[massivex]

after weeks and weeks of trying beta bios, and many other things at msi customer services request, they just wouldnt admit they ****ed up, told me to rma board, its not just me, ive spent the last 3 hours trying again to tune my g.skill 7200 ram to 7200, its close but the best i have is 7000 with timings stable

Will be home in half a day, will first test if the Kingston 7200c36 XMP kit even works out of the box. If not, then will try and stabilize 7000. Figuring 6800c34 manually on my 5600 M-Die was simple, easily found the minimum stable CPU VDD2, CPU VDDQ and SA.

I'll have to first see if I can RMA the boars through Amazon, and if not then perhaps through MSI. But if not, I guess I'll just stay with it, I'll probably loose too much money trying to sell it 2nd hand, and then buy a new refresh board.

 

[wevsky]

Will be home in half a day, will first test if the Kingston 7200c36 XMP kit even works out of the box. If not, then will try and stabilize 7000. Figuring 6800c34 manually on my 5600 M-Die was simple, easily found the minimum stable CPU VDD2, CPU VDDQ and SA.

I'll have to first see if I can RMA the boars through Amazon, and if not then perhaps through MSI. But if not, I guess I'll just stay with it, I'll probably loose too much money trying to sell it 2nd hand, and then buy a new refresh board.

Msi will tell you to go thru the guy you bought it from, well they did me.

 

[massivex]

Msi will tell you to go thru the guy you bought it from, well they did me.

Alrighty then I will be contacting Amazon. I'm now working on getting 7000 to work for starters with the A-Die I got now and from there I'll bump it to up 7200.
Could you please do me a favor? Since you already have 7000 stable, could you kindly check what would be the minimum CPU VDD2 needed to pass 10minutes+ for OCCT Large Data FFT? No need to do the full hour...
For me it's currently 1.28v for 6800 is the minimum fully stable, and as I'm testing right now 1.35v has gotten me 10minutes into OCCT, anything lower crashed under a minute, so I assume I'd probably need at least 1.36v for full stability. Anyhow, if you ever can be bothered to check it for me then you could simply use MSI Dragon Power and change the VDD2 within Windows without having to go back to BIOS every time. Thanks a lot in advance!

I'm telling you I could pass 6800 with VDD2 1.15v all day. I'm %99 certain that things started to get messed up after I ran Y-Cruncher VT3 overnight for 360+ iterations on Auto voltages for the IMC.

 

[wevsky]

Alrighty then I will be contacting Amazon. I'm now working on getting 7000 to work for starters with the A-Die I got now and from there I'll bump it to up 7200.
Could you please do me a favor? Since you already have 7000 stable, could you kindly check what would be the minimum CPU VDD2 needed to pass 10minutes+ for OCCT Large Data FFT? No need to do the full hour...
For me it's currently 1.28v for 6800 is the minimum fully stable, and as I'm testing right now 1.35v has gotten me 10minutes into OCCT, anything lower crashed under a minute, so I assume I'd probably need at least 1.36v for full stability. Anyhow, if you ever can be bothered to check it for me then you could simply use MSI Dragon Power and change the VDD2 within Windows without having to go back to BIOS every time. Thanks a lot in advance!

I'm telling you I could pass 6800 with VDD2 1.15v all day. I'm %99 certain that things started to get messed up after I ran Y-Cruncher VT3 overnight for 360+ iterations on Auto voltages for the IMC.

im using cpu vdd2 at 1,400, cpu sa 1.220, drams at 1.430 , that passes 30 mins occt and TM5 with absolute config file

was testing 7200 earlier and went down to 1.380 cpu vdd2 but it no like that

 

[massivex]

im using cpu vdd2 at 1,400, cpu sa 1.220, drams at 1.430 , that passes 30 mins occt and TM5 with absolute config file

was testing 7200 earlier and went down to 1.380 cpu vdd2 but it no like that

Is that CPU VDD2 at 1.4v for 7000? So far, testing 7000 now, 1.35v ended crashing OCCT at 12min. Now running 1.36v 20minutes+, hopefully it will pass the full hour.
Were you saying that 1.38v didn't work for 7200 or also for 7000? I didn't fully understood what you meant.
My question is did you ever try to pass 7000 at say like 1.25v or 1.3v VDD2?

