[UTVOL06]

Can anyone help me figure out my issues?

Spec
9950X3D SP121
X870E Hero
Z5 Royal 6000 CL28
Latest 2/25 Chipset Driver
1203 Bios
1200 EVGA PSU

Current settings
PBO 200+
1x Scalar
SMU set to Driver
FLCK Auto/2000
VDDSOC 1.20
CO CCD0 -15 CCD1 -25

Issue
-If I load up like valorant, on instance it would freeze the entire OS the mouse would be able to move for a few seconds then the entire system will be inoperable and unresponsive.

-NO ERRORS in Event viewer

-Even gaming in marvel rivals or streaming at the same time or just even being in discord while playing I would have a good 3 hour session then I would see my discord be unresponsive and my os. my game would be running still for a few more minutes then it would also freeze

Even sometimes when the system runs fine and -when try to shutdown it would be stuck on the shutdown screen till I manually hold the button to

Troubleshooting methods
Swapped XMP kit for EXPO
No issues on X870E-E Strix before swapping to Hero
Exchanged my Hero board for another and still happens
Reinstalled OS and drivers
OCCT Ran for an Hour on RAM/CPU 0 errors
Tried using coreflex on and auto to test to see if the “dynamic oc” switcher was messing around with cpu loads causing instability
Cleared CMOS

Later today i will try disabling HAGS and fast startup. but is my issue irregular for still not being able to find the culprit?

Hello,

Try setting your Scaler to 10x, not 1x. I have a 9800x3D and once you start pushing the frequency over 5.4Ghz it needs the extra available voltage. As long as you are not hitting or going over 1.30V under load I wouldn't worry about it. It's fine to have it idle a little over 1.30v. Also, I have the VRM Load Line Calibration set to Level 5 (recommended for OC) you can even use level 6, but I would not go higher than level 6. Level 5 and 6 will improve stability if your CPU voltage was dipping too low under particular loads with a lower LLC setting. Warmer temps will just make it worse. So gaming for instance, you game for a while and your CPU temps will go up some. This would make the CPU start requiring more voltage to remain stable at the same frequencies. I also suggest keeping and using Curve Shaper when using PBO. It can really improve stability at high and Max frequencies as well as improve performance depending on the circumstances. Lastly, I would reset your BIOS to Defaults by clearing the CMOS on the back panel of the motherboard and update your BIOS to 1301 Beta. Asus is supposed to be coming up with another BIOS update soon for X870E Hero and others. On the Curve Shaper reduce your aggressiveness with the negative offset to no more than -20 for Minimum, Low, and Medium Frequencies and temps to -20. For High and Max Frequencies use a positive offset of maybe +5 to start out with for all temps, but with the 9950x3D it may require less voltage than the 9800x3D does at High and Max frequencies. As an example for 5.67GHz overclock on my 9800x3D I use positive offsets in the +6 to +8 range for Low Med High temps. You may want to see what some other 9960x3D users are using for High and Max Curve shaper values for specific overclocks. Just remember the lower the temp the less voltage will be required to remain stable and the hotter it gets the more voltage it needs. sorry I am being redundant.

thanks

 

[Menko22]

Hello,

Try setting your Scaler to 10x, not 1x. I have a 9800x3D and once you start pushing the frequency over 5.4Ghz it needs the extra available voltage. As long as you are not hitting or going over 1.30V under load I wouldn't worry about it. It's fine to have it idle a little over 1.30v. Also, I have the VRM Load Line Calibration set to Level 5 (recommended for OC) you can even use level 6, but I would not go higher than level 6. Level 5 and 6 will improve stability if your CPU voltage was dipping too low under particular loads with a lower LLC setting. Warmer temps will just make it worse. So gaming for instance, you game for a while and your CPU temps will go up some. This would make the CPU start requiring more voltage to remain stable at the same frequencies. I also suggest keeping and using Curve Shaper when using PBO. It can really improve stability at high and Max frequencies as well as improve performance depending on the circumstances. Lastly, I would reset your BIOS to Defaults by clearing the CMOS on the back panel of the motherboard and update your BIOS to 1301 Beta. Asus is supposed to be coming up with another BIOS update soon for X870E Hero and others. On the Curve Shaper reduce your aggressiveness with the negative offset to no more than -20 for Minimum, Low, and Medium Frequencies and temps to -20. For High and Max Frequencies use a positive offset of maybe +5 to start out with for all temps, but with the 9950x3D it may require less voltage than the 9800x3D does at High and Max frequencies. As an example for 5.67GHz overclock on my 9800x3D I use positive offsets in the +6 to +8 range for Low Med High temps. You may want to see what some other 9960x3D users are using for High and Max Curve shaper values for specific overclocks. Just remember the lower the temp the less voltage will be required to remain stable and the hotter it gets the more voltage it needs. sorry I am being redundant.

thanks

Thank you UTVOL06

Not redundant at all.

