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looking to install the Accelero Xtreme III heatsink on a 1080 ti in combination with two 120mm fans to direct exhaust in my SFF build.

i was looking into the noctua f12, a12, deltas, or vardars.



which of these would work best with a heatsink?
 
Are you looking to replace the Accelero's stock fans with the given options? Or will those be used as case fans?
Deltas and Vardars are industrial fans, so they are all about performance (airflow and sp) and nothing about noise. They have "bad" sound profiles, so even at their lowest speeds they will sound disruptive.
It depends on what you are after, but personally I wouldn't use neither Deltas nor Vardars for a home PC build.
 
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GT noise profiles are a nice soft hum, but SilentWing 3's would probably be the best bet.
Are you looking to replace the Accelero's stock fans with the given options? Or will those be used as case fans?
Deltas and Vardars are industrial fans, so they are all about performance (airflow and sp) and nothing about noise. They have "bad" sound profiles, so even at their lowest speeds they will sound disruptive.
It depends on what you are after, but personally I wouldn't use neither Deltas nor Vardars for a home PC build.

both, they'll be exhausting directly out of the case. heres an example.


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the industrial fans are noisier, but they have more range as far as rpm which im guessing is good ?

im basically trying to keep the 1080ti under 70c, and get as much hot air out so the 8700k can be somewhat cooled by the u9s (top 92mm fan intake, bottom two 120mm exhaust)

this is in the Ncase m1
 
both, they'll be exhausting directly out of the case. heres an example.


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the industrial fans are noisier, but they have more range as far as rpm which im guessing is good ?

im basically trying to keep the 1080ti under 70c, and get as much hot air out so the 8700k can be somewhat cooled by the u9s (top 92mm fan intake, bottom two 120mm exhaust)

this is in the Ncase m1
For 2x 120mm fans' worth of airflow out bottom and 1x 120mm fan's airflow out back you need 3x 120mm fans' worth of intake airflow. So where is the cool air for coolers coming from?

I would experiment with side top and bottom vents and rear as exhaust. You don't need all exhaust vents to have fans. Good pressure rated intakes will flow air into, through and out of case no problem.
I'm guessing best setup will be with bottom as intakes into Accelero (all PCIe slot covers removed .. think they are with 2x slot GPU), and 1x side vent intake supplying cool air to CPU cooler. You might find this link to how airflow works and how to optimize case airflow of interest. It also shows a simple low-cost way to monitor case airflow temps into coolers.
https://www.overclock.net/forum/22319249-post5.html
 
For 2x 120mm fans' worth of airflow out bottom and 1x 120mm fan's airflow out back you need 3x 120mm fans' worth of intake airflow. So where is the cool air for coolers coming from?

I would experiment with side top and bottom vents and rear as exhaust. You don't need all exhaust vents to have fans. Good pressure rated intakes will flow air into, through and out of case no problem.
I'm guessing best setup will be with bottom as intakes into Accelero (all PCIe slot covers removed .. think they are with 2x slot GPU), and 1x side vent intake supplying cool air to CPU cooler. You might find this link to how airflow works and how to optimize case airflow of interest. It also shows a simple low-cost way to monitor case airflow temps into coolers.
https://www.overclock.net/forum/22319249-post5.html
You dont need to match like for like(intake vs out).
If you have more air being pulled out, then you will create negative pressure in the case, and it will pull air from wherever it can. Ideally a mesh somewhere or some vents but I like the idea, get the hot air out. Should work pretty well.
As for fans, i have some deltas in my server rack.....THEY ARE LOUD. Think a few db off a vacuum cleaner. I have 10 running in my rack and its definitely way louder then a vacuum cleaner.
If the case is going to be in the basement or similar, fine. If its going to be anywhere near a living area, HELL NO!!! :p
Go with other alternatives.
 
You dont need to match like for like(intake vs out).
If you have more air being pulled out, then you will create negative pressure in the case, and it will pull air from wherever it can. Ideally a mesh somewhere or some vents but I like the idea, get the hot air out. Should work pretty well.
As for fans, i have some deltas in my server rack.....THEY ARE LOUD. Think a few db off a vacuum cleaner. I have 10 running in my rack and its definitely way louder then a vacuum cleaner.
If the case is going to be in the basement or similar, fine. If its going to be anywhere near a living area, HELL NO!!! :p
Go with other alternatives.
You don't know what you think you do or you are leaving some very critical details out of your airflow claim

Maximum case airflow is the lessor of the two; intake area versus exhaust area and fans.

