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Originally Posted by FreeElectron

Then your only solution is to search for comparative reviews

Or just buy the H240-X. A couple of more Noctuas purchased and it will be almost the same cost with far less performance.

 

not sure about the H240-x, to expensive and i have no space for such a big cooler, (cm storm trooper),

2 fans 20-30$ each 40-60$ vs
H240-X 150$ http://www.swiftech.com/H240-X.aspx

and
http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2417605

i already have the h110, no need to buy another cooler,

 

Indeed you do. Probably paid $90.00 or more for it tool (as much or more than a good air cooler). Now you are talking about spending another $40-60 for better fans (total cost to as much or more than a Swiftech & way more than top tier air) You will still have the cheapo pump, radiator and hosing of the H110. Water pumps wear out, and as they wear out they move progressively less water .. meaning poorer and poorer cooling as time goes on. And cheapo pumps wear out faster than quality pumps.
Add $20-30 to the cost of new fans and you have the cost of a top tier air cooler.

For $50-55 you can get the TRUE Spirit 140 rev.A or TRUE Spirit 140 Power and have good quiet cooling .. 1c warmer than NH-D14 and quieter .. and NH-D14 is only 1-2c warmer than the best air coolers.

Maybe it woutd help to post the data in a chart.
Ciarlatano tests and reviews. Here is his data on top air and AIO & CLC coolers

 

http://www.hardocp.com/article/2015/01/26/swiftech_h240x_cpu_liquid_cooling_aio_kit/3#.VUTRTyFViko

H110 isn't bad quality, funny thing, when i bougth the h110, the H240-x was not released,
the H110 is a proven product, so it why i bought it.

there ton of positive review about the h110, ,

the true Spirit power is a poor choise for me because i already have a havik 140 and the true-spirit is only 3 degree better
http://www.overclockers.com/thermalright-true-spirit-140-heatsink-review/

the h110 is a top air cooler
http://www.hardocp.com/article/2015/03/02/corsair_hydro_series_h110_280mm_aio_cpu_cooler_review/3#.VUTaoCFViko

and speaking of bad cooler,
your PH-TC14PE is not so good,
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Phanteks/PH-TC14PE/6.html

Maybe the CRYORIG R1 Ultimate is better,
not really , only barely beat an h75
http://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/6083/cryorig-r1-ultimate-cpu-cooler-review/index7.html

sorry i had to defend the h110,

 

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Originally Posted by cou51

http://www.hardocp.com/article/2015/01/26/swiftech_h240x_cpu_liquid_cooling_aio_kit/3#.VUTRTyFViko

H110 isn't bad quality, funny thing, when i bougth the h110, the H240-x was not released,
the H110 is a proven product, so it why i bought it.

there ton of positive review about the h110, ,

the true Spirit power is a poor choise for me because i already have a havik 140 and the true-spirit is only 3 degree better
http://www.overclockers.com/thermalright-true-spirit-140-heatsink-review/

the h110 is a top air cooler
http://www.hardocp.com/article/2015/03/02/corsair_hydro_series_h110_280mm_aio_cpu_cooler_review/3#.VUTaoCFViko

and speaking of bad cooler,
your PH-TC14PE is not so good,
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Phanteks/PH-TC14PE/6.html

Maybe the CRYORIG R1 Ultimate is better,
not really , only barely beat an h75
http://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/6083/cryorig-r1-ultimate-cpu-cooler-review/index7.html

sorry i had to defend the h110,

Sorry but you know not what you are talking about.
Your link is to TRUE Spirit 140, not TRUE Spirit Power

Reviewers generally give everything a positive review.
They do not bite the hand that feeds them. .. because iff they do, no more product from that company to review.

PH-TC14PE is one of the very best there is.
Your link shows it only 1c warmer.

But as you are not interested in the truth, sail away in your little sailboat. I'm done.