It's much more info in one message than in many pages of post reading.

I have my set-up finished after some time and only have to get a bit more stability with PBO CO ECLK.
I'm trying not to use Curve Shaper as I don't have experience with it.

Right now I'm using:
ECLK 103.00
PBO +200
CO (from -5 to -25 depending on the core)
Scalar X5

I have to work on this a bit more cause I got a couple crashes. Scalar X10 and LLC 5 could be a good way to start.

I have my max voltage around 1.22v. My CPU has a good SP value and VF Table.

I'm sure it's not the GPU or the RAM OC.

 

[artemuss1990]

My **** CPU 9950x when first start after bios update post duration ~ 10min, you can wait some more time. Asus often has a BIOS reset button that doesn't work. You can try removing the battery on the board for 10s. And in general, before replacing the memory, you need to reset all settings in the BIOS

 

[Menko22]

Hello,

Try setting your Scaler to 10x, not 1x. I have a 9800x3D and once you start pushing the frequency over 5.4Ghz it needs the extra available voltage. As long as you are not hitting or going over 1.30V under load I wouldn't worry about it. It's fine to have it idle a little over 1.30v. Also, I have the VRM Load Line Calibration set to Level 5 (recommended for OC) you can even use level 6, but I would not go higher than level 6. Level 5 and 6 will improve stability if your CPU voltage was dipping too low under particular loads with a lower LLC setting. Warmer temps will just make it worse. So gaming for instance, you game for a while and your CPU temps will go up some. This would make the CPU start requiring more voltage to remain stable at the same frequencies. I also suggest keeping and using Curve Shaper when using PBO. It can really improve stability at high and Max frequencies as well as improve performance depending on the circumstances. Lastly, I would reset your BIOS to Defaults by clearing the CMOS on the back panel of the motherboard and update your BIOS to 1301 Beta. Asus is supposed to be coming up with another BIOS update soon for X870E Hero and others. On the Curve Shaper reduce your aggressiveness with the negative offset to no more than -20 for Minimum, Low, and Medium Frequencies and temps to -20. For High and Max Frequencies use a positive offset of maybe +5 to start out with for all temps, but with the 9950x3D it may require less voltage than the 9800x3D does at High and Max frequencies. As an example for 5.67GHz overclock on my 9800x3D I use positive offsets in the +6 to +8 range for Low Med High temps. You may want to see what some other 9960x3D users are using for High and Max Curve shaper values for specific overclocks. Just remember the lower the temp the less voltage will be required to remain stable and the hotter it gets the more voltage it needs. sorry I am being redundant.

thanks

Quick question i never asked.

Do you change the overclock settings in AMD Overclocking menu or in the Asus Extreme Tweaker?

 

[Silent Scone]

Quick question i never asked.

Do you change the overclock settings in AMD Overclocking menu or in the Asus Extreme Tweaker?

Stick to the Extreme Tweaker menu

 

[Silent Scone]

Troubleshooting methods
Swapped XMP kit for EXPO
No issues on X870E-E Strix before swapping to Hero
Exchanged my Hero board for another and still happens
Reinstalled OS and drivers
OCCT Ran for an Hour on RAM/CPU 0 errors
Tried using coreflex on and auto to test to see if the “dynamic oc” switcher was messing around with cpu loads causing instability
Cleared CMOS

Later today i will try disabling HAGS and fast startup. but is my issue irregular for still not being able to find the culprit?

Same with EXPO disabled? OCCT not the best memory stressor, use Karhu, GSAT or TM5.

Are you using a CPU contact frame?

 

[Mozart23]

Stick to the Extreme Tweaker menu

What is the difference? I'm using Tweaker menu for memory OC and Advanced AMD Overclocking menu for PBO and have 0 issue. Is there some known problem or ?

 

[Silent Scone]

What is the difference? I'm using Tweaker menu for memory OC and Advanced AMD Overclocking menu for PBO and have 0 issue. Is there some known problem or ?

Whatever is easier to navigate. It's just parameters set in RC code, but some users flip between both and if you need to ask, stick to the MB vendors menu.

 

[Mozart23]

Whatever is easier to navigate. It's just parameters set in RC code, but some users flip between both and if you need to ask, stick to the MB vendors menu.

Got it. Thanks for the clarification.
I like to have it split like that, but it is definitely easier for some to stick to one menu.

 

[omahagtp]

Got it. Thanks for the clarification.
I like to have it split like that, but it is definitely easier for some to stick to one menu.

