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Originally Posted by By-Tor I don't OC in Bios with my 9850 BE anymore. It seems the cores all clock diff. to eachother.

I was eager to use that application but too bad it doesn't support my chipset >.<

 

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Originally Posted by SupahSpankeh I've jsut replaced my DS4 790X Gigabyte (RMA'd it) with an Asus M3A32 MVP. The difference in build quality, performance and OC is breathtaking. Hasn't BSOD'd once yet, and while that's not exactly a high ambition to aim for with the last 2 weeks of the GB DS4 I'm happy with just that. Anyone care to summarise the likely easy OC settings from the past 11 pages? Just a clue where to start with the multiplier/RAM would be awesome. Thanks, SupahSpankeh

I would start with AMD Overdrive (AOD). This would give you an idea where you stand. I don't OC in Bios with my 9850 BE anymore. It seems the cores all clock diff. to eachother.

I would just raise the Multiplier in AOD and see how high you can get it stable at stock vcore. I clock each core alone and have more success that way.

This is what I run for everyday computing:
Core0: 3.0 ghz, Core1: 3.1 ghz, Core2: 2.8 ghz, Core3: 2.9 ghz @ 1.42 vcore

 

Hello, new to these forums but I've stumbled on this thread while looking for 9850BE OC results

I am currently running my 9850BE on an Asus Crosshair I nForce 570 @ 2.9ghz.
I'm not sure whether this can be compared to a mobo with HT 3.0 and stuff but atm I'm using a Zalman CNPS9500-AM2 (soon replaced by a Scyte Mugen) and 2 pieces of Crucial Ballistix 1GB DDR2-1066 clocked @ 800 Mhz (obviously boosted by the FSB to 928Mhz). Timings @ 5-4-4-12
I changed the HT multiplier from 5 to 4 so it doesnt go over the 1000 limit my motherboard gives me.

I've stressed it with Cinebench & 3dmark 06 so far and played several games for a few hours (CoD4, Crysis, Assassins Creed), all in Vista Ultimate 64 bit.

When i get my hands on the Scythe cooler ill go for the 3.0ghz.
Hope this information is helpfull in any way

Please share your thoughts with me, as I am also new to OC-ing.

Blace

Edit: While running Cinebench x4 benchmark it reaches 80-90 degrees celcius and quits the application as a precaution so I'm using a normal fan next to my opened case untill i get my Scythe

Idle temp is around 60 degrees now, full load about 75-80 (with the huge normal fan). So far it's looking good, I hope it gets through half a day of stress-testing later this week.

 

I've jsut replaced my DS4 790X Gigabyte (RMA'd it) with an Asus M3A32 MVP.

The difference in build quality, performance and OC is breathtaking. Hasn't BSOD'd once yet, and while that's not exactly a high ambition to aim for with the last 2 weeks of the GB DS4 I'm happy with just that.

Anyone care to summarise the likely easy OC settings from the past 11 pages? Just a clue where to start with the multiplier/RAM would be awesome.

Thanks,

SupahSpankeh

 

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Originally Posted by StormhawkAPS Alright, I've gotten 14099 Futuremarks in 3DMark06 with the 212MHz Base Bus OC. But I'm done pushing things. Every time I get the base bus over 210 (or at least the overall clock to 2650+), it seems one of my games gets corrupted (and I don't even play them usually with the OCs), and now that I've gotten a score in the 14k range, I feel I've accomplished enough and intend to keep to 2625MHz down to stock clocks- it's deciedly stable in that range and nothing gets corrupted, and the thing's fast enough as it is, I feel. I realize I must have a sub-par 9850 and/or M3A32 if they can't even manage 2650 without problems when others can get 3GHz, but they're more than enough for my needs. Maybe I'm squeamish, but I prefer to think of it as 'cautious' .. This is bleeding edge hardware, and I'm already getting my money's worth- not about to throw that money away.

