Can it be done? I know I can run an 8350 with bios update, but the 9590 is the same price so if I can run this I figure might aswell. Just bought a 1080 and figure CPU needs to be upgraded but don't wanna dump the money on a new mobo and cpu just yet. Nothing else is bottlenecking me with a 1080 is it? Thanks
9590 on crosshair iv formula?
Johnn999
21 - 40 of 49 Posts
Joined
·
5,822 Posts
This is why stress testing is important. It finds your cooling limits as well as stability. Set it at 4.7 and then tinker with vcore and LLC to get it running as cool as possible while still passing IBT AVX at very high. A Phanteks 14 PE should handle that fine. If temperatures go over 62C, then you need to work on your cooling including case fans. When you get it so it can do that, then your everyday temps will be fine. As an example here is my temps after a gaming session pushing a Fury @ 1440P. Note the idle temps of 21C and the max temps of 60C with average temps of 45C.
Joined
·
16 Posts
Quote:
I enabled some of the power save features with the same voltage 1.4v and now it's idling at 32c which is pretty damn good for this chip. I have noticed some slight stutter everynow and then because of the power save obviously it's ramping down and back up when needed. For gaming I would disable the power save features.Originally Posted by fra z
This seems like a good plan -- Could you have got the volatage lower than 1.4 v? [and maintain stability] -![smile.gif]( "smile.gif")
Joined
·
3,404 Posts
Without proper cooling the 9590 isn't worth the trouble. IMHO 60mm x 360 at minimum. Same for the 8350 etc when we start taking about 5GHz.
I have been running what you see in rig sig for two years trouble free at 5117MHz 24 hr P95 stable with 1.488v in bios (bounces between 1.488 and 1.5v idle in win 10) and a steady 1.512v under load.
That ole familiar saying "budget parts = budget results" has never been more true.
Will it work? Probably. Check the "Official CHIV" link in my sig. On the OP there's a "members List" showing a lot of really good OC data members obtained. The thread itself will have the info you'll need for the 8xxx series as well.
Not saying it'll be easy.... but might be doable.
You may have more fun running a 1090T the CHIV.
It's cheaper, not as hard to cool and with a moderate loop 4.2GHz with 3000MHz NB isn't out of the question.
This is my 1090T on a CHIV-F with a 4233MHz and 3211MHz CPU/NB
Like others are telling you, if at all possible wait it out.
Speaking from personal experience, I too have just switched to AM4 (1800x/CHVI) and with this setup still at default it simply kicks my 5117MHz/9590's behind.
May be time to put ole girl on the selling block!
I have been running what you see in rig sig for two years trouble free at 5117MHz 24 hr P95 stable with 1.488v in bios (bounces between 1.488 and 1.5v idle in win 10) and a steady 1.512v under load.
That ole familiar saying "budget parts = budget results" has never been more true.
Will it work? Probably. Check the "Official CHIV" link in my sig. On the OP there's a "members List" showing a lot of really good OC data members obtained. The thread itself will have the info you'll need for the 8xxx series as well.
Not saying it'll be easy.... but might be doable.
You may have more fun running a 1090T the CHIV.
It's cheaper, not as hard to cool and with a moderate loop 4.2GHz with 3000MHz NB isn't out of the question.
This is my 1090T on a CHIV-F with a 4233MHz and 3211MHz CPU/NB
Like others are telling you, if at all possible wait it out.
Speaking from personal experience, I too have just switched to AM4 (1800x/CHVI) and with this setup still at default it simply kicks my 5117MHz/9590's behind.
May be time to put ole girl on the selling block!
Joined
·
3 Posts
The FX-9590 will do well with a Evo 212 with a push/pull configuration.Hell it cools better than my H80 Corsair,and it's beast when it's O/C.I personally have the 9370 which is basically the same,and I have had it down to -1 with an Evo 212 at idle,and 50 degrees Celsius under Prime95 for over an hour of max CPU loads.I recently built a 1700x,and honestly the benchmarks show better but that 9590 will be viable for at least another couple of years easy.
Joined
·
2,506 Posts
Quote:
I agree with this. If you already have one then run what you have. As a 9590 owner I cannot recommend buying one. If it is an issue of cost, used x79 setups are pretty cheap these days and miles better than AM3. 3930K is still a pretty solid chip.Originally Posted by JackCY
Do yourself a favor and switch to AM4 6 or 8 core CPU, totally worth it. Don't bother with Faildozer anymore. Save up and make the jump. 9590 = 8350 overvolted and overclocked, nothing more, all are power hogs with low performance.