 

[wevsky]

Is that CPU VDD2 at 1.4v for 7000? So far, testing 7000 now, 1.35v ended crashing OCCT at 12min. Now running 1.36v 20minutes+, hopefully it will pass the full hour.
Were you saying that 1.38v didn't work for 7200 or also for 7000? I didn't fully understood what you meant.
My question is did you ever try to pass 7000 at say like 1.25v or 1.3v VDD2?

cpu vdd2 i always leave on 1.400 but while testing 7200 i tried 1.380 and it errored quickly, from what you are describing it sounds like cpu sa you are adjusting ? not cpu vdd2 ?

 

[massivex]

cpu vdd2 i always leave on 1.400 but while testing 7200 i tried 1.380 and it errored quickly, from what you are describing it sounds like cpu sa you are adjusting ? not cpu vdd2 ?

I am currently only adjusting the CPU VDD2 and nothing else. The minimum CPU VDD2 I need to pass 1 hour of OCCT/Large FFT/AVX2/Extreme preset is 1.36v. I'm using a fan at ~650RPM just to chill the RAM a bit, it's currently at 52/53c during OCCT.
Your 7200 attempt may have errored due to other reasons perhaps? I'm not sure, I will test 7200 soon.
For SA, to be honest, the minimum stable only needed 0.86v to pass 6800c34 with tuned subtiming, and for 7000 I assume it's not going to be much higher. I have it at 1.1v for now.
I was just wondering if you could pass OCCT for 7000 with say CPU VDD2 at 1.25v~1.30v, that's all, thanks

Edit: I'm on the latest H8 BIOS and I can't seem to get 7000 to pass OCCT on both of the A-Die kits.

 

[owlsvn]

@massivex @wevsky I have something interesting you can try, today I flashed the latest bios from MSI which is the H8, and it sucks, my old settings is not stable. While flashing back to H7, I remember the unikoshardware custom bios, I flash their latest modded bios for Tomahawk D5 ( be aware about safety ), H85 something , and surprised!, Ram is stable ( in my own terms ) at 7600 with compiling code and stress test my games ( cs2, dota2, fc24 ... ), the ram never passed the compiling code test from me before at 7200. I think you should give it a try, current settings for ram ( A-die KLEVV kit ) 7600 SA 1.22, VDDQ 1.4, VDD2 1.32,Ram voltage 1.42, Timing: 34 -45 - 45 - 96 tREFI 65535
Professional user Bios,attention to the date – Google Drive link getting from G.SKILL Trident Z5 RGB DDR5-7200 with MSI MPG Z790 EDGE WIFI overclocking test | UNIKO's Hardware (unikoshardware.com)

 

[massivex]

@massivex @wevsky I have something interesting you can try, today I flashed the latest bios from MSI which is the H8, and it sucks, my old settings is not stable. While flashing back to H7, I remember the unikoshardware custom bios, I flash their latest modded bios for Tomahawk D5 ( be aware about safety ), H85 something , and surprised!, Ram is stable ( in my own terms ) at 7600 with compiling code and stress test my games ( cs2, dota2, fc24 ... ), the ram never passed the compiling code test from me before at 7200. I think you should give it a try, current settings for ram ( A-die KLEVV kit ) 7600 SA 1.22, VDDQ 1.4, VDD2 1.32,Ram voltage 1.42, Timing: 34 -45 - 45 - 96 tREFI 65535
Professional user Bios,attention to the date – Google Drive link getting from G.SKILL Trident Z5 RGB DDR5-7200 with MSI MPG Z790 EDGE WIFI overclocking test | UNIKO's Hardware (unikoshardware.com)

Huge rep to you mate! First of all, when I flashed H85 (when it was available from the MSI site, now it's not anymore), I managed to get the best subtimings I ever could with lower IMC voltages, all while the 5600c46 M-Die was fully stable at 6800 34-41-16-40-28 at 68c during stress testing without any need for any active cooling. But a few days ago I decided to try H8 and it seems that by default it needs higher voltages, and as of right now I just couldn't seem to get 7000 to pass with both green sticks 5600 A-Die and 7200c38 Kingston kit on H8.

Thanks a lot for the Google Drive link! I don't know if the H85U1 is any different than the H85 that was posted previously (gone now) on MSI's web site but I will give the H85U1 a try right now! Also, it's amazing how in that review he passes 7600... and that was with H41U1, so if things don't work out with H85U1, I'll try H41U1.
Thanks!!!

 

[owlsvn]

Huge rep to you mate! First of all, when I flashed H85 (when it was available from the MSI site, now it's not anymore), I managed to get the best subtimings I ever could with lower IMC voltages, all while the 5600c46 M-Die was fully stable at 6800 34-41-16-40-28 at 68c during stress testing without any need for any active cooling. But a few days ago I decided to try H8 and it seems that by default it needs higher voltages, and as of right now I just couldn't seem to get 7000 to pass with both green sticks 5600 A-Die and 7200c38 Kingston kit on H8.

