[LukeJoseph]

I'll try out the tests you mention, but I am curious- would not a dead pump be visible to HWInfo? i.e., would the RPM not report 0?

Edit: OK, definitely leaning toward intermittent failure of the pump or an obstruction within. Even at PL1 = PL 2 = 125W it throttled on a 10min cinebench a couple times. Pinning the pump speed to 100% seems to help but not solve the problem. There is a definite temperature differential between the tubes, and listening closely reveals some concerning noises. There still appears to be very little heat dispersed from the 2nd and 3rd fan on the radiator.

My Corsair didn't. It reported it was running a the correct RPM, but sure enough the pump was dead. Idle was "fine" (a bit higher) but as soon as I would run anything under load instant crazy high temps. Replaced the AIO and it was good to go.

 

[PoizenJam]

It was absolutely a dead pump. I swapped it out for a cheap-as-heck AK400 that I had lying around for a test bench cooler. Had to enforce all limits for power draw but otherwise the system is functioning normally. No longer pinging off 100C just by browsing.

Unfortunately, because of a holiday in China I have to wait until March 1st to submit an RMA to Lian Li for a replacement

 

[LukeJoseph]

Hey,

does anyone know where I can find the AC_LL and DC_LL Values for LLC Impedance for ASUS ROG Strix Z690-F Gaming Wifi Mainboard? Searched in the manual but did not find anything.

Thanks

To the best of my knowledge, there isn't a "set" AC_LL value. But for DC_LL I believe your board should have the same impedance table as my Strix 690-E and Maximus boards.

LLC1: 1.75 milliohms
LLC2: 1.46 milliohms
LLC3: 1.1 milliohms
LLC4: 0.98 milliohms
LLC5: 0.73 milliohms
LLC6: 0.49 milliohms
LLC7: 0.24 milliohms
LLC8: 0.01 milliohms

You can try to verify this using OCTool. Set your DC_LL to Auto in the BIOS, open up OCTool and then I believe it's under the Intel then Monitoring menu (I am not at my PC at the moment). It will show your DC_LL value.

 

[GeertCu]

ROG MAXIMUS Z690 Series Beta Bios 2303

I'm reading the whole thread, but haven't found a beta BIOS for the Z690-I Gaming? (the small ITX one, I'm building a SFF rig)

 

[LukeJoseph]

Thanks! Will do this. I am testing currently and found my DL_LL at 0.68 with LLC4. So it is better to use LLC5 instead? Or can I stay at LLC4?

Your current AC_LL correct? Your DC_LL shouldn't be adjusted that much at LLC4, unless of course your board has a different impedance table.

If it is indeed AC_LL then yeah, I would probably jump up to LLC 5.

 

[LukeJoseph]

Hey @LukeJoseph , thanks for your answer.

I am on AC_LL 0.17 and DC_LL on 0.68 on LLC4. I was starting with LLC4 and DC_LL 1.00 and then wanted to balance VCore and Core VID. Balanced now at 1.17-1.18 V on high load (CB R23). Then I adjusted AC_LL as low as possible. Ended up with AC 0.17. Is this the way to go? The balancing progress got me down so much with the DC_LL. The Z790 has bound the LLC to the DC_LL...so maybe the step of balancing out is wrong?
View attachment 2602628
(just found out that HWInfo shows the AC_DLL and DC_LL as well)

If I set DC_LL to "Auto" it shows "0.98" as in your provided values above. Fixed it manually for 0.98 now.

View attachment 2602635

Intel i9 13900K & ASUS Roq Strix Z690 F.
In Bios I have Short and Long Power Limits at 253 Watts and IA VR Voltage Limit: 1700. That’s all. My goal is to get the temps under 90 Degrees Celsius and a stable system


From Asus Maximus Z790 Extreme and Intel i9-13900k - A tuning...

So VID = VCore at full load... This would be DC_LL 0.68 and AC_LL 0.17 here.

Would another LLC make sense then? Or should I go now from this DC_LL 0.98 and reduce AC_LL until not stable (No "balancing-out-step")? Or would a normal undervolt (adaptive negative offset) be better?

