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Mouse Wheel 'Shaft' Repair Question

973 views 17 replies 6 participants last post by  granitov  
#1 ·
Hello everyone, based on the results of this thread ( Previous Thread ), I've decided to make a more technical post about a problem I'm having with a broken mouse wheel shaft, what I've tried to repair it, and a new ideas about how to fix it. Hopefully a few of you have tried something like this before and have some insight, or just have some general feedback on my ideas to make the fix.

A Few Details:
*This is by far my favorite mouse ever.
*Mouse Model: Cooler Master Storm Recon (it has officially been discontinued)
*Unlike most wheels I've seen, this wheel is only 'flat' on one side (the 'click switch' side). The rotary switch side is actually concave because they use a circuit board extension with the small type LED light to get said light into the wheel. The design is quite clean, but it does make 'working' inside the wheel considerably difficult (and tolerances quite small).
*I personally don't exactly have a lot of tools/machinery available to me aside from scissors and hammers, so all my ideas are either what I could do personally or have 'exported' for some business to complete. That said, if you have some good idea that uses a reasonably easy to get tool, I'm all ears.

The Problem:
The shaft (on the rotary wheel side) cracked completely though, rendering the wheel unusable. See the damage here:


The fix that didn't really work out:
Basically I...
-tightly wrapped a half inch or so of paper around the broken shaft to use as a guide
-tried to place it flatly against the 'stub' of plastic inside the wheel (hard to tell by 'feel') since there isn't much there (the paper is left on since it is quite thin and sticks to the glue)
-take a bit of two part Gorilla glue and apply it to the guide shaft
-press the broken shaft down into the guide (taking care to align the 'jagged' bottoms as best as possible to minimize any length difference after the glue was added
-manually 'eyeball' whether or not the shaft was straight or not by looking at it and adjusting it with my finger, rotating it 90 degrees and doing the same
-let glue set for 24 hours

Result-> while this did appear to work, when the entire mouse shell was put back on the slight amount of wobble caused the wheel to grind against the sides of the mouse shell at certain positions, requiring a very hard 'click'. This hard click eventually caused the glue to give and I'm back where I started)

New Ideas:
1) Try the same 'fix' again
Pros: easy to do by myself, maybe I'll 'be better' at it this time?...
Cons: tolerance probably still won't be tight enough.
-probably my least favorite option.

2) Make a 3D model of the entire 'shaft part' and 3D print it using a clear-ish plastic or resin (and 'scuff it up' if the light is too bright).
Pros: should be accurate enough to fit more/less perfectly (not entirely sure what the tolerance on the 'rotary switch side' would need to be since it may require 6-16 slots to interface properly).
Cons: I'm really not sure how to remove the shaft 'nub' and other side of this thing...I'm not sure if it is pressure fit or glued into the larger wheel (or is actually one single piece and includes the wheel itself), but I don't think bashing it with a hammer would work.
-a great option -if- I could figure out how to remove the current shaft (otherwise I would probably need to make the entire wheel (not impossible, just more work).


3) Instead of using a floppy paper 'guide', make the guide out of 3D printed material.
Pros: simple to make.
Cons: even if it works, the glue may not be strong enough to hold. Not quite sure how to use the guide without it becoming stuck to the glue (or how to remove it without 'tilting' the shaft)...
-perhaps the most practical.

If anyone has tried something like this before / or just has some feedback on my ideas (perhaps you've done something generally related to them before) would be greatly appreciated.
 
#3 ·
Place the lighting PCB at the encoder's side -> longer distance between encoder and the wheel body, plus a thin hex shaft -> gg Cooler Master.

I'm almost certainly sure you can't remove the shaft, as the wheel almost certainly looks like a single piece of plastic.

If you had a high precision printer then printing an entire wheel would be quite doable (remove the rubber collar end measure the wheel). Most likely would require several attempts, as making shaft a bit thinner would lead to rattling, a bit thicker - too much friction. Could also experiment on barrel's width to give yourself more room for errors.

For fitting the broken part back I see 3 options:
1. use a glue and try fitting by hand like you did (this time preferrably use a two-component epoxy glue, as creates a firm joint, be sure to put a small blob on the center so it won't break easily);
2. make a through needle guide (you'll need to drill a small hole right through the centers of both shafts - that'd be hell of a task);
3. the most viable option - 3d-print a guide (a thick ring, outer d equals the wheel's inner d, inner d equals shaft's outer d; leave some space for glue).
 