Thanks a lot for the Google Drive link! I don't know if the H85U1 is any different than the H85 that was posted previously (gone now) on MSI's web site but I will give the H85U1 a try right now! Also, it's amazing how in that review he passes 7600... and that was with H41U1, so if things don't work out with H85U1, I'll try H41U1.
Thanks!!!

yeah I think the modded bios is modified to his max 7600, I tried 7800 instant crash. I think if the modder plays more with the mainboard, they might do even more, at least on par with other board considering all of these boards from MSI is well built. Try and report if it's better for u as well.
Not only it's better with Ram OC but also CPU ( requires less voltage compared to H7, H8 is quite bad )

 

[massivex]

yeah I think the modded bios is modified to his max 7600, I tried 7800 instant crash. I think if the modder plays more with the mainboard, they might do even more, at least on par with other board considering all of these boards from MSI is well built. Try and report if it's better for u as well.
Not only it's better with Ram OC but also CPU ( requires less voltage compared to H7, H8 is quite bad )

I just flashed H85U1, without a doubt it's a user modded BIOS because I can finally tweak RAM voltages over 1.435v from within MSI Dragon Power app (yaaaay!!!), just this silver lining is a blessing in itself. The Kingston 7200 XMP (38-44-44-102) seemed to fail within under a minute on Auto voltages (VDD2 1.4v, VDDQ 1.4V, SA 1.3v but I lowered to 1.25v). I tried 7200 38-46-46 and it still failed under a minute. As for now, I'm trying to at least see if 7000 is doable on the H85U1 bios. If 7000 Passes, I'll try 7200 again, it might need higher VDD2 than Auto (1.4v), but at least if 7000 passes it would be a good baseline to work from.

I might also try H41U1 down the road since it's the one used in the Edge review. Where do you even find those modded BIOSes? How was I supposed to have known or hear about these? Thanks again.

Edit: Were you saying in your post that both H7 and H8 weren't very good releases? If that's the case then which of the Edge/Tomahawk BIOS releases were at least decent? H6?

 

[wevsky]

I am currently only adjusting the CPU VDD2 and nothing else. The minimum CPU VDD2 I need to pass 1 hour of OCCT/Large FFT/AVX2/Extreme preset is 1.36v. I'm using a fan at ~650RPM just to chill the RAM a bit, it's currently at 52/53c during OCCT.
Your 7200 attempt may have errored due to other reasons perhaps? I'm not sure, I will test 7200 soon.
For SA, to be honest, the minimum stable only needed 0.86v to pass 6800c34 with tuned subtiming, and for 7000 I assume it's not going to be much higher. I have it at 1.1v for now.
I was just wondering if you could pass OCCT for 7000 with say CPU VDD2 at 1.25v~1.30v, that's all, thanks

Edit: I'm on the latest H8 BIOS and I can't seem to get 7000 to pass OCCT on both of the A-Die kits.

i use 1.200 for 6800 and 1.220 sa for 7000, if i get back on the ram in the morning ill try, but going down as low as 1.380 on cpu vdd2 caused errors in 3 minutes 38, so higher for me works better, but i could try it on my stable profiles

 

[wevsky]

@massivex @wevsky I have something interesting you can try, today I flashed the latest bios from MSI which is the H8, and it sucks, my old settings is not stable. While flashing back to H7, I remember the unikoshardware custom bios, I flash their latest modded bios for Tomahawk D5 ( be aware about safety ), H85 something , and surprised!, Ram is stable ( in my own terms ) at 7600 with compiling code and stress test my games ( cs2, dota2, fc24 ... ), the ram never passed the compiling code test from me before at 7200. I think you should give it a try, current settings for ram ( A-die KLEVV kit ) 7600 SA 1.22, VDDQ 1.4, VDD2 1.32,Ram voltage 1.42, Timing: 34 -45 - 45 - 96 tREFI 65535
Professional user Bios,attention to the date – Google Drive link getting from G.SKILL Trident Z5 RGB DDR5-7200 with MSI MPG Z790 EDGE WIFI overclocking test | UNIKO's Hardware (unikoshardware.com)

sadly my carbon board wont entertain 7600, i tried 7400 since the latest bios and its just not good, ive sunk hours into 7200 lately and its close but still wont stick, i may look at this modded bios, but mines working well at 7000 , so i may just leave it as it is

 

[massivex]

Was too tired last night to continue testing but will be doing so today
With the Kingston XMP 7200C38 RAM, when attempting 7400, nothing seemed to work, it would virtually crash instantly, and I tried some pretty high voltages and both BIOS versions H85U1 and H41U1.
So I ditched the Kingston RAM and switched to the Korean green OEM 5600C46 sticks and I'm now at least 5 minutes into stress testing at 7400, that's already a huge progress.

