If indeed those are true scores for the 7950X and 13900K then next gen should be very close. Despite what it says, the 13900K and 7950X are both probably boosting to around low to mid 5ghz range since both companies claim they will.

 

"Close" only as long as 1) performance per watt does not matter and 2) AVX512 does not matter.
Because otherwise I guarantee you AMD is the better choice.

Edit: Also, performance per core of the 7950X is much better because it matches 24c performance with "just" 16c.

 

They said the king of gaming goes to Intel but it's going to be short lived when AMD releases some 3D V-Cache variants. Intel 4-5% more frames, but minimum frame rates have gone up by 11% to 28% depending on a resolution, much larger cache. Overclock these one's near 6Ghz/5.5 all core. I noticed my board already had a bios update for the new gen. They should've made the cheaper 13600k 8p/4e for better future proof. The next gen intel after this one is going to have a much larger cache. I feel a little bad for all of those people that have spent up on a 12900(K/S) 2 in one toilet or room heater, to be torn down in year..

 

Most people buying 12900k/s probably will be happy to turn around and buy a 13900k or whatever is top end.

Probably not worried about budget. It's pretty much like cellphones nowadays what's new and trendy every year or less. Many have been conditioned to constantly shell out very quickly without care.

CPU-Z scores with an overclocked 13700K and Hyperthreading disabled:
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That looks like a suicide or extremely unlikely reachable speeds for even enthusiast. Not 24/7 by any means.

 

CPU-Z scores with an overclocked 13700K and Hyperthreading disabled:

 

Sorry double post

 

^I suppose so, the prices are close enough to a 13700k, I just hope they don't throttle on stock even on water or the only thing it's got going for it is a little bit more cache for gaming.

I don't think they have reported what the frequency of the e cores are yet. I hope its a jump and the ring can be increased. Power efficiency differences between the two doesn't amount for much after you add in the GPU.

 

Sorry I meant power efficiency between Intel and AMD does add up to much.

 

I remember with the 8700k, after overclockers binned all those chips and sold them at a mark up, Intel released the anniversary edition 8086k they had been keeping back all the higher binned chips. Well if they can see a market why not do it themselves. I broke mine after a delid and pushing it. Now 10nm vs 5nm process and I heard going to 5nm solves alot of power issues for Intel, but imagine a Threadripper with 100 smaller cores..

 

Yes, AMD could easily make chiplets with no SMT circuitry involved. With the space savings with that you could possibly squeeze 12 E cores onto the same space. Intel needs to get on the chiplet bandwagon coupled with their hybrid approach to be competitve in the future.

 

Seeing as how I'm already invested in Intel and have 64GB of DDR5 sitting in the banks of my ASUS MB, the 13900K is a no-brainer when the dust settles and we know what's what. My curiosity lies in the thermals - will the 13900 run a little cooler than my current space heater?

It's so nice to finally have a follow-on option from Intel instead of having to re-invest in a MB just to take advantage of the 'next best thing...' It should certainly take part of the sting out of the upgrade for folks who already have the MB in hand. How can I possibly let this opportunity pass me by? It's like getting a next-gen upgrade for half price.. hehe..

Side note - stupid auto-correct wants to correct ASUS to ANUS. MAKE IT STOP! Laughing so hard over here.

 

I plan on getting a 13900k. I was originally going to wait for that as an upgrade from my 5775c but couldn't. Might be a good time to get some nice DDR5 before the 7000 series rush. It might get better in performance or price or stock might just go poof. I'm guessing the latter. I just picked up this: G.SKILL Trident Z5 Series 32GB (2 x 16GB) DDR5 6400 Intel XMP 3.0 Desktop Memory Model F5-6400J3239G16GX2-TZ5S - Newegg.com and it seems to still have some headroom left on my not the greatest CPU,mobo combo. Is a good upgrade for my release Kingston value DDR5. Maybe I'll keep the KVR and my 12700k and make them into a mini itx to replace my 5775c rig in the living room.

Edit: What am I going to do with all of the e-cores? Maybe somebody with a 2 chiplet Ryzen has suggestions.

 

I thought e-cores were disabled for real ADL OC's?

 

Are the Z690 boards going to be less refined compared to the Z790 boards to get the most out of the new processors? They say they will lack will lack PCIe 5.0 for SSDs.

The processors will officially support faster DDR5-5600 memory, I hope DDR4 is given some boost. rluker5 you might have the right idea getting in early..

 

There is that AI M.2 whatever that thing does. They can pack a boatload of tops into those things so maybe it will help you cheat on select benches?
You would at least have the use of smugly gloating over otherwise useless hardware if that were the case
It sounds analogous to the NVME that Z97 got.
Other than that and the useable CPU list the Z97 and z87 were the same. Z87 runs edram having Crystal well just fine, just Broadwell is locked out. And I heard you could mod the z87 bios to include NVME.
And there are unused pins in the 1700/1800 socket that may get used for something?
It's been quiet on those things.

 

Videocardz posted 40616 r23 for 13900K

but the new AMD cpus have dropped and they of course will be atop the r23 standings the WR is already broken

 

cant wait till 2032 when this is like $200 with a board and ram.

 

AMD Ryzen 7 7700X 8C/16T losing to an Intel i5 12600K in Cinebench r20. Yikes!

 

AMD Ryzen 7 7700X 8C/16T losing to an Intel i5 12600K in Cinebench r20. Yikes!

Sorry, how is "scores more points in both single and multithread" losing?

Sure, it's margin of error time for both, but "losing" is misinformation. "Is level with", would be less... sensationalist.

Which means it'll come down to price.

 

Yeah, for me, I'm happy with my 5900X. For work, I'm primarily interested in the high core count CPUs, so an octocore doesn't really interest me.

 

Me too, but I'm so bad at keeping money in my pockets I really want a 7950x, just to play with the new tech, haven't even figured out what I'm going to do with my current build yet lol.

 

Looks like some new leaks have just been released on the AMD Ryzen 7 7700X and Ryzen 9 7950X. Interesting how high the clock frequencies are, single core speed lower but lower TDP, and the 7950x trailing right on the 13900k multi core score, should be all fun and games around here soon..

 

Can we STOP calling all of this "leaks"? This happens every generation now and it's by no means a leak. It's purposeful.

 

Sometimes. Well, most of the time. There is the occasional exception. AMD worked very hard - successfully - to keep EyeFinity from leaking prior to launch... but things have to be manufactured and official paperwork needs to be filed and an enterprising reporter can go digging through reams of that if they really want. Or you just need someone with access at one of the launch partners to have an axe to grind.

That said, and as an example, I never really understood the marketing barrage for Intel's GPUs - I mean, because someone in Intel obviously didn't actually think, you can buy them right now in China, and aren't subject to an NDA or embargo or anything, so the reports coming out about the A380 have been anything but inspiring.

Ryzen 7000 should be retail silicon now (or it's never coming out this year) so numbers we see probably aren't far from the truth.

 

Intel aren't very inspiring, rather small, look at their half baked attempts with NVMe M.2 and SSD's. But for example leaked rumors on the NVidia 4000 series had them reported at being power hungry, Nvidia's RTX 4080 and RTX 4070 have reportedly dropped in estimated power consumption by up to 30%, with the RTX 4080 falling to 320W, I guess they didn't want people to have to purchase a new PSU with the card as an incentive for the sales increases for their shareholders, doesn't sound too good for performance loss.