#6 ·
Hang on, does this wheel need that hollow space.. if not, just dull up the shaft with some sand paper and fill that whole cavity with 2 part epoxy..

you want to superglue the shaft on first for alignment. then pour the epoxy
 
#7 ·
First off, thank you everyone for your ideas, based on your feedback here is what I'm thinking:

M1st:
Indeed, I am aware that there will be 'requirements' from Shapeways (or whichever company) to makes sure the design meets all their requirements and tolerances.

granitov:
"use a glue and try fitting by hand like you did (this time preferrably use a two-component epoxy glue, as creates a firm joint, be sure to put a small blob on the center so it won't break easily);"
-Probably will try this one more time.

"make a through needle guide (you'll need to drill a small hole right through the centers of both shafts - that'd be hell of a task);"
-Yeah I figured, last resort only territory there.

"the most viable option - 3d-print a guide (a thick ring, outer d equals the wheel's inner d, inner d equals shaft's outer d; leave some space for glue)."
-still a bit shaky on that since 'leaving space for glue' could end up making the wheel wobble again no? Perhaps if I have enough clearance between the PCB and the shaft I could just make a thin guide and 'glue both the new guide and old shaft in place? I don't think I'll have more than 1mm or so of clearance though (if that).

daniel0731ex:
-I'll look into it, thanks.

tp4tissue:
"does this wheel need that hollow space"
-It does, the design uses the space to house a circuit board extension.
 
#8 ·
Quote:
Originally Posted by boddole View Post

-still a bit shaky on that since 'leaving space for glue' could end up making the wheel wobble again no?
Meant space between the form and the wheel. Like that (or whatever else option):



If you have an access to a 3D printer that seems pretty easy, just make sure it isn't either too stiff or too loose (so the shaft is both well-centered and won't break when you pull the form out).
 
#9 ·
I'm sorry, but the fact there's a chamber specified to "insert shaft" with a reservoir of "glue" at the end of said passage is somewhat unsettling.
 
#10 ·
Well, it could be not entirely clear (shape and dimensions are for reference only), as it's not meant to be a reservoir but rather a buffer to safely put a small amount of glue inside. Put a small blob of glue, install the form, fit the shaft inside the form.

Glue shouldn't touch the yellow form; probably should've drawn a bigger "chamber".
 
#11 ·
Quite interesting, I made a quick 3D mock-up (let me know what you think about it conceptually). I also wasn't quite sure about your "Pull using these after drying" comment, so I just made some 'extensions' which in my mind you can either use to 'twist' or 'pull up' on the guide after drying. Additionally I suppose I could line the inside of the guide with paper (or whatever) for more security in preventing any glue from getting on the form.

Side notes:
-The 'green' part is just the 'nub' left from the break on the inside of the wheel.
-I could even made the guide out of some clear resin material so I could more/less see inside the guide as well to make sure everything looks to be setting correctly.







 
#12 ·
Think that'll do, though I'd shorten the shaft guide hub a bit to avoid all the paper mess, etc. I think a bit of glue should disperse on the wheel surface (where the nub is) to make a stronger joint, I'd not limit the glue flow with paper guides or whatever.
 
#13 ·
" I think a bit of glue should disperse on the wheel surface "
-I actually had a big problem with this the first time around. The clearance is so small that the PCB was actually grinding against the glue on the inside of the wheel. I ended up having the chip the glue off with a screwdriver (probably used too much glue)... But overall your point is well taken, sounds like a plan.
 
#15 ·
Tried to take a picture of the PCB, camera can't handle close-ups well enough...But it looks like the RGB LED is about 1-2 mm from the edge, and on the reverse side, the wires for it terminate almost exactly on the edge. Would it still be safe to file (and what tool would you recommend? Metal File, Sandpaper, something else?) ?
 
#16 ·
Check where the traces are located and avoid damaging them. Besides, those decorative LED PCBs are usually one-sided (I assume traces are located on top, where the LED is), so if it is you could also shave the other side safely, reducing the board's thickness. Use a rotary tool of any kind, or a needle file and a 300-500 grit sandpaper if you're extra careful. After all, you could manually rewire the LED (or throw it away, as it's decorative).
 
#17 ·
I took some photos again (apparently using less light works better), and I'll just post them so you can look at them and see if anything jumps out at you as far as how 'safe' it would be to fill it down: