse for spraying and recoil, since it's something you would typically never think about, to make sure you don't have a weird quirk like I did with my mouse control.

3) Get a mouse that is made for palm grip and try to change. In my eyes, spray control is one of it's main (but few) advantages over claw grip. I've always been interested in claw mice exclusively, so I'd be at a loss as to a good specific recommendation for a palm-grip mouse.
 
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Originally Posted by detto87 View Post

MaximilianKohler mentioned this in some posts already.

The more contact you have with your mouse (fingertips+fingers+palm) the more control you have in your movements. The only downside would be less agility, for example for vertical movements, especially when your arm is kinda "stuck" on the blank table because it is kinda sticky. But if you can manage to avoid that issue (for example wristband or a 2nd mousepad for the arm) then it's just a thing of getting used to doing vertical movements and finding the right sensitivity. In the end you have more control with a good palm grip.

I'm only having trouble at the moment to find a good palm mouse besides the IME3.0.
There aren't many, Naos 7000 being one of them.

I cannot palm a FK1, G100S or WMO for too long (an hour or so), because then my hand/fingers start to cramp and it gets painful.
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I used to think that I was a claw grip user, but after getting the Avior 7000 I realized how wrong I was. I used to palm the Sensei/XAI and had a DA before that. Kinzu/Kana v2/Abyssus cramped my hands pretty much, but the low weight was really refreshing from all the 100g mice. What I noticed when using the Kinzu was that I could hit shots very accurately mid air, and some flick shots which I could never do with my DA(this was long ago).

My only gripe with the Avior now is the shape, even though it seemed perfect for me at 1st. Sensor performance(atleast for me) is amazing.
 
Discussion starter · #9 ·
Ergonomic or ambi bigsize shape?
I think ill try sensei raw.. I dont care about accel if thats the only issue on sensor
Or if ergonomic the kpm

Instead of sensei the maikelele's mice 3090 same shape
 
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This was my main issue with the old Abyssus/Salmosa. Excessive V shape gave less stability for recoil control. Zowie FK mitigates this by having the slightly more V shaped shell in the middle imo, the front and back of the mouse give you more stability.
 
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well i used to be like top~3 heavy .. And ofc without macro etc.. And from very very long distance spray perfectly with BARrifle which is heavyyy recoil.. I tried everything/every sensitivity/m_yaw/m_pitch and nothing seens to remake my palm aim on recoil..

If you dont agree playing cs... Cs is easy and not a real example
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This was my main issue with the old Abyssus/Salmosa. Excessive V shape gave less stability for recoil control. Zowie FK mitigates this by having the slightly more V shaped shell in the middle imo, the front and back of the mouse give you more stability.
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Would you please explain to me what is meant with this "V shape"? It's really foreign to me for some reason though I'm sure it's somewhat obvious. I just remember on the Zowie website them wittering on and on about \V////////////////////////// grip versus \\\\\\\\\\\\\\V/ grip or something and I had no idea what they were on about.
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well i used to be like top~3 heavy .. And ofc without macro etc.. And from very very long distance spray perfectly with BARrifle which is heavyyy recoil.. I tried everything/every sensitivity/m_yaw/m_pitch and nothing seens to remake my palm aim on recoil..

If you dont agree playing cs... Cs is easy and not a real example
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Wat bout Negev tho?
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\ / -shape Xai, Kana, IE3.0

/ \ -shape WMO, IO1.1

On topic: Shape and weight won't make your recoil better, tons of practice will.
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Most of the CS:GO pros who are renowned for their world-class spray control tend to play at what I would consider to be a high sensitivity, 3.5 - 5 in-game @ 400 DPI. It's just easier to track people in combination with managing recoil when you don't have to pull half way down your mouse pad to do so.
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Top level players have different sensitivities, grips and mice and all of them are good at spraying. World's best players Shoxie has 46/360 with claw, dupreeh 80/360 with claw.
 
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On topic: Shape and weight won't make your recoil better, tons of practice will.
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My issue was mainly that I would move my hands and fingers as I would usually do on the Salmosa/Abyssus but I would get this "toppling over" effect halfway through my recoil control, the V shape was making me bend the mouse in an angle.

No doubt with practice this would go away, but it wasn't something desirable, especially when other mice offered shapes I liked more.

Then again the Salmosa/Abyssys and some other old Razer mice were always very extreme imo with the V like shape, something which I never truly liked. NINOX Aurora is also a V'ish shape, but it's within reason.
 
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Thats no practicing issue to me.. I can always control perfectly if i use a da.. But no matter how i practice with salmosa asian (finger claw) i will never control properly
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this doesn't really make sense. it's like saying when I open paint there are very simple patterns that are impossible for me to draw. if your mouse has 5 dpi, and is incredibly uncomfortable--to the point is causes pain-- then i'll buy that it effects your recoil control, but obviously it's effecting many more things than just that.
 
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I don't buy the claim that claw or finger tip grip is worse for recoil control than palm. Maybe it's just you because for me palm grip is worse for all forms of mouse control when compared to other grips.
 
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I don't buy the claim that claw or finger tip grip is worse for recoil control than palm. Maybe it's just you because for me palm grip is worse for all forms of mouse control when compared to other grips.
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Claw and fingertip grips give you more freedom of motion and more control.


Derp's 7777 get approves!
 
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