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$200 or less. Don't know all that much about monitor brands and quality, and I know that most specs above the resolution/refresh rate on consumer screens are more or less falsified and exaggerated. So what's a good 1080p screen in that price range, 21-23"?

Features in order of importance:
1. Clarity
2. Contrast ratio
3. Response time
 
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do you have a microcenter nearby?
Nearest one is >1000mi away.
 
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I've seen a lot of people recommending this lately.

I have a similar monitor and I love it, though I'm not really a monitor aficionado.
The Asus VE monitors have issues with ghosting. Not sure if it's true or not, just what I've read and what one of my friends claims.

Edit: Even the newegg reviews have tons of people saying it has noticeable ghosting compared to other 5ms monitors (and it's supposedly a 2ms response time monitor).
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do you have a microcenter nearby?
Just there yesterday looking and they killed of a lot of their stock in that segment
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Edit: Even the newegg reviews have tons of people saying it has noticeable ghosting compared to other 5ms monitors (and it's supposedly a 2ms response time monitor).
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The whole 2 and 5 ms response is deceive... in many cases those specs are the same dependent on which manner the advertise the specification.
A typical 5ms is also = to a 2ms (GTG) from what I gather... but I may be corrected.
 
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I've seen a lot of people recommending this lately.

I have a similar monitor and I love it, though I'm not really a monitor aficionado.
+1 for the VH series.

You can get the VH236H if you dont want an LED backlight. I'm not sure what LED backlights bring to the table, but maybe someone can expand on that.
 
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Grab an Open Box and save yourself some dough. 3 out of my 4 monitors are Open Box and the only difference was the price. Here's a pic of one of them (post #2 and post #16)
http://www.overclock.net/computer-ro...-overhaul.html

I second the OB monitors.
I bought two; one came BNIB and the other had light scratches on the bezel.
Awesome deals.
 
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+1 for the VH series.

You can get the VH236H if you dont want an LED backlight. I'm not sure what LED backlights bring to the table, but maybe someone can expand on that.

There's a common problem with the VH236H, and possibly all non-LED ASUS monitors: If you set the brightness to less than 90 (which is way too bright), they will buzz like no tomorrow. Luckily you can leave the brightness on max and adjust it on a driver level, which is what I did.

LED monitors supposedly don't have that issue.
 
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$200 or less. Don't know all that much about monitor brands and quality, and I know that most specs above the resolution/refresh rate on consumer screens are more or less falsified and exaggerated. So what's a good 1080p screen in that price range, 21-23"?

Features in order of importance:
1. Clarity
2. Contrast ratio
3. Response time

Response time stated in the specs is total marketing gimmicky. It's gray to gray, which makes it a useless stat when trying to figure out how it performs in real world usage. Response times, if they actually had merit, should tell you about how sensitive a display is to ghosting. To figure out how much ghosting a display has, you can look at online reviews. They might provide pictures of a program called pixperan, which can give you somewhat of a picture how much ghosting a display has. However, you won't find reviews that have this on anything but the most popular models. Otherwise you are just going to have to trust short comments and statements about the ghosting. Not too much to worry though, no modern popular TN has horrible ghosting.

Stated contrast ratios are also pretty much lies, though I think most LCDs you will find will have a decent contrast anyways, there shouldn't be too much worrying about that. If there is an extensive and detailed review of a monitor by a good reviewer, they will test the contrast ratios of a monitor on every brightness setting. However, I do not expect lower end displays to get these kinds of reviews almost ever.

Clarity is mostly affected by resolution and how vivid the colors are. (for a static picture, for a moving one, amount of ghosting also applies)

In short, don't trust the stats
/educate

The top dogs in the lower end monitor market are usually asus and acer. As stated above, the VH series is very popular in the lower end market and doesn't fail to impress for that tier of monitor.

And as also stated above if you are willing to go open box, you might save some money/get a better model for the same price.
 
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Response time stated in the specs is total marketing gimmicky. It's gray to gray, which makes it a useless stat when trying to figure out how it performs in real world usage. Response times, if they actually had merit, should tell you about how sensitive a display is to ghosting. To figure out how much ghosting a display has, you can look at online reviews. They might provide pictures of a program called pixperan, which can give you somewhat of a picture how much ghosting a display has. However, you won't find reviews that have this on anything but the most popular models. Otherwise you are just going to have to trust short comments and statements about the ghosting. Not too much to worry though, no modern popular TN has horrible ghosting.

Stated contrast ratios are also pretty much lies, though I think most LCDs you will find will have a decent contrast anyways, there shouldn't be too much worrying about that. If there is an extensive and detailed review of a monitor by a good reviewer, they will test the contrast ratios of a monitor on every brightness setting. However, I do not expect lower end displays to get these kinds of reviews almost ever.

Clarity is mostly affected by resolution and how vivid the colors are. (for a static picture, for a moving one, amount of ghosting also applies)

In short, don't trust the stats
/educate

The top dogs in the lower end monitor market are usually asus and acer. As stated above, the VH series is very popular in the lower end market and doesn't fail to impress for that tier of monitor.

And as also stated above if you are willing to go open box, you might save some money/get a better model for the same price.

I know all of that; like I said, they falsify and exaggerate specs all the time. For instance, that Asus will never get 50,000,000:1 contrast ratio. It's probably significantly rounded up static contrast from a test in laboratory conditions with the picture tuned for absolute highest contrast regardless of how it actually looks.

Kind of like how manufacturers lie about PSUs, only monitors explode less.
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I need a monitor guru to help me tell monitors with very similar specs apart, to find the one with the best performance and quality; much like I do for PSUs.

For instance, which is better, the Asus VH242H or VH238H?
 
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For instance, which is better, the Asus VH242H or VH238H?

Haven't used every screen myself, but I've talked to users who have owned these screens, and plenty of other screens. From what I gather, the VH242H is the inferior one with worse color reproduction and worse dark levels. (difference is not really noticeable unless you had two side by side). Both have very little ghosting for a monitor. The OSD on the VH238h is clumsy, and the stand is kinda flimsy, so it's inferior in this department.. Neither have any noticeable input lag (actual measurements not taken, but most likely in the 5-15ms area, l ike most other displays). The VH242h is 0.6" larger. Both are good low end screens, but they have their faults. The VH238h also s eems to be plagued by issues of dead pixels. Just for that reason, I would recommend the VH242h rather than that.
 
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