Case intake airflow equalizes to the exact same amount as case exhaust airflow / case exhaust airflow is the exact same amount as case intake airflow.

It is simple physics. And remember, airflow is fluid dynamics .. meaning flowing air is very much like flowing water. What comes in must go out / what goes out must come i .. same in as out. But the maximum volume of airflow is determined by the smaller of the two. If case only has 2x intake vents with or without fans and 4 exhaust vents with or without fans then the maximum amount of airflow the case will have is what the 2x intake vents can flow. The 4x exhaust cannot flow any more than that .and a little that is leaking in elsewhere .. but additional leaks rarely amount to even 1/4th of what a single 120mm vent can flow. Even using your extreme pressure rated server fans your system is still bound by physics. :p
 
I'm guessing best setup will be with bottom as intakes into Accelero (all PCIe slot covers removed .. think they are with 2x slot GPU), and 1x side vent intake supplying cool air to CPU cooler. You might find this link to how airflow works and how to optimize case airflow of interest. It also shows a simple low-cost way to monitor case airflow temps into coolers.
https://www.overclock.net/forum/22319249-post5.html
Slight probem with this case :), especially the version with the glass on the side instead of mesh, is that there is no PCIe slot covers to remove, there's nothing around the gpu that can be removed, and that makes running intake fans from bottom into the gpu push insane amounts of hot air from the gpu into the rest of the case and or the PSU depending on it's orientation.
The only thing there is a small hole above the screws to secure the gpu, that's the only place air can come out.

This is all assuming a hot high-temperature running extreme heat generating huge length-width-depth 1080Ti is used.

The gpu backplate is making matters worse, preventing heat from going away from the card, and making everything hotter. There's no point whatsoever in using one especially in this situation where the card not flexing and sitting nicely on the bottom fans.

In my opinion no.1 problem with a setup like this is gpu backplate, just get rid of it, 2nd if u don't use the glass side panel, you can setup the fans in a ok way. however with a glass side panel, there's so little options, the best way would be bottom fans as exhaust from the accelero, and all other fans as intake. intake on the back into the CPU heatsink, and all fans on the heatsink as intake, and intake on the top into the heatsink, and next to it.
 
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The airflow that has best recomended by owners of this case is rear intake and bottom exhaust. Thinking maybe i can get the psu to intake a lil as well.

Im just looking for the bottom fans as the rear is 92mm not 120.

Would the new A12s prob be the best at pushing out the most heast from the heatsink

Edit: its an evga 1080ti sc, so not long and people in the m1 forum have gotten their 1080tis to 70c or cooler with the accelero mod

Yes i have the window on my build
 
Slight probem with this case :), especially the version with the glass on the side instead of mesh, is that there is no PCIe slot covers to remove, there's nothing around the gpu that can be removed, and that makes running intake fans from bottom into the gpu push insane amounts of hot air from the gpu into the rest of the case and or the PSU depending on it's orientation.
The only thing there is a small hole above the screws to secure the gpu, that's the only place air can come out.

This is all assuming a hot high-temperature running extreme heat generating huge length-width-depth 1080Ti is used.

The gpu backplate is making matters worse, preventing heat from going away from the card, and making everything hotter. There's no point whatsoever in using one especially in this situation where the card not flexing and sitting nicely on the bottom fans.

In my opinion no.1 problem with a setup like this is gpu backplate, just get rid of it, 2nd if u don't use the glass side panel, you can setup the fans in a ok way. however with a glass side panel, there's so little options, the best way would be bottom fans as exhaust from the accelero, and all other fans as intake. intake on the back into the CPU heatsink, and all fans on the heatsink as intake, and intake on the top into the heatsink, and next to it.
I can understand how having GPU venting as exhaust with not case side venting.

Trying to cool a high TDP GPU is going to be problematic even in the best of cases (no pun) and this one is definitely not one of the best designs for high heat components.