 

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Originally Posted by cou51

http://www.hardocp.com/article/2015/01/26/swiftech_h240x_cpu_liquid_cooling_aio_kit/3#.VUTRTyFViko

H110 isn't bad quality, funny thing, when i bougth the h110, the H240-x was not released,
the H110 is a proven product, so it why i bought it.

there ton of positive review about the h110, ,

the true Spirit power is a poor choise for me because i already have a havik 140 and the true-spirit is only 3 degree better
http://www.overclockers.com/thermalright-true-spirit-140-heatsink-review/

the h110 is a top air cooler
http://www.hardocp.com/article/2015/03/02/corsair_hydro_series_h110_280mm_aio_cpu_cooler_review/3#.VUTaoCFViko

and speaking of bad cooler,
your PH-TC14PE is not so good,
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Phanteks/PH-TC14PE/6.html

Maybe the CRYORIG R1 Ultimate is better,
not really , only barely beat an h75
http://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/6083/cryorig-r1-ultimate-cpu-cooler-review/index7.html

sorry i had to defend the h110,

H110 is an aluminum rad!
The results of the review linked are highly suspicious.

 

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Originally Posted by FreeElectron

H110 is an aluminum rad!
The results of the review linked are highly suspicious.

You mean like the part where the 240L is outperforming the H240-X? What planet were they testing on?

 

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Originally Posted by ciarlatano

You mean like the part where the 240L is outperforming the H240-X? What planet were they testing on?

No, the part where an Aluminum radiator outperformed several higher quality Copper rads

 

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Originally Posted by FreeElectron

No, the part where an Aluminum radiator outperformed several higher quality Copper rads

That HardOCP review compares the H110 against several other solutions - most of which are 240mm rads and not 280mm rads. I have no trouble believing that an aluminum 280mm can outperform an all-copper 240mm unit. The thermal conductivity differences are so small at these sizes that copper vs. aluminum isn't as important as fan choice and fin density.

Greg

 

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Originally Posted by hammong

That HardOCP review compares the H110 against several other solutions - most of which are 240mm rads and not 280mm rads. I have no trouble believing that an aluminum 280mm can outperform an all-copper 240mm unit. The thermal conductivity differences are so small at these sizes that copper vs. aluminum isn't as important as fan choice and fin density.

Greg

Post edited.
You have a valid point but still one needs more than a single review to believe those sketchy results.
An AIO can't simply defeat the Swiftech's H240-X.

 

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Originally Posted by hammong

That HardOCP review compares the H110 against several other solutions - most of which are 240mm rads and not 280mm rads. I have no trouble believing that an aluminum 280mm can outperform an all-copper 240mm unit. The thermal conductivity differences are so small at these sizes that copper vs. aluminum isn't as important as fan choice and fin density.

Greg

Other variables are involved;
Pump
waterblock
Both are questionable on most CLCs. The waterblocks have poor heat transfer and the pumps have very limited flow rates.
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Originally Posted by FreeElectron

Post edited.
You have a valid point but still one needs more than a single review to believe those sketchy results.
An AIO can't simply defeat the Swiftech's H240-X.

True, but the Swiftech H240-X is an AIO (All in One) cooler. But it is not a CLC (Closed Loop Cooler).
Swiftech pump also moves several times as much water as CLCs, has a much better radiator, etc.

 

Not so great TRUE Spirit 140 Power
http://www.nikktech.com/main/articles/pc-hardware/cpu-cooling/cpu-air-coolers/3854-thermalright-true-spirit-140-power-cpu-cooler-review?showall=&start=5

More review of the h110
On par with a noctua NH-D14
http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/corsair_h110_review,13.html

Better than the h100i
http://hexus.net/tech/reviews/cooling/54205-corsair-hydro-series-h110/?page=3

Better than the PH-TC14PE
http://www.overclockersclub.com/reviews/corsair_hydro_h110/4.htm

On par with the h100i
http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum/hardware-canucks-reviews/59600-corsair-hydro-h90-h110-cpu-coolers-review-6.html

Ok H110 isn't so great here on pair with silver arrow sb-e extreme,
http://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/5245/corsair-hydro-series-h110-aio-cpu-cooler-review/index7.html

i know the h110 is not as good as the h-240x, but it's not the worst cooler of all time, h-240x is to expensive and do not fit in my case,
h110 was the best i could buy,

and the comparaison between the h110 and the h-240x is not fair because the h-240x is a water cooling,

 

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Originally Posted by cou51

and the comparaison between the h110 and the h-240x is not fair because the h-240x is a water cooling,

The more you try to defend your belief, the more evident your ignorance becomes. The above statement is beyond belief.