Ahhh I didn't know that HWInfo shows that info as well. That's awesome.

Yeah so unfortunately you can't really balance/tune your DC_LL since your motherboard only has socket sense (inaccurate) and not die-sense (accurate) to detect voltage. I would probably just leave it on .98 or Auto and go from there. It won't be perfect, but it will be much closer to accurate than your "tuned" .68 setting.

Start over with .98/Auto on DC_LL .

 

[Carlyle2020]

Yes

If i understand correctly these two values in hwinfo should also align:

IA Cores Power = VRM Vcore Power

 

[jamieboo]

So now, after quite a number of revisions, what might be considered the best of these BIOS's?
I have a z690 Tuf Gaming Plus Wifi D4 and a 12700K, and I'm on 1304.
Many months ago I briefly updated to 1504 but it wasn't as good so I rolled back to 1304.
Performance is kind of ok, although I always suspect it could be better. But there have been such mixed reports of later bios that I'm reluctant to update, especially with the frequent lack of rollback functionality. And also I have 128GB DDR4 Ram (4x32GB) and I know that amount can cause sensitivity.

So, for the motherboard and amount of RAM I have, what Bios might you learned folk recommend?
Or maybe I should just stick with 1304?

Let me know what you think.

Thanks

 

[.667270]

So now, after quite a number of revisions, what might be considered the best of these BIOS's?
I have a z690 Tuf Gaming Plus Wifi D4 and a 12700K, and I'm on 1304.
Many months ago I briefly updated to 1504 but it wasn't as good so I rolled back to 1304.
Performance is kind of ok, although I always suspect it could be better. But there have been such mixed reports of later bios that I'm reluctant to update, especially with the frequent lack of rollback functionality. And also I have 128GB DDR4 Ram (4x32GB) and I know that amount can cause sensitivity.

So, for the motherboard and amount of RAM I have, what Bios might you learned folk recommend?
Or maybe I should just stick with 1304?

Let me know what you think.

Thanks

If it works the way it is now don’t dink with it. 1403 with 12700kf worked fine till I changed to a ks then I had to update. I think if you update to 1700 or later bios you can not flash back. So it doesn’t work for you after you are hooped.

 

[LukeJoseph]

Hey @LukeJoseph

Thanks for your answer! So LLC4, DC_LL 0.98 and then AC_LL 0.2? Then bringing VCore and CoreVID to approximately same values? Then lower AC_LL as much as I can to be stable? Is that the steps?

Sorry it took me so long to respond.

No, if I am following what you're saying correctly, "Then bringing VCore and CoreVID to approximately same values?" is something you cannot do due to your board using socket sense to detect VCore as opposed to die sense. Socket sense will always report a higher Vcore. It's inaccurate. So the best you can do is just set it to Auto (or .98 for LLC 4).

I mean "technically" you can do it, but your DC_LL will need to be adjusted so far out of spec (like your .68) is going to throw everything else off.

So your process should be:

Set DC_LL to Auto/.98 (For LLC 4). Set AC_LL .20 and start running your stability tests. Lower AC_LL till unstable then raise a little bit. If AC_LL .20 is unstable then raise that till .30, if .30 is unstable then you might need to go to LLC 5.

Even with your VCore reading being inaccurate you still will want to takes notes of it during testing. Just to use it for your own reference.

 

[LukeJoseph]

Hey @LukeJoseph, thanks for your answer and don't worry about the "long time to respond". We are doing this in our free time and I appreciate your help , Thanks.

I am currently running with AC_LL 0.18 and DC_LL 0.98 and my tests for stability have been okay since here. I am a software developer and when I let tests for my workspace run this gets the PC more stressed than CB23, because there are a lot of drops and peaks when picking up a project to test and dropping one if it's finished in the workspace ;-) . Funny when I found that out. But temps are better checked with CB 23 or Prime95.

In the (inaccurate) values in the table above you can see I run with a delta of 0.060 which I think I have to live with. As long as the system is stable, this is fine for me.