Maybe with lots of experimentation it can be kept cool, but I suspect noise under heavy load is going to be a problem as well.

The airflow that has best recomended by owners of this case is rear intake and bottom exhaust. Thinking maybe i can get the psu to intake a lil as well.

Im just looking for the bottom fans as the rear is 92mm not 120.

Would the new A12s prob be the best at pushing out the most heast from the heatsink

Edit: its an evga 1080ti sc, so not long and people in the m1 forum have gotten their 1080tis to 70c or cooler with the accelero mod

Yes i have the window on my build
Lengthen case feet so there is 40mm between bottom of case and what it is setting on (even more is better) to increase airflow area to/from bottom vents. Below is link to why more space between bottom venting and what case is seating on helps.
https://www.overclock.net/photopost/data/1363915/3/3d/3d307aac_IntakesBottomClearance.x-ms-bmp
 
I don't know what this chassis is, may have been mentioned further down perhaps?
Either way you mention additional fans on top (albeit without showing them), so assuming i haven't misunderstood?

- Remove the 'exhaust' Redux fan.
- Make your CPU blower a proper push-pull. No, not because you'll gain 2Cs, but because you want it as close to the 'exhaust' grill.
- Make the CPU blower's direction the opposite of what it usually is, is taking air from outside (the back) and blowing it forward/inward.
- Reverse flow on the GPU fans, have them suck fresh air from below/outside and blow it inside the chassis.
- You will have higher temps in VRM, that SSD, etc., but lower ones on CPU and GPU.
- No exhaust fan. Assuming i got you right, it will all leave out the top on its own.
At least this way you won't be starved for air, which you will be if you try to do it the right way; just not what this case was designed for, you'd need more airflow than it could ever allow you.

Mind you, it's dumb having hot air in. Goes without saying. But if you just have to keep that.. thing, and keep your components at respectable levels, well, i guess it's what i'd do. Again though, you're meant to be doing it the opposite way. Or by keeping this chassis, at least ensuring you're not taxing it. Barring any overclocks, the temperature rise in secondary components should remain at a minimum.

A correction to a certain expert above, the Vardars are not "industrial" fans :)
Now as to what you should pick.. depends really. I'd keep the Arctic ones if noise was an issue, no dilemma. I'd replace them with 3 Notcua 92s if it wasn't. Significantly higher performance.
( am talking about these: https://noctua.at/en/products/fan/nf-a9-pwm )
* Note however that if you do choose to switch fans, ghetto modding may be required.
 
Unless you raise up the case a few more cm from the ground, having those bottom fans as exhaust will do no good. Even if they were high speed Deltas. As doyll pointed out, figure out a way to lift up the case a bit. This will work for both intake and exhaust bottom fans.
 
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No need to need to raise a chassis if its bottom fans are exhaust.
Obviously you have never done this, because people who have raised their cases so there is 40-50mm bottom clearance know how it improves airflow to bottom vents.

@ gree If you really want to improve airflow through limited venting, removing case grills will almost double the airflow while lowering noise at same time.
 
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Obviously you have never done this, because people who have raised their cases so there is 40-50mm bottom clearance know how it improves airflow to bottom vents.

@ gree If you really want to improve airflow through limited venting, removing case grills will almost double the airflow while lowering noise at same time.
Yeah the manufacture offers raised feet
Which case grills

Also this case has its on forum on here in the sff, airflow is alrdy sorted just needed advise on the fan choice but their thread is kind of inactive

I don't know what this chassis is, may have been mentioned further down perhaps?
Either way you mention additional fans on top (albeit without showing them), so assuming i haven't misunderstood?

- Remove the 'exhaust' Redux fan.
- Make your CPU blower a proper push-pull. No, not because you'll gain 2Cs, but because you want it as close to the 'exhaust' grill.
- Make the CPU blower's direction the opposite of what it usually is, is taking air from outside (the back) and blowing it forward/inward.
- Reverse flow on the GPU fans, have them suck fresh air from below/outside and blow it inside the chassis.
- You will have higher temps in VRM, that SSD, etc., but lower ones on CPU and GPU.
- No exhaust fan. Assuming i got you right, it will all leave out the top on its own.
At least this way you won't be starved for air, which you will be if you try to do it the right way; just not what this case was designed for, you'd need more airflow than it could ever allow you.

