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Is it possible to make Satellite internet faster than a land line?

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What technology would a Graduate of Harvard with a PHD have to use to make satellite internet faster than a land line?
 
#3 ·
The speed wont be the issue its the latency that kills it.
 
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Waste of time on a receding orbit to keep it up there. As well as the satellites <4 years in a low orbit with Elon Musk's Starlink. But they'll eventually make something immense that can stretch a signal across the sky to each other in a chain around the globe.

But I jumped to someone in the future years ago and managed to looked up into the sky with dimensional vison and there were lots of small satellites but also a huge ugly central splurge in sky, what a mess and it was interfering with people observations into space. People end at the end of millennia without a sustainable energy after some vigorous activity on the moon...
 
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I don't know what the latency difference is with a low orbit. Back in the day you had somewhere around 500ms of latency "built in" for each direction. So if you planned on online gaming. Well my experience was that you could game for a short time (few minutes) and then you would lag out... but that was like 20 years ago. So I would use Sat to download large files and dial up to game (lol). The joys of living in certain parts of the Country back then.

Either the Sat has to be closer or you need a faster than light signal speed... which I can't hazard a guess as to how that would happen. Speed wise I have no clue what Sat is currently capable of. I have a relative that works for Spectrum and they are rolling out changes that will entirely change the speed tiers. So I would imagine every other "cable company" is too. So do you just want to be faster than current speeds or able to stay ahead.
 
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An electroejaculator.

I don't know what the latency difference is with a low orbit. Back in the day you had somewhere around 500ms of latency "built in" for each direction.
The latency difference is enormous. Services using LEO constellations (like Starlink) are often only 5-20ms worse than cable or fiber.

Either the Sat has to be closer
Which is how. A geosynchronous orbit is more than 22,000 miles away. Starlink's is using an altitude of 340 miles.
 
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Quantum entanglement will allow instant latency and bandwidth. Lasers offer very high bandwidth but its costly and I'm sure the atmospherics are not going to be helpful.

But to say "faster than a land line" is kind of hard because anything you can do with space, you can do on the land, but easier.
 
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Quantum entanglement will allow instant latency
Quantum entanglement has practical applications, but it probably can't be used to transmit actual information at superluminal speeds; that's a causality violation.
 
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Just wanted to chime in as a past satellite internet user, I had Hughes Net while living out in the boonies and had more than enough bandwidth to stream 4K movies. Typically pulled around ~35 megs down which was ~10 higher than advertised. As mentioned earlier it's the latency that really hampers this style of connection.
 
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What you are saying is you won't find a way to communicate with a satellite any faster than what is already happening, because the speed of light is the limiting factor, and that is correct.

Why are you asking about this anyway?
 
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The only way we could have satellite internet "faster" than land line, is to understand that the bandwidth, or data per second is not the only factor. On the internet, data is transferred over hops until it reaches your home network. The more hops the data has to go through, the higher the latency.

To illustrate thins concept, open up the command prompt on Windows and type in

tracert youtube.com

This means that when we do something like watch a youtube video, the data is not going directly from youtube to your mobile phone, but travels from hop to hop through your ISP's network, DNS servers, relays and more. If we could have the Internet on solar powered drones orbiting Earth in a Dyson sphere, they could transmit data back and forth to each other using a point-to-point laser link connection through the use of mirrors and prisms.

If we could transmit data from hop to hop using lasers in space and aim them precisely, with no air molecules to absorb the light, we could eliminate the things that slow the internet down. With less stuff in the way, it could be possible but the nature of what makes up the internet along with clouds and water vapor attenuating the signal, I doubt it could be achievable since lasers need a direct line of sight, and even cloud would obscure them. And in the end, your're still beaming radiowaves from dishes as the last resort until something better comes along.

Now, satellite internet still needs to go through hops (and data centers) on the ground, though you IPS's nodes, before being beamed to space, and then beamed back to your house. Double the distance.
In summary, I just don't think satellite can be faster than landline right now simply because the route to get to the internet is longer, therefore many times higher latency, having to go from
home-->satellite-->ISP ground stations-->internet-->ISP ground station----satellite--->home.


 
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The only way we could have satellite internet "faster" than land line, is to understand that the bandwidth, or data per second is not the only factor. On the internet, data is transferred over hops until it reaches your home network. The more hops the data has to go through, the higher the latency.

Now, satellite internet still needs to go through hops (and data centers) on the ground, though you IPS's nodes, before being beamed to space, and then beamed back to your house. Double the distance.
I gave up on using Starlink from Elon mainly due to horrid breakups, on TV watching Netflix and paramount.

As soon as I went back to Telstra FTTN rotting copper network, here in Convict Town, everything went back to normal and no freezes or break-ups.

Just hate being forced back onto FTTN because Elon's Network was novel but watching anything on TV is deplorable, unless anyone likes broken images and voices being shown. Maybe Elon should invest in back up memory for individual users paying for his service to help reduce the extreme lag.

Thus far landline communications is the way to go for TV services because Starlink is not really built for it, some years yet to reduce their painful latencies.