Yesterday I switched the fans in the back of the case to better ones and my temperatures dropped by approx 5 degrees Celsius further. One fan on the top is still missing, but had no ARGB-Slots and Fan-Slots free anymore

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I am around 30 when normal working with it, below 90 when full load. That is absolutely fine for me, but will check that in the next days.



Just for my understanding. This is because the board does not support it, is that correct? I would have to buy another board to read die-sense. But with this board, I can not fix this, right?

Thanks for your help, really appreciate it.

Sounds good! Yeah for sure. Just stick with your AC_LL .18 and DC_LL .98 and run it for a while and see what happens I am not a huge fan of just using CB23 and saying the system is stable. As I don't feel like it puts enough of a load on the system. Sounds like you have a testing process that's working well for you though

But yes, unfortunately, the Z690 Strix line doesn't have die-sense capabilities. Need to step up to the Maximus line. Although I have read reports that the Z790-E (DDR5) Strix does have die-sense. I wouldn't say it's exactly worth it, unless you're just wanting to upgrade. But I wouldn't do a board swap just for die-sense.

 

[Zyther]

Anyone got a list of bios settings to change from default for optimisation of little like disabling VMX etc

 

[joyzao]

Guys, I'm trying in every way to activate the high dram voltage mode on my z690 tuf but I can't, whenever I activate the bios it doesn't go up, any tips?

I tried in all ways, increasing other voltages, but just activate the high dram voltage mode that the bios does not go up.

Thanks

 

[dyanikoglu]

Guys, I'm trying in every way to activate the high dram voltage mode on my z690 tuf but I can't, whenever I activate the bios it doesn't go up, any tips?

I tried in all ways, increasing other voltages, but just activate the high dram voltage mode that the bios does not go up.

Thanks

get a msi board, problem solved.

 

[sblantipodi]

get a msi board, problem solved.

I confirm.
After a year passed trying to figure out why my pc hangs on boot when using icue, I simply bought a new MSI board and all problems has vanished.

I still have my z690 Extreme getting the dust because it keeps hanging on detecting memory on boot even at stock settings if I use Corsair icue with Corsair dominator memory.

Just another useless and expensive product from Asus

 

[killer01ws6]

I think if I had noticed or had the foresight to grab a pic and zoom it right when it happened, before seating the CPU and tightening the frame again I might have saved her.. but you can see I did more than just move it a bit, seating the frame did a bit of smashing on it. I am sending it to ASUS dude said they would fix it.. I know they will not, they will say you bent the pin, which is what I lead with on the RMA.. but if they send it back, I will maybe ebay it and someone with a better work bench and skills can revive her.. was a sweet board!

Just to follow up and give Props to Asus.
I did have to pay 120.00 but they replaced my board and kept my warranty, so all in all a good deal.. IF I had thought that might have been the outcome I might have waited on the Z790 replacement lol.

 

[joyzao]

get a msi board, problem solved.

I have option to get a Z790 Aorus Elite Ax or Z790 Aero G Gigabyte would be a good choice to replace the z690 asus tuf? Or is it silly to make this switch? I didn't like the asus bios.

 

[jianfeng0510]

Anyone knows what the WHEA-LOGGER EVENT ID 3 means ?

Im not able to find any single one on the internet, non on google search, non reddit, no where....

It shows sometimes on boot only, nothing happens nothing strange.

Saying like this:
Hardware event. More info its describbed on the event.
Its triggered as a event Information, not a error or warning.

I apreciate if somebody knows about it or can find more info cuz for me google dont want want to show me any single result about it.

Have you solved this problem now? I have the same problem.

 

[jianfeng0510]

Anyone knows what the WHEA-LOGGER EVENT ID 3 means ?

Im not able to find any single one on the internet, non on google search, non reddit, no where....

It shows sometimes on boot only, nothing happens nothing strange.

Saying like this:
Hardware event. More info its describbed on the event.
Its triggered as a event Information, not a error or warning.

I apreciate if somebody knows about it or can find more info cuz for me google dont want want to show me any single result about it.

Did you use the Thermalright LGA1700-BCF?

 

[Papusan]

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