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If someone is getting these crazy cards, just get the cheapest one as close to $599 as possible and water cool it. Don't feed those duckers by buying their overpriced cards with a cooler you will toss away anyway.
The myth of "AIBs will sell at $599 - $699" is clearly busted.
 
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Originally Posted by JackCY View Post

If someone is getting these crazy cards, just get the cheapest one as close to $599 as possible and water cool it. Don't feed those duckers by buying their overpriced cards with a cooler you will toss away anyway.
The myth of "AIBs will sell at $599 - $699" is clearly busted.
As evidenced by what exactly, the one AIB that went over $699? There are plenty or other AIB's priced between $599 and $699. I guess if you choose to ignore all other manufacturers and just use MSI as your basis then yes, that myth is busted.
 
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Originally Posted by bigjdubb View Post

How is this the best custom 1080? It doesn't seem any better than any of the other cards, FE included. We don't really even have reviews of the other custom cards yet.
not sure why are you still fixated about overclocking when it was established weeks ago that all 1080s overclock the same and this won't be bypassed without some sort of bios or hardware hack, so that metric is no longer relevant in comparisons. what matters now is cooler quality, and from various reviews i saw of 1080s, MSI GAMING X consistently shows best cooler performance at lowest sound levels. at least as far as dual slot cards are concerned.
 
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not sure why are you still fixated about overclocking when it was established weeks ago that all 1080s overclock the same and this won't be bypassed without some sort of bios or hardware hack, so that metric is no longer relevant in comparisons. what matters now is cooler quality, and from various reviews i saw of 1080s, MSI GAMING X consistently shows best cooler performance at lowest sound levels. at least as far as dual slot cards are concerned.
I understand that overclocking is the same on all cards. I haven't seen any real numbers on many custom cards, I guess you could say it's the best thus far. It is virtually impossible to get an accurate comparison of thermals and noise level with different reviews. There are far too many variables with sound measurement and temperatures to use the numbers from one site to compare to another. Decibel levels can be skewed greatly by simply placing the meter at a different distance, or just using a different meter.

It just seems a little bold to claim that this is the best AIB card at this point.
 
I like that it is not excessively long of a card, but I did not like that it is 140mm tall. The Asus Strix is also 130+ mm tall, much like most AIB 10xx cards...

I know, this is of little concern to the vast majority of its buyers, but I was hoping my next built being based on a Cougar QBX (ITX) and that means I will probably have to settle for a ref. design 1080 or 1070 cause although length is not much of an issue, height is!
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I like that it is not excessively long of a card, but I did not like that it is 140mm tall. The Asus Strix is also 130+ mm tall, much like most AIB 10xx cards...

I know, this is of little concern to the vast majority of its buyers, but I was hoping my next built being based on a Cougar QBX (ITX) and that means I will probably have to settle for a ref. design 1080 or 1070 cause although length is not much of an issue, height is!
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You will probably want a card that vents outside the case for ITX. Maybe wait for the EVGA blower style that's on it's way, reference board with EVGA's blower cooler..... and it's only $609 as well.
 
Yeah, I could not find any info on the maximum card height that the QBX can accommodate (with the side panel closed
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I do have a 970 STRIX that is also 140mm tall that I could test-fit, but since case returns can be pretty expensive - to the point that you are better off keeping a case as cheap as a QBX - I don't want to risk it...issue is EVGA does seem to make the "shortest" AIBs for the 1080, but also the ugliest...
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EDIT: as far as I am reading it won't fit...not in the QBX, not in the M1...
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Originally Posted by pcfoo View Post

Yeah, I could not find any info on the maximum card height that the QBX can accommodate (with the side panel closed
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I do have a 970 STRIX that is also 140mm tall that I could test-fit, but since case returns can be pretty expensive - to the point that you are better off keeping a case as cheap as a QBX - I don't want to risk it...issue is EVGA does seem to make the "shortest" AIBs for the 1080, but also the ugliest...
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EDIT: as far as I am reading it won't fit...not in the QBX, not in the M1...
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Do they list a maximum cpu cooler height? The two numbers should be pretty close to each other.
 
