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Overclocking ADL - 12900k etc results, bins and discussion

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The contention will be DDR5

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3dmark runs - RTX 3080 | 6400C361T

PR 13203

TS 20636 (20292|22837)

FS - 42722 (49602|44669|20290)

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Good luck to those who will be going for ADL from the start :

DDR5 memory, according to MSI, will cost 50 to 60 percent more than DDR4 memory.

Yikes...
 
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300W SSE? Isnt that insane? Comparing to ambient cooling clocks, its harder than CML could do... Its more than X299 could do... 3175X... maybe...like 4.5gig allcore?
 
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All these Dies.... do we have any knowledge whatsoever which one of these are going to perform? If those new Samsung B-Dies are anything like their predecessors, their 4800 Kit might easily reach 6600+.


hope DDR4 boards come out as an alternative/viable solution..
theyve been known to exist since weeks. Asus, MSI and ASRock had their lineup leaked already too. DDR4 alternatives are always a tad cheaper and the high end boards are all DDR5.
I honestly think, considering everything we know, that having superclocked DDR4 B-Dies might be quite superior to DDR5 for a while.
 
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All these Dies.... do we have any knowledge whatsoever which one of these are going to perform? If those new Samsung B-Dies are anything like their predecessors, their 4800 Kit might easily reach 6600+.



theyve been known to exist since weeks. Asus, MSI and ASRock had their lineup leaked already too. DDR4 alternatives are always a tad cheaper and the high end boards are all DDR5.
I honestly think, considering everything we know, that having superclocked DDR4 B-Dies might be quite superior to DDR5 for a while.
We will find out pretty soon lol.
 
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I would consider Alder lake if there was a 12900k without the little cores.
 
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But you can't do the same for the price jump. Not much point in paying for something I'm not going to use.
 
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its actually quite close to the increase in thread count no?
a 20% increase in thread count and 6% increase in clock speed resulted in a ~13% increase in multi-threaded performance.

whats curious however is how E-cores can contribute towards multi-thread performance without robbing the P-cores of power and heat budget.
 
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Little cores are overclockable.
 
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Can't wait to benchmark 12900k. The question is if I can get a lga 1700 bracket for my EK waterblocks in time....
 
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Looks like G.skill is using Samsung for DDR 5:
I hope these samsung IC is overclocking like crazy, like ddr4 b.die :D

"At this point, G.Skill has only announced that the DDR5-6600 versions of its Trident Z5 and Trident Z5 RGB will be available in 32GB kits (2x16GB), all of which use Samsung ICs. The company even posted a screenshot showing validation of the memory kits at full speed to back up its claims."
 
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Guys, I have bad news for you. Alderlake will be very hot.
Here in the picture is a section of the BIOS ms z690 Unify-X
cpu current limit 512 A
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for comparison on the 10th and 11th generation 256 A
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Icc max is too big. in such stress tests as Linx, which fully loads the processor by 100 percent, there will be very high heat dissipation
(you can calculate it yourself P max = Icc max * Vcore load)

Perhaps I am mistaken and such a large Iccmax will be used only in a single-core boost, and when all cores are loaded, its limit will be automatically reduced by the internal processor regulators.
But still, I wanted to test the stability of the processor normally, and not just cinebench or "only games". LinX is a great tool that will immediately show problems without long 24/7 tests. Intel uses it themselves.
 
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With Zen3D coming in a few months, it probably won't beat AL in single thread, but multithread will most likely be AMD's with all of that cache. It'll also consume a lot less power, it's on a mature platform with DDR4 at its peak, and it has good 3rd party options to dial the system in.

E cores on AL are just a gimmick on desktop systems, and without Gracemont, Intel can't compete with AMD in multithread and be within a reasonable TDP, if you can call 300w+ on a mainstream platform reasonable. PCIe 5.0 boards won't be cheap, DDR5 is expensive and unoptimized, and Intel's 10nm aka 7 is HOTTT. It won't be cheap taming those temperatures.

AL will be nice for benchmarkers since that single thread is really nice for scores, but that's about it imo. All other use-cases, Zen3D is a better overall option.
 
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With Zen3D coming in a few months, it probably won't beat AL in single thread, but multithread will most likely be AMD's with all of that cache. It'll also consume a lot less power, it's on a mature platform with DDR4 at its peak, and it has good 3rd party options to dial the system in.

E cores on AL are just a gimmick on desktop systems, and without Gracemont, Intel can't compete with AMD in multithread and be within a reasonable TDP, if you can call 300w+ on a mainstream platform reasonable. PCIe 5.0 boards won't be cheap, DDR5 is expensive and unoptimized, and Intel's 10nm aka 7 is HOTTT. It won't be cheap taming those temperatures.

AL will be nice for benchmarkers since that single thread is really nice for scores, but that's about it imo. All other use-cases, Zen3D is a better overall option.
Intel always like that. It gives us reason for us crazy watercoolers to exist. Why else do you need caselabs sma8a cases with multiple 560mm rads and external radiator setups.
 
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Apex has no igpu for even better performance.
Apex ♡
 
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There are kf models
12900k. - 8 golden cove plus 8 gracemont
12700k - 8 golden cove plus 4 gracemont
12600k - 6 golden plus 4 gracemont
12400 - 6 golden
Under is i don’t remember. Probably some in i3 lineup i assume
 
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Only thing missing from Apex is thunderbolt on the i/o panel. Having to use a pcie card for thunderbolt is a bit inconvenient.