Only 14k 3dmark with an X2?.. seems abit low?? ... i get 12.5 with a single 3870.. you cant get over 2.6? im runnin at 2.9 now sweet az (215x13.5) wit mem abit slower and nb freq multi on 11x.. ur board u said auto's 1.39v? .. seems abit.. my board always picks up around 1.25 i gota put it up myself.. currently on 1.325 in bios but i havnt had the need to go over 1.35 yet

 

Alright, I've gotten 14099 Futuremarks in 3DMark06 with the 212MHz Base Bus OC. But I'm done pushing things. Every time I get the base bus over 210 (or at least the overall clock to 2650+), it seems one of my games gets corrupted (and I don't even play them usually with the OCs), and now that I've gotten a score in the 14k range, I feel I've accomplished enough and intend to keep to 2625MHz down to stock clocks- it's deciedly stable in that range and nothing gets corrupted, and the thing's fast enough as it is, I feel. I realize I must have a sub-par 9850 and/or M3A32 if they can't even manage 2650 without problems when others can get 3GHz, but they're more than enough for my needs. Maybe I'm squeamish, but I prefer to think of it as 'cautious' .. This is bleeding edge hardware, and I'm already getting my money's worth- not about to throw that money away.

 

I've noticed that 3DMark06 tops off one of my cores during the Graphics Tests- always around 95-100%, while the rest seem to hover not much above the Windows average idles (During the CPU tests, all four cores are utilized properly). This is a rather unfortunate limiter on the Graphics Tests that would not be the case in a graphics-intensive, CPU-light game. I may have to lower GPU clocks to get better CPU clocks in order to score better in 3DMark06. I noticed the top system submitted for 3DMark06 has like really low-level clocks on the graphics card, and kinda wondered about that, but now I think I understand. He has over twice the score using over twice the CPU clocks. It's a proportional relation.

 

i've been playing alot more with my gfx atm.. got my 3870 today and its cranking..
gave it a benchmark...
didnt score too bad
http://service.futuremark.com/compare?3dm06=6707817

thats cpu up too and gfx at
http://www.techpowerup.com/gpuz/fxhwu/

mite my cpu cranks at 210x13.5 sweet az.. can run 215x13.5 if i lossen the ram to 5-7-7-15 2T but i still havnt found a good voltage to keep it stable for more than an hour.. plenty of time for 3dmark but i get BSOD after some time.. i cant seem to get more than 215 tho.. NB sits at 2360 fine but cant get HT above 2150.. how can i match these better?

 

I've been getting interesting results...

Currently Alshain's running at home at 2.66GHz (13x205), 2050MHz HTT, 1092MHz RAM at 5-5-5-15-22-2T. I got it to work at 2.65GHz (12.5x212 - 2120MHz HTT, 1130MHz RAM - and the BIOS automatically upped the CPU volts to 1.39/1.4v for that, but not 13x205), as well, but stability is in question (it's in question with the 2.66GHz as well, but in both instances it's stable in just Windows- 3DMark seems to push the limits and cause problems), as 3DMark had to crash the whole thing at least once before it would load proper and complete a bench, and even then I had most of the programs and 'services' disabled to make it so as few of things as possible were interfering. Got 13.9k 3DMarks in '06 with that, which is the highest I've seen it for me. I suppose I may have a board or CPU from lesser batches than the majority of you, if overclocking Alshain seems to be such a chore.

Still, this is a very engrossing practice... Poking and prodding, seeing how much one can push with their machine..

 

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Originally Posted by Hoodcom Alright, I got my new RAM installed and running Memtest on it first thing. Clocked at 1067MHz 5-5-5-15 @ 2.1Volts. TRC clock at 30, but I don't know what it should be, I remember CPUz saying the other RAM can be set at 22, I don't know about my new set.

I have my TRC at auto in bios, AOD shows it at 30... so you should be fine.

The Corsair Dominator seems to be holding good at around 1120, I had min up tp around 1140 a time or two with no noticable problems. So i think we should be fine there. I thi finally got a BSOD (usure but most likly memory) at 1134.

We'll off to try at it a bit more...

