[makc.pst]

Like I wouldn't mind shelling out the extra for the 9950X3D but every voice in my head is telling me not to be so stupid? lol.

You can pin some background processes on the second chiplet, including driver processes, using ProcessLasso, this will give a little more fps

 

[Puneet724]

My one of the daily ones

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On 9800x3d does it matter if i choose over 8000cl34 over 6000cl26? I have gone with 8000 just because of leas vsoc usage.. no other reason..use case is gaming

 

[SomeTimeLike]

You could compare the stock 9950x3d and 9800x3d e.g. in CS 2 at 1080p and see if it makes sense to pay extra.

1080p low settings, stock, only CO, ram 6400C28

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Could you make this test with full max oc as well as manual per core and a ram 6600 and process lasso with ccd0 for a game and retest the cs2 test

 

[Tatili]

If one's goal is simply getting the absolute most FPS @ 1080p for use with a high refresh rate 540hz+ monitor with the only intent for the machine being gaming, is the 9800X3D the only way to go?
Like I wouldn't mind shelling out the extra for the 9950X3D but every voice in my head is telling me not to be so stupid? lol.

I would better listen my voices, and use my head later after watch Here which one xD's best for you cheers

 

[ju-rek]

Could you make this test with full max oc as well as manual per core and a ram 6600 and process lasso with ccd0 for a game and retest the cs2 test

I don't use lasso process, windows correctly assigns CCD0 to CS2, I also can't do 6600 stably on my processor. You have the result on 8000C32 and PBO +100 with CO.

 

[SomeTimeLike]

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[SomeTimeLike]

I don't use lasso process, windows correctly assigns CCD0 to CS2, I also can't do 6600 stably on my processor. You have the result on 8000C32 and PBO +100 with CO.

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[SomeTimeLike]

I don't use lasso process, windows correctly assigns CCD0 to CS2, I also can't do 6600 stably on my processor. You have the result on 8000C32 and PBO +100 with CO.

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And could u make test with 720p for max fps

 

[SomeTimeLike]

I don't use lasso process, windows correctly assigns CCD0 to CS2, I also can't do 6600 stably on my processor. You have the result on 8000C32 and PBO +100 with CO.

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[ju-rek]

I tried the lasso process with game mode turned off. It doesn't do anything spectacular. I have CO on core set.

 

[Luggage]

Latest Aida64 7.65.7400 reboots my 9800x3d within 10 minutes even at 0 fmax and 0 CO. >_>

Running other tests now to see If I changed something else since last test with +200 -17-30 co that ran for 2+ hours…

 

[99belle99]

Latest Aida64 7.65.7400 reboots my 9800x3d within 10 minutes even at 0 fmax and 0 CO. >_>

Running other tests now to see If I changed something else since last test with +200 -17-30 co that ran for 2+ hours…

Which test?

 

[Luggage]

Which test?

Stress test, top three checked.

 

[Luggage]

Corrupt file system
From crashing or cause of crashing?
Restore point from windows update yesterday as well.

So suspect list keeps growing ;-;

 

[Blameless]

If one's goal is simply getting the absolute most FPS @ 1080p for use with a high refresh rate 540hz+ monitor with the only intent for the machine being gaming (a 2nd PC is already in my room for anything else), is the 9800X3D the only way to go?

9950X3D would be an absolute waste of money since there wouldn't really be any use for the extra cores? And don't know if it's still the case, but 9800X3D actually beats out the 9950X3D in certain titles, or is that old news?

Like I wouldn't mind shelling out the extra for the 9950X3D but every voice in my head is telling me not to be so stupid? lol.

Depends on how good the v-cache CCD is on one's 9950X3D sample. A lot of them don't seem any better than what's in the typical 9800X3D, but for those that are better, you have a slight FMAX advantage and can just disable the non-vcache CCD entirely, if you discover that the second CCD isn't useful for what you're doing. It's uncommon, but some titles do benefit from the second CCD, and plenty of non-gaming tasks, or heavy multitasking surely will.