They do, but it is not "clear" as there is a HDD / AIO cooler bracket that they are taking into account = the folded-up part in the image below.



I am looking at the photos of the case and how much clearance there is between the top of the rear IO bracket of the GPU and the side case...the gap is pretty small...I doubt there is much more than half an inch there (10-12mm).

Typical cards are 110mm high, like the Radeon pictured above, so a 120-125mm card will be able to fit, a 130-140mm one, I would doubt.

I think my best bet for a AIB right now is the Gigabyte G1 Gaming 1080 @ 115mm height, followed by the vanilla EVGA 1080 with the single fan blower @ 111mm.
 
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Originally Posted by ChevChelios View Post

MSI lost their damn minds with these prices frankly
The MSI card is priced at $1,000 Canadian. The G1 from Gigaybyte is $120 less up here and apparently all these cards pretty much clock the same regardless of whatever VRMs, power connectors and coolers the cards are built with.
 
I happen to own a Gaming X. There are some PCB differences between it and a Founder's Edition. The additional 6-pin power connector and extra power phases (10 on the MSI) are probably the most noteworthy.

The problem is those additional tweaks are basically addressing a non-issue. Lack of power delivery doesn't seem to be what's holding up the overclocks. I've seen a review where their Founder's Edition actually clocked higher than the Gaming X.

Where this card absolutely shines is in the noise department. Anyone saying this card is only slightly quieter than the Founder's (one review claimed a 1dB difference at load) is either hard of hearing or doing their testing in the Arctic Circle or both. I've had both cards in my system and the Gaming X is on another plane when it comes to cooling and noise output.

Throttling is not a concern because it this card is using 70*C as the threshold rather than the 81*C the Founder's cards reach before they ultimately start to throttle. At full load, in my mundane Corsair 750D, the Gaming X is inaudible where there was a distinct whoosh with the Founder's.

For the pricing, well, I'm not sure what to say. I am super-impressed with the MSI but I'd love to get my hands on the G1, Strix, or ACX to see how they compare. Even if those cards aren't as quiet they certainly are winning the price comparison. Compared to the Founder's Edition, I'd easily say this card is worth the $20 premium. Compared to the very capable looking ACX for $629 I think there could be some problems with choosing the MSI.

I normally don't give much of a look to MSI's cards but I wanted an aftermarket 1080 and so here I am. I absolutely know I overpaid but I'm still happy with the outcome.
 
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Originally Posted by Ha-Nocri View Post

I don't like what MSI did with cooling solutions since they introduced their Gaming series with 6xx cards. They went cheap. It just doesn't perform as well as some other cards, from Gigabyte, Sapphire ...
Gaming series did perform marginally worse than the TFIII series in the 6xx era. But doesn't perform as well as gigabyte and sapphire? The only reason those GB and sapphire coolers are better is because they're noisy
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Originally Posted by Smanci View Post

Gaming series did perform marginally worse than the TFIII series in the 6xx era. But doesn't perform as well as gigabyte and sapphire? The only reason those GB and sapphire coolers are better is because they're noisy
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The coolers on my 970 G1's were very quiet at %100. I had to put my head down next to the case with the side panel off to hear them. I am not in a quiet room but the cards were much more quiet than the rest of the fans in my case. I think they are all pretty close to each other in normal operating conditions.
 
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The coolers on my 970 G1's were very quiet at %100. I had to put my head down next to the case with the side panel off to hear them. I am not in a quiet room but the cards were much more quiet than the rest of the fans in my case. I think they are all pretty close to each other in normal operating conditions.
Well, lucky to have other noisy stuff to drown the noise out. Isn't the minimum fan speed still 1500-1600RPM?
 
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