 

My RAM can run at 1120 - 1130MHz easily. So I doubt it's the RAM... I have it unganged, I tried it at 800MHz even.. I did run mem test on the RAM at first when I installed it, the RAM is perfectly good... so I honestly am unsure at this point... I'm extremely tempted to take my Phenom 9500 past 2.5GHz to see how well it will run... but I defenitelly need a better cooler on it. Reason why I am tempted... is I want to see that thing manage at least 2.8GHz... if I can push that processor to that... then something just ain't right in my current PC.

 

It seems like, for me at least, any clocks over 2.66GHz are met with resistance. I suppose voltage adjustments would help, but I'm wary of messing with them too much. I think I got 2.7-something to kinda work for a little while with upped volts, but besides that I've had little luck. Right now, I'm leaving everything on Auto besides the RAM and the Base Bus Clock (at 210- 2625MHz chip, 2100MHz NB and HT, 1120MHz Mem- still at 5-5-5-15-22-2T-2.1V - inversely, 13.0x200 works fine, but 13.5x200 isn't guaranteed to work). The memory handles clocks fine, far as I've seen (is it really right that 1066 is OC'd? I just thought it was merely that JEDEC doesn't have standards over 800, and the EPP is indeed what the memory's designed for. I know they've got 1300MHz DDR2 out there... somewhere- EDIT: I admit I'm new at this, though, so I am very likely wrong. Also, that 1300MHz DDR2 probably needs crazy-high volts that'd make the M3A32-MVPs upset). I'd have to drop the CPU multi and raise the bus to see how well, though, considering the 'ceiling' I'm hitting CPU-wise.

 

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Originally Posted by Hoodcom I tried 14x200..... failed. >> Froze at windows start up. = .......... Sheesh... the Phenom 9500 in my old PC is so much easier to overclock... From 2.2GHz to 2.45GHz now... I even done it in windows and go no problems... Maybe I will just slap a better cooler on my old PC and overclock it to 2.8GHz. = Go back to 590 NVIDIA chipset on my Asus M2N32-SLI motherboard.... This is crazy... I couldn't even overclock the Phenom 9500 in my Asus M3A32-MVP motherboard with out windows screwing up... Okay, big question... My old PC uses Windows XP 32-bit, and my current system uses Vista-64 bit... could Vista 64 bit... be more sensitive on overclocking than XP?

Hmmm, that is crazy. It could be that you got a bum board, but I doubt that. I doubt that it's Vista as well. I'm running Vista Ultimate x64 and haven't had any issues getting up to 2.8GHz on my 9850.

The other thing to keep in mind is that with the RAM already being OC'd to 1066 - it might not be able to handle getting OC'd much over what it already is.

You may want to try lowering your RAM speed down to 800MHz in the BIOS and then OCing from there. It might turn out to work better that way. Also, check your voltage on the RAM and your CPU to see if it helps any.

Give that a try and let us know how it goes.

 

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Originally Posted by Darkvette DATGUY is right, set RAM to unganged mode, and up your multi to 13.5 or 14. DDR2-1066 RAM is Super OC'd 800 stix anyway, so it might not handle the full OC @ 12.5x multi. You could try 13.5 multi and 208 FSB, would get you to 2.8. 3GHz is hard to do @ the moment, unless you have the right cooling - a Zalman 9700 won't do it properly. I have mine @ 14x200, 1066 is plenty fast for me. Let me know if you get it running like that.

I tried 14x200..... failed. >> Froze at windows start up. =\\

.......... Sheesh... the Phenom 9500 in my old PC is so much easier to overclock... From 2.2GHz to 2.45GHz now... I even done it in windows and go no problems... Maybe I will just slap a better cooler on my old PC and overclock it to 2.8GHz. =\\ Go back to 590 NVIDIA chipset on my Asus M2N32-SLI motherboard.... This is crazy... I couldn't even overclock the Phenom 9500 in my Asus M3A32-MVP motherboard with out windows screwing up...

Okay, big question... My old PC uses Windows XP 32-bit, and my current system uses Vista-64 bit... could Vista 64 bit... be more sensitive on overclocking than XP?

