Another TN... Refresh rate really isn't selling me on another TN monitor after my last Dell G-Sync experience. But if you want minimal Quality control but can get searingly bright there ya go. Are TNs ever going away or are they just that cheap to produce we're stuck with them.

 

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Originally Posted by Peanuts4

Another TN... Refresh rate really isn't selling me on another TN monitor after my last Dell G-Sync experience. But if you want minimal Quality control but can get searingly bright there ya go. Are TNs ever going away or are they just that cheap to produce we're stuck with them.

At least for the foreseeable future.

Cheap and fast.

 

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Originally Posted by Peanuts4

Another TN... Refresh rate really isn't selling me on another TN monitor after my last Dell G-Sync experience. But if you want minimal Quality control but can get searingly bright there ya go. Are TNs ever going away or are they just that cheap to produce we're stuck with them.

Dell has much less quality control problems with their g-sync monitor than others.

 

I feel 27" would've been a better size if they were truly aiming it at gamers. 1440p still looks pretty good at 27".

edit: Nevermind, they have a 27" version as well - S2716DG

 

G-Shank 1440p at 165... humdrum

 

Honestly they should make 144Hz IPS panel to less prone to quality issues.

 

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Originally Posted by Peanuts4

Another TN... Refresh rate really isn't selling me on another TN monitor after my last Dell G-Sync experience. But if you want minimal Quality control but can get searingly bright there ya go. Are TNs ever going away or are they just that cheap to produce we're stuck with them.

Yeah, they could've at least cover it with glossy coating, but no, we can't have nice things.

 

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TNs are the only thing capable of 200+ Hz, so yes TNs will stay in the monitor business for a long time.

 

And they are cheap- for guys likes me I just can not go right now for an IPS screen over a TN as the prices in my country for the same model( just TN/ IPS difference) is like 200$ at least( with a monthly payment of 600-700$ you get the idea..)

On the topic: Currently saving for the big brother: S2716DG and potential pc upgrate afterwards

I am getting into the 10th year of my old Philips 19' 1280x1024.. if i go and get 4k might even not buy a monitor anymore( just kidding

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I'm not a monitor connoisseur by any means but I'm loving mine.

 

Ehhhh TN, rather stick with my 4k HDR at 60hz to be honest.

 

Wake me when OLED 55" 4K @ 120Hz prize start 1000 dollars

Interesting upgrade my S2716DG to newer 27" version when its relesed

 

I still don't get the appeal for IPS. I would much rather have higher quality VA monitors. I've had multiple IPS monitors and they were just disappointing after all the claims of how good their picture quality would be.

That was after attempting to calibrate them, and then paying someone to calibrate them. Meh.

 

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Originally Posted by wolfej

I would much rather have higher quality VA monitors.

I think we'd all like but that's like waiting for OLED. IPS is clearly the best all-rounder.

 

My XB271HU still running like a dream. I be damned if I ever go TN again.

 

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Originally Posted by wolfej

I still don't get the appeal for IPS. I would much rather have higher quality VA monitors. I've had multiple IPS monitors and they were just disappointing after all the claims of how good their picture quality would be.

That was after attempting to calibrate them, and then paying someone to calibrate them. Meh.

I've never seen the appeal either.

 

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Originally Posted by Smanci

I think we'd all like but that's like waiting for OLED. IPS is clearly the best all-rounder.

Why is IPS "clearly" the best all-rounder?

Production Price: TN < VA < IPS
Pixel Response: TN < VA ~ IPS
Color Gamut: TN < VA ~ IPS
Viewing Angles: TN < VA < IPS
Static Contrast: TN < IPS < VA
Glow: VA < IPS < TN

VA makes more sense as an all-rounder I would argue.

 

VA is jack of all trades master of none. That's why most people go either IPS or TN.

IPS is a compromise in some situations, TN is a compromise in some situations, VA is a lesser compromise, but in all situations.

 

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Why is IPS "clearly" the best all-rounder?

Its only obvious weakness seems to be lack of high contrast. VA is a compromise all situations.

If we ignore all the other issues, VA's really slow response times are a big con. High contrast is a nice thing to have but the benefit is questionable if pixel transition times are slow, and in the centre of the monitor, lighter shades blend into black and form a dark lump of no detail.

 

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Originally Posted by Artikbot

VA is jack of all trades master of none. That's why most people go either IPS or TN.

IPS is a compromise in some situations, TN is a compromise in some situations, VA is a lesser compromise, but in all situations.

I'm not sure what you're arguing. Being in the middle is the definition of what an "all-round" choice is.
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Its only obvious weakness seems to be lack of high contrast. VA is a compromise all situations.

If we ignore all the other issues, VA's really slow response times are a big con. High contrast is a nice thing to have but the benefit is questionable if pixel transition times are slow, and in the centre of the monitor, lighter shades blend into black and form a dark lump of no detail.

Hyperbolic. Modern IPS and VA panel pixel response times are essentially the same. Your complaint about blending is not something that I've ever heard about nor observed.

 

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Originally Posted by Particle

Hyperbolic. Modern IPS and VA panel pixel response times are essentially the same. Your complaint about blending is not something that I've ever heard about nor observed.

 

Isn't this going on sale at Best Buy for $400?

Also, I'm getting the 27 inch version of this monitor if it does drop to $400

 

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Originally Posted by rudyae86

Isn't this going on sale at Best Buy for $400?

Also, I'm getting the 27 inch version of this monitor if it does drop to $400

Yes.

 

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Originally Posted by Particle

Hyperbolic. Modern IPS and VA panel pixel response times are essentially the same. Your complaint about blending is not something that I've ever heard about nor observed.

Not for the slow transitions, even the best VA panels have their worst transitions take well over 10ms. For example the new VA Acer Predator Z271 has response times over 10ms for 0 to 255, 0 to 200, 0 to 150, and 50 to 0, with a gray to grey average of 6.6ms at 144Hz and the worst transition at 15.3ms. It also has some overshooting due to needing aggressive overdrive.

The IPS Acer Predator XB270HU has an average GTG of 5.5ms but with the worst transition time at only 6.9ms. It has almost no overshoot.

I also hate that slight "shimmer" from moving your head when watching VA panels. TNs like this S2417DG have a similar problem where slight movement up and down changes the contrast a lot but VA has individual pixels shimmer with head movement. With VA it is just enough to notice a change, not make it look bad, but the constant change when moving bothers me. I like IPS better even if the contrast is noticeably worse.