Mind you, it's dumb having hot air in. Goes without saying. But if you just have to keep that.. thing, and keep your components at respectable levels, well, i guess it's what i'd do. Again though, you're meant to be doing it the opposite way. Or by keeping this chassis, at least ensuring you're not taxing it. Barring any overclocks, the temperature rise in secondary components should remain at a minimum.

A correction to a certain expert above, the Vardars are not "industrial" fans :)
Now as to what you should pick.. depends really. I'd keep the Arctic ones if noise was an issue, no dilemma. I'd replace them with 3 Notcua 92s if it wasn't. Significantly higher performance.
( am talking about these: https://noctua.at/en/products/fan/nf-a9-pwm )
* Note however that if you do choose to switch fans, ghetto modding may be required.
Its the ncase m1
Yes it pulls out of the rear intake
The artic fans dont fit, theres 3 fans. Exhaust only fits 2x 120s
3-92s would need an adapter
 
Even if the fans are set to exhaust, having that extra clearance will prevent any significant blowback. And also reduce noise rather noticeably.


Anyway, about the case from OP. If it has top fan mounts maybe try using those as exhaust, with the bottom as intake. That is, provided you can change the orientation of the CPU heatsink.
 
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Even if the fans are set to exhaust, having that extra clearance will prevent any significant blowback. And also reduce noise rather noticeably.


Anyway, about the case from OP. If it has top fan mounts maybe try using those as exhaust, with the bottom as intake. That is, provided you can change the orientation of the CPU heatsink.
My topic was just asking what fans are better lol

Airflow and all that is alrdy figured out, via its own thread, im just using the set up thats alrdy been tested
 
Yeah the manufacture offers raised feet
Which case grills

Also this case has its on forum on here in the sff, airflow is alrdy sorted just needed advise on the fan choice but their thread is kind of inactive
Do you mean what case grills to put in to replace the stock ones?
Or do you mean which vents to cut out? Back and bottom of obvious ones. Aviation snips work pretty good. I use a hand nibbler made by kline tool company to trim into tight corners, etc. But it's not cheap, kinda hard to find and you end up with sore hand/arm muscles the next day. Lots of options for hole edging from simple paper presentation clip on edges cut to fit and pushed onto edges to fancy CLC or 3D printer made grills. For your back intake I would just use a magnetic mounting vent filter like Silverstonetek make. Same on bottom if used as intake.

I haven't used the new NF-A12x15 .. it only makes 1.53mm H2O at 1800rpm so might work if you can get the grill & filter resistance down. I prefer fans that make that kind of pressure at about 1300rpm.

You say there isn't room for 25mm thick fans inside of case on Accelero cooler?

I still think back and bottom intake with everything else exhaust is probably best, but it's limited venting for sure any way you look at it.

Experimentation is king .. and it really helps to monitoring cooler intake air temp and other airflow air temps inside of case while experimenting to get fans' speed curves set so they supply cool air to component while removing their heated exhaust all while experimenting. You only need both intake and exhaust if fans being used can't overcome the restrictions of case and coolers. Running both intake and exhaust is 'stacking' the fans so it increases their pressure rating. Only other reason for intake & exhaust is if a differnt airflow path is needed where an exhaust fan helps change the airflow path through the case .. and the airflow paths through case are what supply cool air to components while moving heated exhaust out of case without it mixing / heating the cool air going to components.
 
My topic was just asking what fans are better lol

Airflow and all that is alrdy figured out, via its own thread, im just using the set up thats alrdy been tested

Then from the options given I say the NF-F12 is your best bet, unless you don't care about noise and just want pure performance, in which case just get your hands on a pair of high speed Deltas.
 
I don't see how "airflow is sorted" in something set up as the picture in the OP (be it in dimensions, number of fans, airflow or setup), but if you guys are happy, you've got a dedicated thread after all!, by all means.

Likewise with exhaust fans. Raise it by 50cms, minimum. Was entirely wrong.
And also, incredibly thankful. No irony. I often need my reminders and i just got them. Never hurts. For assuredly not the last time, sincere apologies for attempting to burst bubbles.

Except doyll's.. too late for that one. Unfortunately :)
 
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