Personally, I don't think it's worthwhile for a purely gaming focused build to pay the extra for the 9950X3D.

On 9800x3d does it matter if i choose over 8000cl34 over 6000cl26? I have gone with 8000 just because of leas vsoc usage.. no other reason..use case is gaming

No way the difference is perceptible, but you can probably find titles that bench better with one or the other.

Latest Aida64 7.65.7400 reboots my 9800x3d within 10 minutes even at 0 fmax and 0 CO. >_>

Running other tests now to see If I changed something else since last test with +200 -17-30 co that ran for 2+ hours…

What board are you running and if it's an ASUS board are you running "Disable Current Limiter"?

I just got rid of my ASUS board so I can't test without the normally hidden current limiter, but 7.65.7400 doesn't have any problems with 9800X3D sample on my other boards. My +200MHz, -27 to -40 CO, settings will still run the CPU/FPU/Cache test indefinitely.

With prior versions I didn't have any issues even without the current limiter in the short time I had my B850M TUF, but I was thermally limited to clocks that weren't significantly higher and the CPU had more voltage going to it. Was stable regardless.

Corrupt file system
From crashing or cause of crashing?
Restore point from windows update yesterday as well.

So suspect list keeps growing ;-;

Have any recent, known good, backups you can restore?

System Restore is garbage and not any kind of backup solution...mostly just makes it easier to recover from botched registry changes, but doesn't do much of anything to prevent or mitigate deeper corruption. I generally disable system restore entirely.

That said, there isn't much that could be corrupt with the OS install that should be causing AIDA64 to crash as the tests are largely self contained. Might be worth reinstalling AIDA64 then going through the options to disable all the sensor polling stuff you don't absolutely need.

 

[Luggage]

Depends on how good the v-cache CCD is on one's 9950X3D sample. A lot of them don't seem any better than what's in the typical 9800X3D, but for those that are better, you have a slight FMAX advantage and can just disable the non-vcache CCD entirely, if you discover that the second CCD isn't useful for what you're doing. It's uncommon, but some titles do benefit from the second CCD, and plenty of non-gaming tasks, or heavy multitasking surely will.

Personally, I don't think it's worthwhile for a purely gaming focused build to pay the extra for the 9950X3D.



No way the difference is perceptible, but you can probably find titles that bench better with one or the other.



What board are you running and if it's an ASUS board are you running "Disable Current Limiter"?

I just got rid of my ASUS board so I can't test without the normally hidden current limiter, but 7.65.7400 doesn't have any problems with 9800X3D sample on my other boards. My +200MHz, -27 to -40 CO, settings will still run the CPU/FPU/Cache test indefinitely.

With prior versions I didn't have any issues even without the current limiter in the short time I had my B850M TUF, but I was thermally limited to clocks that weren't significantly higher and the CPU had more voltage going to it. Was stable regardless.



Have any recent, known good, backups you can restore?

System Restore is garbage and not any kind of backup solution...mostly just makes it easier to recover from botched registry changes, but doesn't do much of anything to prevent or mitigate deeper corruption. I generally disable system restore entirely.

That said, there isn't much that could be corrupt with the OS install that should be causing AIDA64 to crash as the tests are largely self contained. Might be worth reinstalling AIDA64 then going through the options to disable all the sensor polling stuff you don't absolutely need.

It's in the spare rig with the Asrock B850M-X wifi (ver:1.0?) so it's rather gimped, but not with hidden limiters as far as I can tell.

 

[Tatili]

Latest Aida64 7.65.7400 reboots my 9800x3d within 10 minutes even at 0 fmax and 0 CO. >_>

Running other tests now to see If I changed something else since last test with +200 -17-30 co that ran for 2+ hours…

Why don't you pick up older version, might help
Worked for me to figured if too deep Curve or CS

PBO 225/125/205 boost+150 CO-22Allcores CS-10

PBO 225/125/205 boost +150 CO -20 Allcores CS Auto

PBO Auto boost OFF CO-30-35/-20-25 perCore CS Auto

PBO 225/125/205 boost+150 CO-15/-10 perCCD CS Auto

Sharing is caring 😘

 

[Blameless]

It's in the spare rig with the Asrock B850M-X wifi (ver:1.0?) so it's rather gimped, but not with hidden limiters as far as I can tell.