 

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Originally Posted by cou51

i know the h110 is not as good as the h-240x, but it's not the worst cooler of all time, h-240x is to expensive and do not fit in my case,
h110 was the best i could buy,

and the comparaison between the h110 and the h-240x is not fair because the h-240x is a water cooling,

The Swiftech H240-X is a pre assembled AIO that you can easily install.
I am not sure why wouldn't it fit in your case, both of the AIOs are using a 280mm rads.

Anyway i would still recommend the NF-A14 2000 PWM (or swiftech Helix 140mm pwm if you want minimal noise) if you want to go with H110 and replace the fans

 

Quote:

Originally Posted by cou51

i know the h110 is not as good as the h-240x, but it's not the worst cooler of all time, h-240x is to expensive and do not fit in my case,
h110 was the best i could buy,

and the comparaison between the h110 and the h-240x is not fair because the h-240x is a water cooling,

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Originally Posted by doyll

The more you try to defend your belief, the more evident your ignorance becomes. The above statement is beyond belief.

@doyll, I don't necessarily have an issue with that statement. While CLCs contain liquid, they have none of the characteristics of custom water. When someone says "liquid cooling" or "water cooling", I don't think of CLC first. And he is absolutely correct - the H240-X vs. any CLC is not a fair comparison. You know, the whole "brought a knife to a gun fight"....

I swore I wasn't going to get involved any further than trying to help the OP get the best fans he can for the H110 since he already has it.....

@cou51BTW - You might want to check out the NZXT FN v2 140mm. They are the fans that came with the late productions of the X60 and now with the X61. In case you are unaware, your H110 is an NZXT X60 that Corsair licensed from Asetek just with the Corsair logo, and the X60 was a much better performer due to the inclusion of much better fans.

BUT, the retail price on the H110 and H240-X are $10USD apart, so that really isn't a defense. Unless you have a really, really strange case the H240-X will fit wherever the H110 does, so, again...

You can't win an argument that the H110 is as good a choice as the H240-X, simply because it isn't. Why even go down that route? Focus on getting better fans if that is what you want to do. My only point was that you have spent ~$50 already on fans that don't fit, you are looking at spending another ~$50 on the correct fit. After you find that your temps barely change (somehow....you will think they will despite actually using fans with lower CFM and static, while what actually occurs is better temps at similar noise levels with decreased top end performance), you will likely spend ~$50 to do push/pull (which is a mistake on the H110, btw - total diminishing returns, you may get ~2 degrees for that $50). At that point you are into a CLC for ~$275. Read that carefully - a $275 CLC. To make matters worse, it will be a $275 CLC that still gets outperformed by and is louder than the H240-X (by a very large margin in both respects, I might add). Personally, I find it doesn't sound like a very good use of funds.

 

doyll ... ignorant,!!! well, you hurt my feeling. your are not a very nice person,

i saw this( CPU Liquid Cooling KiT), and i thought the H240-x was more than a simple AIO, it got better pump, and it's not closed, like a custom water cooling

i found this post , he said that h240-x is only 1-2 degree better than h110 with the same fans, make me wonder....
http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2417605

http://www.swiftech.com/H240-X.aspx

ps : i think the 240-x is to thick for my case. i have a cm storm trooper case.

to ciarlatano,

i paid 125$ for the h110 and the h240-x is a 189$ cooling. When i bought the h110.(canada) the fan i bought was 15$ each, so 35$ with shipping and h240-x wasn't released when i bought the h110. i made a mistake with the 2 fan i bought. I will try to use then as fan for my case, and if i like then, i will but the S version. these fan are cheap. if not, i will buy something else like the 2000 rmp noctua fan

http://www.ncix.com/detail/swiftech-h240-x-all-in-one-liquid-cooling-6d-102715.htm

 

Quote:

