Changing polling rates of USB ports possible again on Win 8/8.1/10
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I've attached dump.txt. The device I'm after is USB\VID_1BAD&PID_F03D&IG_00\7&184FFB83&0&00, under USB\VID_1BAD&PID_F03D\158A93B2.
Edit: lol
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The device doesn't show up in the setup window at all.Originally Posted by SweetLow
And what happen (in setup window)? This device arrive in list? If so - attach the picture.
>Would it help if I upload the parent device's driver, xusb22.sys?
not now.
take http://sweetlow.orgfree.com/download/devtree.zip
make dump (in command line):
DEVTREE.EXE /vv /nl >dump.txt
and send me dump.txt
P.S. And will be better to go in generic thread:
http://www.overclock.net/t/1586474/changing-polling-rates-of-usb-ports-possible-again-on-win-8-8-1-10
I've attached dump.txt. The device I'm after is USB\VID_1BAD&PID_F03D&IG_00\7&184FFB83&0&00, under USB\VID_1BAD&PID_F03D\158A93B2.
Edit: lol
dump.txt 84k .txt file
As i can see you have one usb composite device (with mouse and keyboard) and two xbox360 devices. The problem for setup.exe, i assume, that xbox devices present as "HID on HID":
+Xbox 360 Controller for Windows [XnaComposite]
+--USB Input Device [HIDClass]
+----HID-compliant game controller [HIDClass]
strange, but in this situation i wait doubling of lines, not the disappear
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Can you post picture of setup window with unchecked "mices only"?
driver will be setup manually (as always) - but i can try to change setup to process such case.
p.s. no, problem is that xbox device from program point of view like usb composite device, but it have not usb device class. wait, i change setup now
+Xbox 360 Controller for Windows [XnaComposite]
+--USB Input Device [HIDClass]
+----HID-compliant game controller [HIDClass]
strange, but in this situation i wait doubling of lines, not the disappear
driver will be setup manually (as always) - but i can try to change setup to process such case.
p.s. no, problem is that xbox device from program point of view like usb composite device, but it have not usb device class. wait, i change setup now
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Ok, so I attached the setup window. Regarding your comment about the "HID on HID", it's strange because the device I successfully overclocked with your tool on the USB3 port is HIDClass on HIDClass, and the mouse is partly that as well - the third device in the picture I attached has a HIDClass child, "HID-compliant vendor-defined device".
setupwindow.jpg 75k .jpg fileOriginally Posted by SweetLow
As i can see you have one usb composite device (with mouse and keyboard) and two xbox360 devices. The problem for setup.exe, i assume, that xbox devices present as "HID on HID":
+Xbox 360 Controller for Windows [XnaComposite]
+--USB Input Device [HIDClass]
+----HID-compliant game controller [HIDClass]
strange, but in this situation i wait doubling of lines, not the disappearCan you post picture of setup window with unchecked "mices only"?![rolleyes.gif]( "rolleyes.gif")
driver will be setup manually (as always) - but i can try to change setup to process such case.
Ok, so I attached the setup window. Regarding your comment about the "HID on HID", it's strange because the device I successfully overclocked with your tool on the USB3 port is HIDClass on HIDClass, and the mouse is partly that as well - the third device in the picture I attached has a HIDClass child, "HID-compliant vendor-defined device".
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Unfortunately it's not working, even though I unchecked mice only and checked process parent. The Xinput devices are just not appearing in setup at all
ThanksOriginally Posted by SweetLow
http://sweetlow.orgfree.com/download/Setup.zip
"Mice Only" -> uncheck
"Process Parent" -> check
Unfortunately it's not working, even though I unchecked mice only and checked process parent. The Xinput devices are just not appearing in setup at all
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Noooooooooooooo. Holy cow, it worked! Thanks a lot, this is damn awesome. I'll report back once I've tried the overclock
Update: TL;DR, I think it worked
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I overclocked with hidusbf, which changed the binterval value of the device according to a USB traffic sniffer (USBTrace in this case). However, it's difficult to tell whether that changed anything, since some devices apparently have a hard limit on polling rate. For example, I can use this software to change the binterval of my mouse beyond 1000hz, but mouse testing software shows it still operates at a 1000hz maximum, so binterval alone isn't a good indicator.
The other device I overclocked has huge flaws which make successful overclocks obvious. It's made poorly as hell and uses enormous amounts of CPU cycles, which increase massively as I raise polling rate. It also develops loud coil whine with higher overclocks. But my Xinput device has neither of these flaws, and no other indication of actual polling rate, so I've only got my subjective experience to go on.