Joined
·
3,184 Posts
Quote:
That Phanteks cooler will not keep a 9590 cool except at idle. Neither will a NH-D15. Good for up to 250 watts means nothing. My 6300 at 4.8 GHz under load pulls 220 watts from the wall. I never tested my 8370 but I bet it's even more. Under a heavy load I bet the 9590 pulls at the very least 300 watts and probably more.Originally Posted by fra z
Hi Miklkit,
I do have a Phanteks PH-14 or similar - Also have a Coolermaster V8 that is good for upto 250 watts [or similar] - In time I'll add a Noctura - then compare etc...... I know 24/7 use is self explanatory but what level of sustained use would show up a defficient cooling solution?
Maybe an hour on idle to see see average temps? - Then a test of some sort but not too severe [gentle] - Monitor temps to see what's happening
I don't have much experience yet but I did see an Intel i7 3930k with Phanteks PH-14 TC [off the top of my head] idle at around 31-32 degrees C with two fans - I don't even know if the fans are PWM or not [3 pins] and a bit of a fuss where one of the advertised cables were not included - I think I got an older model - Much more to learn in time!
AMD is going to be 10 degrees hotter out of the box isn't it?
Joined
·
3,184 Posts
Double post.
Joined
·
3,184 Posts
Quote:
You are kidding right? a Hyper 212 EVO is an entry level cooler at best. Suited for a 95 or 125 watt cpu. Having two fans on a tiny radiator like a Hyper 212 EVO does basically nothing more than having a single fan. A Hyper 212 EVO and a 9590 is laughable.Originally Posted by surgeman
The FX-9590 will do well with a Evo 212 with a push/pull configuration.
Joined
·
3 Posts
I know it works well...I was running it solid for over a month myself on a 9370 and not once I had temps over 60 degrees Celsius.Tiny radiator?Have you seen the size of it in front you?It uses 120mm fans front and back and even has the extra bracket to mount the secondary fan.It's far from "tiny" in any way.But it works well..it cooled better than a Corsair H80 with a push pull configuration and I have used many entry level coolers in the past.Oh...by the way..9370's and 9590's have a TDP of 212 watts to be exact but it's rated at 220 watts..
Joined
·
3,404 Posts
Quote:
I'm guessing it was throttling.
How about a snip showing said chip running IBT AVX version set to Very High for 10-20 runs or Prime95 on Blend for even an hour. (check back a few posts to get an idea)
Neither the H80 or Hyper 212 will even come close to taming this beast. Many have tried, all have failed. Unless under volting is your thing (or you live in the Arctic Circle).
As for the size of the H80 lol, Chrisjames61 said it well. Absolutely laughable for a 9590/70.
Cooled it while doing what?Originally Posted by surgeman
I know it works well...I was running it solid for over a month myself on a 9370 and not once I had temps over 60 degrees Celsius.Tiny radiator?Have you seen the size of it in front you?It uses 120mm fans front and back and even has the extra bracket to mount the secondary fan.It's far from "tiny" in any way.But it works well..it cooled better than a Corsair H80 with a push pull configuration and I have used many entry level coolers in the past.
I'm guessing it was throttling.
How about a snip showing said chip running IBT AVX version set to Very High for 10-20 runs or Prime95 on Blend for even an hour. (check back a few posts to get an idea)
Neither the H80 or Hyper 212 will even come close to taming this beast. Many have tried, all have failed. Unless under volting is your thing (or you live in the Arctic Circle).
As for the size of the H80 lol, Chrisjames61 said it well. Absolutely laughable for a 9590/70.
I mean I plan on building a better rig here in a year or two. I just want a little more outta my current one, then the parts from my current rig migrate over to my daily depths of the interweb rig since I don't want to do that stuff on my gaming/secure rig. I figure if I can spend $120 and get a bit more performance outta it why not.
So that's why I was in the tossup between 8350/70 vs 9370 and 9590. The first two are 130 the 9370 is 109 and the 9590 is 140 so not a big deal. I have the big stupid noctua cooler on it, was debating the new thermaltake water 3.0 240mm.
I don't even know if the mobo will run a 9xxx series so it's sounding like the 8370 will be the better option and maybe bump it up a little bit.
I figure if I go to AM4 I would need new/better ram anyways and at that point new mobo new ram new cpu I might aswell just make it a whole new rig. I bought the 1080 cause I was tired of my god awfully loud and hot sli 470s lol.