Originally Posted by cou51

doyll ... ignorant,!!! well, you hurt my feeling. your are not a very nice person,

i saw this( CPU Liquid Cooling KiT), and i thought the H240-x was more than a simple AIO, it got better pump, and it's not closed, like a custom water cooling

i found this post , he said that h240-x is only 1-2 degree better than h110 with the same fans, make me wonder....
http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2417605

http://www.swiftech.com/H240-X.aspx

ps : i think the 240-x is to thick for my case. i have a cm storm trooper case.

to ciarlatano,

i paid 125$ for the h110 and the h240-x is a 189$ cooling. When i bought the h110.(canada) the fan i bought was 15$ each, so 35$ with shipping and h240-x wasn't released when i bought the h110. i made a mistake with the 2 fan i bought. I will try to use then as fan for my case, and if i like then, i will but the S version. these fan are cheap. if not, i will buy something else like the 2000 rmp noctua fan

http://www.ncix.com/detail/swiftech-h240-x-all-in-one-liquid-cooling-6d-102715.htm

The swiftech H240-X is a preassembled AIO that also allows expandability.
Please measure the allowed distance in your case to check for compatibility.

 

Quote:

Originally Posted by ciarlatano

@doyll, I don't necessarily have an issue with that statement. While CLCs contain liquid, they have none of the characteristics of custom water. When someone says "liquid cooling" or "water cooling", I don't think of CLC first. And he is absolutely correct - the H240-X vs. any CLC is not a fair comparison. You know, the whole "brought a knife to a gun fight"....

I swore I wasn't going to get involved any further than trying to help the OP get the best fans he can for the H110 since he already has it.....

While I agree the H240-X (also H140-X & H220-X) are much better quality than other AIO / CLC coolers, they are still classified as AIO coolers .... but yes, it is like taking a knife to a gun fight.

Quote:

Originally Posted by cou51

doyll ... ignorant,!!! well, you hurt my feeling. your are not a very nice person,

Well, it's hard to be a nice person when telling someone they do not know what they are talking about.
Statements like
Quote:

and the comparaison between the h110 and the h-240x is not fair because the h-240x is a water cooling,

do show an extreme lack of understanding of what an AIO cooler is .. both H110 & H240-X area AIO while only H110 is CLC.

But just to show I am at least an okay person, I'm sorry I hurt your feelings.

 

i know exacly what i am talking about. the h110 is not really a water cooling, custom water cooling is real water cooling,

H110 and other AIO are for amateur like me. Good performance for price,

h240-x is a costy cooling with better performance,

Custom water cooling is for the pro, enthusiasm

doyll
i understand now, you have a gtx 580 and a i7 980x extreme. Money isn't a problem for you, you can choose the best and this is great, but you have to understand this isn't the case for everyone

You have to understand that some people like me are not rich, they can't affort the top performer. that is why i chose the h110.
it's the same reason i have 5820k even if 5960x is far better. i don't have money to buy the best, do you understand.

 

Quote:

Originally Posted by cou51

i know exacly what i am talking about. the h110 is not really a water cooling, custom water cooling is real water cooling,

H110 and other AIO are for amateur like me. Good performance for price,

h240-x is a costy cooling with better performance,

Custom water cooling is for the pro, enthusiasm

doyll
i understand now, you have a gtx 580 and a i7 980x extreme. Money isn't a problem for you, you can choose the best and this is great, but you have to understand this isn't the case for everyone

You have to understand that some people like me are not rich, they can't affort the top performer. that is why i chose the h110.
it's the same reason i have 5820k even if 5960x is far better. i don't have money to buy the best, do you understand.

Settle down now.
Going off like this without knowledge of what you are talking about seems to be your strong point.

The best performance for price are air coolers not AIO or even more specifically CLC.

While the H240-X is rather expensive, you have now spent as much as it would have cost .. and more than twice what an air cooler that will perform as well as your H110.

I am on a very limited budget. For example, I cannot afford to buy different fans for my coolers .. and definitely cannot afford to buy ones that do not fit, then buy buy more.

My system is years old and was purchased used for a fraction of what it cost new a couple years after it first came out. Almost everything I have was researched and purchased used at bargain prices.
I paid $215 for motherboard, i7 920, 6GB RAM & NH-U12P.
Asus GTX580 DirectCUII was less $85.00
Define R2 case was $30.00
Silver Arrow IB-E Extreme was a gift .. a were TY-140 & TY-147 fans.
PSU was $25.00.