Assuming the device doesn't have a polling rate limit, it went from 250hz to 1000hz. That's a 3ms reduction in lag, which I'd find difficult to perceive regardless of whether the overclock worked or not, since the device only has digital buttons and a digital joystick. At the risk of falling prey to the placebo effect, I want to say it feels more responsive. I do think it's working at 1000hz now, and in playing around with it for 30 minutes, it's not dropped inputs or showed any negative signs. I'm going to cautiously say it was a success
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Update: TL;DR, I think it worked
I overclocked with hidusbf, which changed the binterval value of the device according to a USB traffic sniffer (USBTrace in this case). However, it's difficult to tell whether that changed anything, since some devices apparently have a hard limit on polling rate. For example, I can use this software to change the binterval of my mouse beyond 1000hz, but mouse testing software shows it still operates at a 1000hz maximum, so binterval alone isn't a good indicator.
The other device I overclocked has huge flaws which make successful overclocks obvious. It's made poorly as hell and uses enormous amounts of CPU cycles, which increase massively as I raise polling rate. It also develops loud coil whine with higher overclocks. But my Xinput device has neither of these flaws, and no other indication of actual polling rate, so I've only got my subjective experience to go on.
Assuming the device doesn't have a polling rate limit, it went from 250hz to 1000hz. That's a 3ms reduction in lag, which I'd find difficult to perceive regardless of whether the overclock worked or not, since the device only has digital buttons and a digital joystick. At the risk of falling prey to the placebo effect, I want to say it feels more responsive. I do think it's working at 1000hz now, and in playing around with it for 30 minutes, it's not dropped inputs or showed any negative signs. I'm going to cautiously say it was a success
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The link doesnt work anymore. Could anyone upload the software again?
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Thank you sir!
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That actually seems to be better on my twin wired/wireless Elecom EX-G trackball's ironically. They only seem to do 140hz/150Hz max so setting both to either 125Hz or 62Hz really works better the way polling divides with the mouse setting ticks plus it keeps them both synced as well. It's a odd setup I just wish I could get each trackball to assign it's own custom buttons. I'll probably grab a foot controller at some point to pair with them to supplement my needs a bit better in terms of functionality that or I'll just grab a steam controller especially if they ever make a new version of it that's better designed.Originally Posted by SweetLow
downclock it!![biggrin.gif]( "biggrin.gif")
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Mouse report 250Hz, but actually can only ~150 Hz.
This is exactly what I done with my Asus wireless mouse from w3000 setOriginally Posted by knowom
That actually seems to be better on my twin wired/wireless Elecom EX-G trackball's ironically. They only seem to do 140hz/150Hz max so setting both to either 125Hz or 62Hz really works better the way polling divides with the mouse setting ticks plus it keeps them both synced as well.
That's funny I was actually surprised the difference in polling was only about 10Hz in my case wireless lag really isn't' very much at all these days when done well at least.. I still find the polling and dpi on my trackball's absurdly low despite being some of the better ones on the market. There hasn't been enough competition in these types of devices.
I do really enjoy my setup for Grim Dawn ARPG gaming though it works great and for a game genre that's so repetitive in nature it's nice game fatigue wise. Where it tends to fall short in other games is the programming. Oddly it works amazing in Blender 3D modeling as well in fact all the buttons work spot on in it while in other programs it's rather hit or miss with some working and other not. The software programming is the biggest pitfall to my setup. The tracking and polling however is much better with multiple trackballs used simultaneously together I guess you could say the same thing with mice as well actually it really improves your motor skills having another hand. It's kinda like operating heavy machinery equipment with two hands try operating a excavator with one hand and compare the productivity of it.
I do really enjoy my setup for Grim Dawn ARPG gaming though it works great and for a game genre that's so repetitive in nature it's nice game fatigue wise. Where it tends to fall short in other games is the programming. Oddly it works amazing in Blender 3D modeling as well in fact all the buttons work spot on in it while in other programs it's rather hit or miss with some working and other not. The software programming is the biggest pitfall to my setup. The tracking and polling however is much better with multiple trackballs used simultaneously together I guess you could say the same thing with mice as well actually it really improves your motor skills having another hand. It's kinda like operating heavy machinery equipment with two hands try operating a excavator with one hand and compare the productivity of it.
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