The current limiter I mention is omnipresent, as far as I have been able to tell. ASUS is the only manufacturer I know of that provides settings to disable it (though I've mostly used ASRock, Gigabyte, and ASUS on this platform and have very little experience with AM5 MSI boards).

This limiter causes some tests to pull far less power than might be expected, throttling the CPU back before getting anywhere near any temperature or PPT/EDC/TDC limits. AVX and AVX-512 heavy apps are most commonly affected, but it's not exclusive to them. Without the limiter, it's possible to get a 9800X3D to 230W+, if not immediately thermally limited, in some scenarios.

Anyway, AIDA64 CPU/FPU/Cache test is one of those tests that seem to be heavily affected by this limiter (which doesn't really seem to make the test any easier to pass, unless one is using positive curve shaper values at medium loads.

Now that I'm back on my ASRock B650M-HDV/M.2 the CPU/FPU/Cache tests bounces around 5.05-5.2GHz at 1-1.1v and ~110W at barely over 60C on my air cooled (lid intact, CPU and cooler lapped, TR Royal Knight 120SE, DOWSIL TC-5888, etc) 9800X3D (+200MHz, 1x scalar, -27 to -40 on COs, 'motherboard' power limits). My Gigabyte boards were very similar. However, this test was like...40-100W more at times on my ASUS B850M with "Disable Current Limiter" enabled (which is a distinct and largely unrelated setting from any of the PBO limits or 'peak current control').

If your part isn't holding full boost in the AIDA test, but also isn't reaching PPT, EDC, or thermal limits, you almost certainly have this limiter (as I would expect from essentially every AM5 system that isn't using an ASUS board where it's explicitly been disabled). Other tests, even AVX-512 ones, rarely hit this limiter so hard, if at all. I'm not sure what it is about AIDA64, but the large gap I see between the highest core temp and the highest die temp suggests to me that dLDO transients, or VDDCD_VDDM (cache voltage) could be what the limiter is actually targeting.

Anyway, some examples of my current setup, where this limiter is more (AVX-512 AIDA64 CPU/FPU/Cache) and less (AVX2 LINPACK 2019) evident, but definitely present:

Again, exactly the same system configuration for both...didn't even restart between tests.

 

[donnieyeen]

Reporting a very unusual thing that happened to me with my 9950x3d. Yesterday I've rebooted my pc and suddenly I am stuck with 62 white led q-code:

Now tried couple bios resets, reboots, nothing helped.

Tried flashback to another bios, didn't help either same code.

So I removed the cpu and swapped to my other sample. And now everything works normal. After refusing to believe cpu just died, I reinstalled it this morning, and again I am greeted with the same white 62 stuck. Tried couple resets and reboots and suddenly the code moves to 70 and green and I get a picture but the pc is frozen before I can press bios key. I reboot again, and this time I am greeted with press F1 to enter bios screen, I press and get inside the bios but again the bios screen is frozen before SP is detected. I reboot, but then again 62 white led is stuck.

I guess its a farewell to my chip.

 

[LtMatt]

Reporting a very unusual thing that happened to me with my 9950x3d. Yesterday I've rebooted my pc and suddenly I am stuck with 62 white led q-code:

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Now tried couple bios resets, reboots, nothing helped.

Tried flashback to another bios, didn't help either same code.

So I removed the cpu and swapped to my other sample. And now everything works normal. After refusing to believe cpu just died, I reinstalled it this morning, and again I am greeted with the same white 62 stuck. Tried couple resets and reboots and suddenly the code moves to 70 and green and I get a picture but the pc is frozen before I can press bios key. I reboot again, and this time I am greeted with press F1 to enter bios screen, I press and get inside the bios but again the bios screen is frozen before SP is detected. I reboot, but then again 62 white led is stuck.

I guess its a farewell to my chip.