Now my wife has the above system and we purchased a 4 year old
Rampage III Extreme, i7 980X, EK motherboard waterblock, H80 2/ 2x GT 29 fans and TX-650 for $245.00.

This is over a 3 year period.
How much money has gone into your system in just the last year?

 

noctua-nh-D15 is only 15$ less than what i paid for the H110,
http://www.ncix.com/detail/noctua-nh-d15-dual-tower-heatpipe-45-96233.htm

you have a 980 and a 980x . You pay 245 for a 1000$ cpu + the cost of the rest, you are very Lucky. i don't have that king of luck,

how mush i spend for the 5820k,
5820k 430$
MSI X99-plus 230$
H110 125$
16 go ram 220-230$ 2133 crappy
r9 290 280$

total 1285$, a bit more than the cost of you cpu alone i7 980x. I am not sure or my 5820k compare but i guess the i7 980X is better. your cpu is a bit old but it is a extreme edition.

Where did you buy your 245$ i7 980x ?

 

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Originally Posted by cou51

noctua-nh-D15 is only 15$ less than what i paid for the H110,
http://www.ncix.com/detail/noctua-nh-d15-dual-tower-heatpipe-45-96233.htm

you have a 980 and a 980x . You pay 245 for a 1000$ cpu + the cost of the rest, you are very Lucky. i don't have that king of luck,

how mush i spend for the 5820k,
5820k 430$
MSI X99-plus 230$
H110 125$
16 go ram 220-230$ 2133 crappy
r9 290 280$

total 1285$, a bit more than the cost of you cpu alone i7 980x. I am not sure or my 5820k compare but i guess the i7 980X is better. your cpu is a bit old but it is a extreme edition.

Where did you buy your 245$ i7 980x ?

$1285 plus case, PSU & additional fans. compared to my two systems for for $600 plus $15 for Lian Le PC-7+ and $25 for EAH6850.

Two complete systems for less than half of what you've spent on yours ..

Would seem money much less a problem for for you than for us.

But no acknowledgement of you brash accusation, no acceptance of my apology, or or apology for your outbursts.

Just more questions.

I research to find what components work best, than look for used bargains. The 980 and 980X are basically the same with X being unlocked .. making it a little easier to overclock. The most in demand and expensive component in X58 systems now is motherboards. In order to get the Rampage Extreme I had to buy the complete system .. and the price was exceptionally good. That said, last week I just missed out on an i7 920 + 6 * 2GB RAM + Gigabyte UD5 for postage and a bottle of whiskey if everything was still working properly .. it had been setting on the shelf for a couple of years after owner upgraded.

 

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Originally Posted by cou51

i know exacly what i am talking about. the h110 is not really a water cooling, custom water cooling is real water cooling,

Wut?
I suggest listening to doyll, he knows his stuff, hence why he has 876 rep

 

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Originally Posted by Wiz766

Wut?
I suggest listening to doyll, he knows his stuff, hence why he has 876 rep

Thanks, I try to be helpful.

We can lead the Equidae to water, but the donkeys are sometimes too stubborn to drink.

Ciarlatano knows his stuff too. hence his 45 rep ratio with 570 posts.

And he is saying the same thing I am.

As are
hammong
FreeElectron
Wiz766

cou51 is all alone.

 

i am a cou53, not 51, when i subscribed to overclock.net, i was a cou51 but now i am a cou53. Cou53 is designed to be calm and stable, i don't have outbursts.

don't tell me this thing have good performance for price
http://www.ncix.com/detail/swiftech-h240-x-all-in-one-liquid-cooling-6d-102715.htm

the h240-x was not released when i bought the h110, i already have the h110 now.

you want me to buy the 190$ h240-x

ok H110 125$ + h240-x 190$ = 315$

vs h110 + fans, 175$

you solution is not cheaper.

i am alone, the cou is designed to be alone, it's like when i was defending my 8800 gt 256 mo when every one was telling to get the 512 mo version.