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#21 ·
While meh, this is not unusual or unexpected. Heck, this isn't even a long-running rebrand yet.

Look at the 8800GTS (g92):
8800GTS -> 9800GTX -> 250GTS

Or the 7870 (arguably a die shrink on the 6970):
7870 -> 270X -> 370X

I'm sure there are other examples out there :)
 
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Originally Posted by Quantium40 View Post

While meh, this is not unusual or unexpected. Heck, this isn't even a long-running rebrand yet.

Look at the 8800GTS (g92):
8800GTS -> 9800GTX -> 250GTS

Or the 7870 (arguably a die shrink on the 6970):
7870 -> 270X -> 370X

I'm sure there are other examples out there :)
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Ah, someone watched the AdoredTV video.
 
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Originally Posted by Quantium40 View Post

While meh, this is not unusual or unexpected. Heck, this isn't even a long-running rebrand yet.

Look at the 8800GTS (g92):
8800GTS -> 9800GTX -> 250GTS

Or the 7870 (arguably a die shrink on the 6970):
7870 -> 270X -> 370X

I'm sure there are other examples out there :)
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7870 was definitely not a die shrink of the 6970. It was based on GCN while the 6970 was based on the outdated VLIW architecture. There's a pretty large leap in innovation between those two parts.

Agreed with the rest ;)
 
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7870 was definitely not a die shrink of the 6970. It was based on GCN while the 6970 was based on the outdated VLIW architecture. There's a pretty large leap in innovation between those two parts.

Agreed with the rest
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Ah, my bad, you are right.
 
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Originally Posted by Quantium40 View Post

While meh, this is not unusual or unexpected. Heck, this isn't even a long-running rebrand yet.

Look at the 8800GTS (g92):
8800GTS -> 9800GTX -> 250GTS

Or the 7870 (arguably a die shrink on the 6970):
7870 -> 270X -> 370X

I'm sure there are other examples out there :)
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Indeed. Though the 8800GTS was a top end videocard that revolutionized (performance wise) when released and it kicked arse... it could be rebadged a couple of times and sent to the back of the line and eventually discontinued... the 480 when first released was a midrange product at best... and it kicked nobody's arse... it just made sense price to performance, though the gtx 970 still made more sense as it became cheaper and it's only a 15% slower (though it can OC quite high and reach the 480 with ease).
 
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In practice this means that the RX 580 is only averaging 3% faster than the RX 480 it replaces in AMD's product stack, while the RX 570 looks better, picking up 7% over the RX 470. Based on these numbers, I feel it's fair to say that while both cards are faster than their earlier incarnations, I wouldn't fault anyone for lumping the two generations of cards together.
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Actually didn't. What even is AdoredTV? (serious)
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A youtuber that actually speaks it's mind and does quite extensive reviews not only on hardware but on architectures and newly implemented tech.

https://www.youtube.com/user/adoredtv

And I love his accent.
 
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So it looks like I'll be waiting longer now. I figured when I purchased my 290x i'd get a few good years out of it and upgrade. This is true, it's been a couple years, and I'll continue running with it until AMD can actually put out something new. I don't want to go green seeing as the last green card caught fire on me.
 
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So it looks like I'll be waiting longer now. I figured when I purchased my 290x i'd get a few good years out of it and upgrade. This is true, it's been a couple years, and I'll continue running with it until AMD can actually put out something new. I don't want to go green seeing as the last green card caught fire on me.
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Well, I had a 7970 that lasted around 3 years with me, then went for a GTX 970. Still have it with me. Best buy in a long time.
 
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Indeed. Though the 8800GTS was a top end videocard that revolutionized (performance wise) when released and it kicked arse... it could be rebadged a couple of times and sent to the back of the line and eventually discontinued... the 480 when first released was a midrange product at best... and it kicked nobody's arse... it just made sense price to performance, though the gtx 970 still made more sense as it became cheaper and it's only a 15% slower (though it can OC quite high and reach the 480 with ease).
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True, but the GTS250 was released 2 years later haha.

The 580 is, like, 5 months from the 480.
 
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all you guys complaining about rebranding
remember G80? G92? GK104? Thermi?

Everybody rebrands, why pours money when the old chips are still strong?
alright AMD rebrands, but at least they're out with a new gen of cards
where's Nvidia?
Everybody wants AMD to innovate every year but apparently nobody buys their cards?
pls think before you speak
 
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all you guys complaining about rebranding
remember G80? G92? GK104? Thermi?

Everybody rebrands, why pours money when the old chips are still strong?
alright AMD rebrands, but at least they're out with a new gen of cards
where's Nvidia?
pls think before you speak
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We are not bashing or praising Nvidia here. Rebadges have been around for a long time, but usually, most rebrands come in the mid end (coming from the top end) while 1 or two new top end cards are presented. Here? 0 innovation.
 
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It seems that the Gigabyte Aorus and the MSI Gaming X are the custom to get. The other high end models are simply overpriced.

Still i don't like the respin but w/e waiting for volta/vega.

Also it seems that most 580 can reach 2250 on the memory.
 
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all you guys complaining about rebranding
remember G80? G92? GK104? Thermi?

Everybody rebrands, why pours money when the old chips are still strong?
alright AMD rebrands, but at least they're out with a new gen of cards
where's Nvidia?
pls think before you speak
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nVidia constantly release the same cards with a few more shaders unlocked for hundreds more and are hailed as innovative, yet AMD rebrand (mostly likely in anticipation for Vega) and they should just go die.

Edit: I haven't read the review, why do these cards have higher TDP? Is it just due to higher clocks or some internal changes?
 
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We are not bashing or praising Nvidia here. Rebadges have been around for a long time, but usually, most rebrands come in the mid end (coming from the top end) while 1 or two new top end cards are presented. Here? 0 innovation.
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AMD is a very small company compared to the other 2 giants, they've poured all their money to Ryzen this year, and you expect also new GPUs from them?
While keep buying Nvidia cards? cmon ppl
 
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Edit: I haven't read the review, why do these cards have higher TDP? Is it just due to higher clocks or some internal changes?
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Higher voltages and higher clockspeeds.

The end result is a power consumption increase that doesn't justify the performance gained.
 
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Not a rebadge. It's able to hit 1400MHz to 1500MHz. It's been re-engineered. Same GPU, made slightly better.

That's not a rebadge.
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It's a rebadge. They put an 8 pin connector in it, better VRM and cranked the voltage to the moon. These things are using as much power as a Fury while performing worse. The RX580 literally has worse performance/watt than the 28nm Fury and Fury Nano. It's downright embarassing. Especially considering the power sipping 25-40 watt Polaris 11 card AMD demo'd at CES never materialized.
 
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