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Originally Posted by pokerapar88

The "all new" RX 580 is... what we all expected. A rebadge. What I didn't expect is a higher TDP which in this case, it is quite higher than the RX 480's 150w (around 218 for the Asus version).
Cheers!

http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/asus_radeon_rx_580_strix_review,1.html

http://www.guru3d.com/articles-pages/msi-radeon-rx-580-gaming-x-review,1.html

Not a rebadge. It's able to hit 1400MHz to 1500MHz. It's been re-engineered. Same GPU, made slightly better.

That's not a rebadge.

 

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Originally Posted by Mahigan

Not a rebadge. It's able to hit 1400MHz to 1500MHz. It's been re-engineered. Same GPU, made slightly better.

That's not a rebadge.

Correct if I'm wrong , but couldn't the later samples of the Rx 480 hit those clockspeeds with higher voltages aswell ?

 

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Originally Posted by Mahigan

Not a rebadge. It's able to hit 1400MHz to 1500MHz. It's been re-engineered. Same GPU, made slightly better.

That's not a rebadge.

Well, its a better FinFet+ tech for what I've read. But it's basically the same GPU which can reach higher clocks at the cost of way higher power consumption... so though it's not a technical rebadge nor a die shrink, it's basically the same GPU with 0 innovation. Those 100-200mhz don't make the GPU faster than a GTX 980 in some games. Still not worthwile for a new gen of gpus. they could just name them RX480+ or something like that.

 

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Originally Posted by Barca130

Correct if I'm wrong , but couldn't the later samples of the Rx 480 hit those clockspeeds with higher voltages aswell ?

I think that they wouldn't go higher than 1380mhz on the best binned gpus (without bios mods and such)

 

It's a re-spin rather than a re-badge. Small difference.

 

Crap, absolute re branded crap. Increased TDP, increased power consumption, no visible architectural improvements besidess RTG saying "Oh we tweaked the process and tightened the voltage regulation". Absolutely NO overclocking for enthusiasts whatsoever.

If Vega isn't any good then RTG might as well pack it up and the staff start sending out resumes. This garbage has to stop.

 

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Originally Posted by Mahigan

Not a rebadge. It's able to hit 1400MHz to 1500MHz. It's been re-engineered. Same GPU, made slightly better.

That's not a rebadge.

It sounds like it's hitting higher clocks through the use of higher voltage and power (just like the 390). So it isn't the result of process improvements, it doesn't appear, but brute force.

 

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Originally Posted by pokerapar88

Well, its a better FinFet+ tech for what I've read. But it's basically the same GPU which can reach higher clocks at the cost of way higher power consumption... so though it's not a technical rebadge nor a die shrink, it's basically the same GPU with 0 innovation. Those 100-200mhz don't make the GPU faster than a GTX 980 in some games. Still not worthwile for a new gen of gpus. they could just name them RX480+ or something like that.

See --> Kabylake..

 

Almost 1 year later and only now AMD manages to beat the GTX1060, just barely. This is absolutely atrocious as far as innovation and progress is concerned. I guess it's a decent mid range GPU for the masses, but damn, enthusiast in me couldn't be more bored. Oh and power consumption is a joke, as always.

 

Shocking. I have no words yet I need to buy Vega because AMD needs the cash inflow.

 

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Originally Posted by Glottis

Almost 1 year later and only now AMD manages to beat the GTX1060, just barely. This is absolutely atrocious as far as innovation and progress is concerned. I guess it's a decent mid range GPU for the masses, but damn, enthusiast in me couldn't be more bored. Oh and power consumption is a joke, as always.

RX 480s were actually beating GTX 1060s due to driver maturation. This is not a generational release thing.

 

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Originally Posted by Forceman

It sounds like it's hitting higher clocks through the use of higher voltage and power (just like the 390). So it isn't the result of process improvements, it doesn't appear, but brute force.

This precisely.

 

I just noticed something, are both Guru3D and TPU comparing Reference 1060 to custom 580s? That's a bit deceptive if you ask me.

 

yawn.... re-packaged RX480. remember the days when AMD used to come out with cards that offered new performance levels instead of constant rebrands or cards that perform at or below the level of much older cards? seems like forever.

 

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Will it deliver

...Seems like a nope for me. ;/

 

Not even closer to delivering I'm afraid.

The 1060 still matches or outperforms it, only this time it actually isn't just more power efficient, but FAR more power efficient.

 

At least it's close now to Fury @ 1080p

 

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Originally Posted by Rushlimpaws

...Seems like a nope for me. ;/

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Originally Posted by Artikbot

Not even closer to delivering I'm afraid.

The 1060 still matches or outperforms it, only this time it actually isn't just more power efficient, but FAR more power efficient.

Agreed. Actually, I think they should be named RX 480/70/60/50 + instead of using the 500 series name. For less than 15% of performance increase, it starts to look like Intel's late roadmap.

 

One hell of a gap to bridge for Vega

 

While meh, this is not unusual or unexpected. Heck, this isn't even a long-running rebrand yet.

Look at the 8800GTS (g92):
8800GTS -> 9800GTX -> 250GTS

Or the 7870 (arguably a die shrink on the 6970):
7870 -> 270X -> 370X

I'm sure there are other examples out there

 

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Originally Posted by Quantium40

While meh, this is not unusual or unexpected. Heck, this isn't even a long-running rebrand yet.

Look at the 8800GTS (g92):
8800GTS -> 9800GTX -> 250GTS

Or the 7870 (arguably a die shrink on the 6970):
7870 -> 270X -> 370X

I'm sure there are other examples out there

Ah, someone watched the AdoredTV video.

 

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Originally Posted by nakano2k1

Ah, someone watched the AdoredTV video.

Actually didn't. What even is AdoredTV? (serious)

 

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Originally Posted by Quantium40

While meh, this is not unusual or unexpected. Heck, this isn't even a long-running rebrand yet.

Look at the 8800GTS (g92):
8800GTS -> 9800GTX -> 250GTS

Or the 7870 (arguably a die shrink on the 6970):
7870 -> 270X -> 370X

I'm sure there are other examples out there

7870 was definitely not a die shrink of the 6970. It was based on GCN while the 6970 was based on the outdated VLIW architecture. There's a pretty large leap in innovation between those two parts.

Agreed with the rest

 

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Originally Posted by TheBlademaster01

7870 was definitely not a die shrink of the 6970. It was based on GCN while the 6970 was based on the outdated VLIW architecture. There's a pretty large leap in innovation between those two parts.

Agreed with the rest

Ah, my bad, you are right.

 

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Originally Posted by Quantium40

While meh, this is not unusual or unexpected. Heck, this isn't even a long-running rebrand yet.

Look at the 8800GTS (g92):
8800GTS -> 9800GTX -> 250GTS

Or the 7870 (arguably a die shrink on the 6970):
7870 -> 270X -> 370X

I'm sure there are other examples out there

Indeed. Though the 8800GTS was a top end videocard that revolutionized (performance wise) when released and it kicked arse... it could be rebadged a couple of times and sent to the back of the line and eventually discontinued... the 480 when first released was a midrange product at best... and it kicked nobody's arse... it just made sense price to performance, though the gtx 970 still made more sense as it became cheaper and it's only a 15% slower (though it can OC quite high and reach the 480 with ease).