 

Something that may help me with tweaking settings might be to know what the defaults are... if there are specific defaults that the 'Auto' setting goes to every time, a list would be nice. Otherwise, I'll have to try and work it out through AMD OverDrive's monitoring or something... Kinda sucks most of the defaults aren't displayed, but I suppose that makes sense since most of the OC'd elements are on the CPU itself, and the motherboard mostly acts as a throughput.. I think?

 

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Originally Posted by StormhawkAPS Not a bad thing, certainly. I just chose a case that didn't have a PSU (wanted to get it separate anyway, and I also heard that cases with PSUs already installed could warp the case frame in transit- not sure if that's true, but it made sense to me).

Hmm, mine's just fine and nothing warped. I guess it depends on the case.

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Yeah.. I wasn't sure if I had to define the other timings (the main ones are CL, tRCD, tRP, tRAS, and tRC, right?), but figured I could leave them on Auto and the BIOS would work out the right values.

Yeah, those are the main ones, I leave the rest of the settings alone (on auto). When I first wanted to overclock my RAM, I didn't know how to do it at all, took me forever to finally figure it out. xD

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Yeah, that's about how I felt on their fan, as well. I mean, there is a way to secure the clamps over the adjustment wheel sections of the Asus memory cooler (basically, leave the side clamps loose, then position the cooler, and fasten it down, holding the clamps tight- with the small bends in the ends of the clamps over those round wheels and their attachment points), but I saw how much it was cutting into my Mine's airflow right away (sitting right up against it's middle fins is probably not good), and decided to forget it. There could be other options for what to do with it, though, instead of cooling the ram. If I could, I'd jury-rig it over the MOSFETs, but that's essentially as obstructive. I do have the tiny little Asus fan over that heatsink, though, and think it might have made a difference, but not sure- it certainly doesn't seem to be hurting the Mine's cooling like the Asus instructions suggested. EDIT: On the Asus pipes... It's rather 'interesting' how many people seem to not understand how to properly install them. I've read alot of comments, at least on Newegg, of people tilting their ram to manage to have the plates at least somewhat fastened over the ram, because they don't realize they can just slide the pipes back and forth to rest against the ram in its natural position. Granted, it took me a bit to figure that out from the instructions, myself, but I did get it. Just wish more people would 'get it', too.

I thought of a method on how to get the Corsair Dominator fans on the RAM, and keeping the Asus cooling on them. First one you said seems to work too, but I thought of this... Simply use plastic zip ties to tie down the Corsair Dominator RAM in place on the RAM. Tied onto the Asus memory cooler. Seems like it'd be more sturdier than the clamps. I'd do it, but since I don't want to cut off the processor cooling air flow, I won't do it. ^^; Perhaps I will when I go liquid cooling.... I'm thinking on the CoolIt System's coolers.

Those chipset blower fans? They said those can cause 'confusion' or the proper way of saying it.. umm... interfere with the CPU airflow... but I don't see how. Because on my older PC, which has an Socket AM2 AMD Athlon 64 2.4GHz processor, I had one of those blower fans on the chipset, and it never interfered with the air flow. Since I upgraded from a Phenom 9500 in my current PC to a Phenom 9850, I put the Phenom 9500 in my older system, using the cooler that came with the Phenom 9850, and it ran a lot hotter than the old AMD Athlon 64, doesn't surprise me, really, but I still have the blower fan in it... I removed it to see if it made a difference, but no... I thought it did, but it was program error in Asus Probe, I updated it, it reads the temps better now. So... really, I don't know how those optional Asus chipset fans can really interfere when it seems like it doesn't in my older PC.

 

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Originally Posted by Hoodcom I run a 1000 Watt power supply in my system, but it came with the case, as a bundle when I ordered it. Though, I know I have plenty of power when I need it. Not sure how much of it I actually use, though.

Not a bad thing, certainly. I just chose a case that didn't have a PSU (wanted to get it separate anyway, and I also heard that cases with PSUs already installed could warp the case frame in transit- not sure if that's true, but it made sense to me).