@wevsky @owlsvn
What do you say boys?! A bit too early to get a hope?! Just some preliminary testing @7400 with loose Primary and Auto subtimings.

 

[wevsky]

Was too tired last night to continue testing but will be doing so today
With the Kingston XMP 7200C38 RAM, when attempting 7400, nothing seemed to work, it would virtually crash instantly, and I tried some pretty high voltages and both BIOS versions H85U1 and H41U1.
So I ditched the Kingston RAM and switched to the Korean green OEM 5600C46 sticks and I'm now at least 5 minutes into stress testing at 7400, that's already a huge progress.

@wevsky @owlsvn
What do you say boys?! A bit too early to get a hope?! Just some preliminary testing @7400 with loose Primary and Auto subtimings.
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if its passed occt for 60 minutes, i usually run 30 minutes then TM5 with absolute cfg file, then id say you are half way there

i tried 7400 with my 7000 timings and adjusted voltages on carbon board and got no where near that long in occt

 

[massivex]

if its passed occt for 60 minutes, i usually run 30 minutes then TM5 with absolute cfg file, then id say you are half way there

i tried 7400 with my 7000 timings and adjusted voltages on carbon board and got no where near that long in occt

No worries mate I'll eventually run TM5 and HCI. I started from scratch with loose primary timings just to check if the higher memory frequency is even feasible. At least I know the green sticks that I'm using do 7800C34 on my friend's Apex so they should be fine.
It almost finished an hour @7400, I'll try 7600 next and if 7600 passes, I'll work the primary and subtimings. For what it's worth my VDD2 is at 1.43v for 7400, and I'm keeping the RAM cooled under 50c.

Update: 7600 is an absolute no go. 7400 failed OCCT at the 58 minute mark, but my VDD2 voltage was right on the edge, so I assume it just needs a little bump. Gonna try now to get 7400c34 to work.

 

[wevsky]

No worries mate I'll eventually run TM5 and HCI. I started from scratch with loose primary timings just to check if the higher memory frequency is even feasible. At least I know the green sticks that I'm using do 7800C34 on my friend's Apex so they should be fine.
It almost finished an hour @7400, I'll try 7600 next and if 7600 passes, I'll work the primary and subtimings. For what it's worth my VDD2 is at 1.43v for 7400, and I'm keeping the RAM cooled under 50c.

Update: 7600 is an absolute no go. 7400 failed OCCT at the 58 minute mark, but my VDD2 voltage was right on the edge, so I assume it just needs a little bump. Gonna try now to get 7400c34 to work.

Remind me, what board you are on now ? is it carbon?

 

[massivex]

Remind me, what board you are on now ? is it carbon?

I'm on the Z790 Tomahawk D5. The modded bios that @owlsvn posted in this reply made all the difference. Here is the link to the list of BIOS mods, they have your board in there as well. Did you try one of the BIOS mods for your boards? I downloaded the latest version posted there for the Tomahawk.

 

[wevsky]

I'm on the Z790 Tomahawk D5. The modded bios that @owlsvn posted in this reply made all the difference. Here is the link to the list of BIOS mods, they have your board in there as well. Did you try one of the BIOS mods for your boards? I downloaded the latest version posted there for the Tomahawk.
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im kind of dubious updating bios again, my 7000 is stable on this, i suppose i could give it a try
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[massivex]

im kind of dubious updating bios again, my 7000 is stable on this, i suppose i could give it a try
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I save my settings on a USB stick, and reload them whenever needed, so it's no biggie swapping BIOSes back and forth.
When you say "this", which BIOS version are on right now?
Anyway no risk no reward. Give it a try!

Edit: @wevsky Just a heads up, I'm currently testing 7400 34-45-45-45-115, with Auto subtimings. So far the minimum CPU VDD2 needed to get things started is 1.43v. In terms of DRAM VDD/VDDQ, I have them both on 1.46v for now, albeit they might be able to do with a bit less voltage. If I make it to %1000+ on HCI, I'll start working on the subtimings.