It is odd how some features are missing from the other. IE. on the Gene in the Tweaker menu you have PBO Enhancement 80C, 90C, but not in the "proper" overclock area. The OC area has a CO that offers CO per CCD, the Tweaker does not. There's a few of these oddities, just... odd.

 

[Silent Scone]

It is odd how some features are missing from the other. IE. on the Gene in the Tweaker menu you have PBO Enhancement 80C, 90C, but not in the "proper" overclock area. The OC area has a CO that offers CO per CCD, the Tweaker does not. There's a few of these oddities, just... odd.

PBO Enhancement is an ASUS feature

 

[Mozart23]

It is odd how some features are missing from the other. IE. on the Gene in the Tweaker menu you have PBO Enhancement 80C, 90C, but not in the "proper" overclock area. The OC area has a CO that offers CO per CCD, the Tweaker does not. There's a few of these oddities, just... odd.

Yeah, but as Silent Scone aleready mentioned, some features in Tweakers menu are there made by ASUS.
I have everything regarding memory in Tweakers menu. And everything regarding PBO in Advnaced menu. So I'm not getting lost what i set wherehopefully

 

[UTVOL06]

Stick to the Extreme Tweaker menu

There is one option in the amd overclocking menu when enabling PBO that gives an option to either just enable it and go by the AMD PBO rules or the Mainboard option, which utilizes the Asus Motherboard PBO rules instead of AMD's.

Asus doesn't explain what enabling PBO in the Tweaker menu does in regards to it's rules. Whether it uses AMD's rules or goes by the Asus Motherboard rules. So by enabling the Advanced AMD PBO option and then selecting the Asus "Mainboard" rules option, which should then ensure you will get better performance. Ofcourse this is assuming that you have adequate cooling to take advantage of more performance oriented Asus board rules.

*Maybe someone can tell us for sure if leaving all the Advanced>AMD Overclocking menu items at untouched default values while only using the Asus Tweaker menu to enable PBO. Will this method use AMD PBO rules or will it strictly utilize the Asus mainboard rules for higher performance?

If we can completely ignore the Advanced AMD Overclocking menu and just use the Asus Tweaker PBO menu to get the best performance. That would be the best option.

 

[polyh3dron]

Whatever is easier to navigate. It's just parameters set in RC code, but some users flip between both and if you need to ask, stick to the MB vendors menu.

so there is no effective difference, but while Extreme Tweaker says Tomayto, AMD CBS says Tomahto.

 

[wazalike]

Hello guys, did u know why certain People can reach 16k+ or 15k+ on tse cpu score ?
Whatever i put, pbo +200 with co or static oc, my cpu score never goes above 14k8 or 15k in this bench.
I don't want to go on 1301 bios cause People said its best on 1203.
My ram at 8100cl34 fclk 2000

 

[Simply Ultrawide Gameplay]

Hello guys, did u know why certain People can reach 16k+ or 15k+ on tse cpu score ?
Whatever i put, pbo +200 with co or static oc, my cpu score never goes above 14k8 or 15k in this bench.
I don't want to go on 1301 bios cause People said its best on 1203.
My ram at 8100cl34 fclk 2000

Hello 👋
In what people are reaching that 16k benchmark score?

 

[Alexshunter]

Hello guys, did u know why certain People can reach 16k+ or 15k+ on tse cpu score ?
Whatever i put, pbo +200 with co or static oc, my cpu score never goes above 14k8 or 15k in this bench.
I don't want to go on 1301 bios cause People said its best on 1203.
My ram at 8100cl34 fclk 2000

With all do respect, who reported bios 1203 is good or the best?

 

[wazalike]

I talk about the time spy extreme cpu score, For the bios version it's on the rog x870e hero forum from asus and here, i don't know the page but a guy tell that even the bios before 1203 is better

 

[Simply Ultrawide Gameplay]

I talk about the time spy extreme cpu score, For the bios version it's on the rog x870e hero forum from asus and here, i don't know the page but a guy tell that even the bios before 1203 is better

Well, I just tested for fun and my R9 9950X3D in stock is not reaching that score of 16K. Maybe if I overclock it and redo the test again. I want to mention that I am using the bios beta version 1301 and no issues at all.

So I did the test again, this time with the case open for a little better cooling and a +200 overclock on the CPU.

 

[wazalike]

Ok thank u, i have check with arcky too and he have same result as u but i don't know why i have a lower score. What is ur windows version ? Anything special in bios disabled or enabled ? How many nvme u have on the mobo ? Second screen is with static oc ? I do just 15k with pbo +200 and c0 per ccd -30 and -20. I think something is bugged