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Alright, I got my new RAM installed and running Memtest on it first thing. Clocked at 1067MHz 5-5-5-15 @ 2.1Volts. TRC clock at 30, but I don't know what it should be, I remember CPUz saying the other RAM can be set at 22, I don't know about my new set.

Yeah.. I wasn't sure if I had to define the other timings (the main ones are CL, tRCD, tRP, tRAS, and tRC, right?), but figured I could leave them on Auto and the BIOS would work out the right values.

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I won't be able to use the Corsair Dominator Fan, even if I was to remove the memory cooler Asus made, which I won't remove and will keep it on my RAM, because the Corsair Dominator Fan blocks about half my CPU fan on the Zalman cooler. So it's not worth cutting off the cooling airflow on the processor. I'm sure the RAM runs just fine on tempurature wise.

Yeah, that's about how I felt on their fan, as well. I mean, there is a way to secure the clamps over the adjustment wheel sections of the Asus memory cooler (basically, leave the side clamps loose, then position the cooler, and fasten it down, holding the clamps tight- with the small bends in the ends of the clamps over those round wheels and their attachment points), but I saw how much it was cutting into my Mine's airflow right away (sitting right up against it's middle fins is probably not good), and decided to forget it. There could be other options for what to do with it, though, instead of cooling the ram. If I could, I'd jury-rig it over the MOSFETs, but that's essentially as obstructive. I do have the tiny little Asus fan over that heatsink, though, and think it might have made a difference, but not sure- it certainly doesn't seem to be hurting the Mine's cooling like the Asus instructions suggested.

EDIT: On the Asus pipes... It's rather 'interesting' how many people seem to not understand how to properly install them. I've read alot of comments, at least on Newegg, of people tilting their ram to manage to have the plates at least somewhat fastened over the ram, because they don't realize they can just slide the pipes back and forth to rest against the ram in its natural position. Granted, it took me a bit to figure that out from the instructions, myself, but I did get it. Just wish more people would 'get it', too.

 

I run a 1000 Watt power supply in my system, but it came with the case, as a bundle when I ordered it. Though, I know I have plenty of power when I need it. Not sure how much of it I actually use, though.

Alright, I got my new RAM installed and running Memtest on it first thing. Clocked at 1067MHz 5-5-5-15 @ 2.1Volts. TRC clock at 30, but I don't know what it should be, I remember CPUz saying the other RAM can be set at 22, I don't know about my new set.

I won't be able to use the Corsair Dominator Fan, even if I was to remove the memory cooler Asus made, which I won't remove and will keep it on my RAM, because the Corsair Dominator Fan blocks about half my CPU fan on the Zalman cooler. So it's not worth cutting off the cooling airflow on the processor. I'm sure the RAM runs just fine on tempurature wise.

I am running BIOS version 1002.

I'm unsure if I should leave Memtest running for the rest of the night after one pass or not, especially with storm chances tomorrow.

 

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Originally Posted by Hoodcom Hmm, no, actually. But I did just get my new RAM in. Corsair Dominator PC2 8500 2 X 2GB DDR2, Version 1.1. I ordered it mainly to have 4GB of RAM total using only two DRAM slots. I will run mem test on them right when I install them. I doubt the current set is bad, because I've ran them at 1120MHz and at full usage with no problems... I will test them some other time then.... You did bring up a very good point... I wonder, if the RAM was a problem, that could keep the overclocking being successful too, right? Hmm, I am totally curious on the results I may get then.

I got a good set of the exact same kit. As I said, I've set it to their EPP settings (manually since the bios doesn't seem to have an EPP or similar mode- note that JEDEC standards don't actually support DDR2-1066 (PC2-8500), either, and so most of the time a motherboard will default the ram to 800... I'm not sure if this just means that the assumption that all 1066 are just OC'd 800 is false and the standards just don't support their proper speed, or if they really are 800's that are factory OC'd... I've done my homework, despite my inexperience).
Windows' Memory Diagnostics Tool says they check out. Might try one of the Memtest programs, I suppose.

Also, Unganged doesn't seem to improve my overclocking margins. I suppose I might be able to get a more stable 2.65 OC (13.0x with 204-206 base clock), but I couldn't get windows to stay running on the higher multipliers and such.

Also, oddly enough, OverDrive (I only use it for monitoring purposes) claims the memory is single-channel (I think since setting the unganged mode), while CPU-Z detects it as dual, with unganged.

Any BIOS setting recommendations for better OC headroom would be appreciated.

(power's definitely not a problem, just to clarify, as my UPS consistently tells me I'm barely using half the 750W capacity of the PSU- that is, I have yet to see a watt over 400, and the UPS is also handling the monitor's power, as minimal as it may be. I notice alot of others having 1kW PSUs, and I felt that would be a bit overboard- not to mention the 750TX has apparently showed great ability in reviews I've read, and even one review claimed how they pushed it's load up to 900W and it still had a very respectable efficiency, and I think they even said something about their building's power giving way before the PSU would, with further pushing. Sounded very robust)

 

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Originally Posted by Hoodcom Hmm, no, actually. But I did just get my new RAM in. Corsair Dominator PC2 8500 2 X 2GB DDR2, Version 1.1. I ordered it mainly to have 4GB of RAM total using only two DRAM slots. I will run mem test on them right when I install them. I doubt the current set is bad, because I've ran them at 1120MHz and at full usage with no problems... I will test them some other time then.... You did bring up a very good point... I wonder, if the RAM was a problem, that could keep the overclocking being successful too, right? Hmm, I am totally curious on the results I may get then.

mmm intesresting.. afew of my oc's wen i boot vista it gets corrupt files.. basicly just go back to default or somthing i kno boots.. and everythin boots fine after that.. which bios u running? u gone back to default settings??

 

Hmm, no, actually. But I did just get my new RAM in. Corsair Dominator PC2 8500 2 X 2GB DDR2, Version 1.1. I ordered it mainly to have 4GB of RAM total using only two DRAM slots. I will run mem test on them right when I install them. I doubt the current set is bad, because I've ran them at 1120MHz and at full usage with no problems... I will test them some other time then.... You did bring up a very good point... I wonder, if the RAM was a problem, that could keep the overclocking being successful too, right? Hmm, I am totally curious on the results I may get then.

 

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Originally Posted by Hoodcom Ack. >> It appears Linux doesn't allow me permission to add any files to my internal harddrives. = I guess I will try something.. hopefully I can get my windows back running. ;~; Can overclock attemps really corrupt a file like this when they fail?

It's not the OC attempt itself that corrupts the file. What corrupts the file is when it loads into a bad part of the RAM that's OC'd and gets saved back to the HDD in a corrupted state because of the RAM. So, it's all about your RAM. Have you tried running Memtest on it?

 

Ack. >> It appears Linux doesn't allow me permission to add any files to my internal harddrives. =\\ I guess I will try something.. hopefully I can get my windows back running. ;~;

Can overclock attemps really corrupt a file like this when they fail?

 

Huh. Ganged holds back the CPU?

Right now, I'm able to have my memory, at least, at it's EPP settings (hand-set the five specified timings, and the voltage) and it seems to run fine. Don't have much in the way of direct tests for the memory, though. I had been wondering why the CPU wouldn't go over 2.6, though.

Very new to OC'ing. Only just started with this rig.

As for the RAM... I just switched from a 4x1GB arrangement which managed the full 1066MHz by default. I switched to these so the motherboard only had to handle two modules, but found them performing at 800MHz, and when I told it to up to 1066, it set the timings to 5-7-7-24-31. Set the EPP timings and it ran fine- though that last timing keeps going one quicker than I set it. Right now, I have it set to 25, and it shows up as 24. I'll have to set it to 23 to get the proper EPP, when I get home.

 

I can't tell... I tried 13.5 x 210... no boot... 13.5 x 8... boot, but corrupted file.

That is even shown up in safe mode, even after downclocking it back and ganging the RAM again. All I still see is a black screen with the mouse... I will try the Windows Repair on the disk again... if that failes, I'll load Linux from a CD and try fixing the file myself.

Unless you guys know how to fix it and tell me. ^^;