So that's why I was in the tossup between 8350/70 vs 9370 and 9590. The first two are 130 the 9370 is 109 and the 9590 is 140 so not a big deal. I have the big stupid noctua cooler on it, was debating the new thermaltake water 3.0 240mm.
I don't even know if the mobo will run a 9xxx series so it's sounding like the 8370 will be the better option and maybe bump it up a little bit.
I figure if I go to AM4 I would need new/better ram anyways and at that point new mobo new ram new cpu I might aswell just make it a whole new rig. I bought the 1080 cause I was tired of my god awfully loud and hot sli 470s lol.
Joined
·
2,506 Posts
Quote:
The smallest I would go is a 280mm on this chip. Still will need good fans in push pull with good airflow. On a 420mm rad it still runs hot.Originally Posted by Johnn999
I mean I plan on building a better rig here in a year or two. I just want a little more outta my current one, then the parts from my current rig migrate over to my daily depths of the interweb rig since I don't want to do that stuff on my gaming/secure rig. I figure if I can spend $120 and get a bit more performance outta it why not.
So that's why I was in the tossup between 8350/70 vs 9370 and 9590. The first two are 130 the 9370 is 109 and the 9590 is 140 so not a big deal. I have the big stupid noctua cooler on it, was debating the new thermaltake water 3.0 240mm.
I don't even know if the mobo will run a 9xxx series so it's sounding like the 8370 will be the better option and maybe bump it up a little bit.
I figure if I go to AM4 I would need new/better ram anyways and at that point new mobo new ram new cpu I might aswell just make it a whole new rig. I bought the 1080 cause I was tired of my god awfully loud and hot sli 470s lol.
Joined
·
5,822 Posts
Quote:
The 212 is a good cooler for its size but it can not compete with the big boys. It's just way too small.
I know I have an above average air cooling setup but the Phanteks 14PE is not that bad. It is not as good as the top air coolers but is adequate. I used one for months cooling an 8370 @ 1.524 vcore and it is currently doing an adequate job cooling an 8370 @ 1.488vcore in a low air flow case. But the top air coolers are still a bit better. And as always I do not recommend using an air cooler on a 9xxx cpu.Originally Posted by chrisjames61
That Phanteks cooler will not keep a 9590 cool except at idle. Neither will a NH-D15. Good for up to 250 watts means nothing. My 6300 at 4.8 GHz under load pulls 220 watts from the wall. I never tested my 8370 but I bet it's even more. Under a heavy load I bet the 9590 pulls at the very least 300 watts and probably more.
The 212 is a good cooler for its size but it can not compete with the big boys. It's just way too small.
Quote:
Looks like I can fit a 240mm in the back of my case pushing directly out, or a 360 in the front pulling in....what would be better? Or I could go something like a h100i...idk I just don't like the huge noctua 12 or whatever I have, can't even put my case side panel on cause of it!
I don't think I can fit a 420mm anywhere lol. For being such a insanely big case there's not a whole lot of spots to put anything....ill get an 8370 then i suppose and the thermaltake water 3.0, i know a 240mm will fit but the 360 idk where on earth I would even put it. I despise my noctua with a passion it's just too darn big.Originally Posted by Dagamus NM
The smallest I would go is a 280mm on this chip. Still will need good fans in push pull with good airflow. On a 420mm rad it still runs hot.
Looks like I can fit a 240mm in the back of my case pushing directly out, or a 360 in the front pulling in....what would be better? Or I could go something like a h100i...idk I just don't like the huge noctua 12 or whatever I have, can't even put my case side panel on cause of it!
Joined
·
5,822 Posts
Oh, it is too tall! That is a common problem. The Silver Arrow IBE Extreme shown in my screenie is too tall to fit. It is offset to clear the 1st PCI slot but will not fit so I rotated it so it hangs down covering that slot. Not it fits into the bulge in the side panel.
![redface.gif]( "redface.gif")
The Noctua D14/D15, Silverstone HE01, and Phanteks 14PE are all shorter and fit fine. I don't know about the others like Cryorig and BeQuiet.
The Noctua D14/D15, Silverstone HE01, and Phanteks 14PE are all shorter and fit fine. I don't know about the others like Cryorig and BeQuiet.
Joined
·
2,506 Posts
Quote:
So a single 360 will have the greatest surface area of the three. The h110 is second and has the benefit of simplicity being an all in one. The h100i is not a good choice for an amd am3 chip.
Get the 8370e and put the 360 inside your case. In a pinch you can do an all in one, h110 is a better choice though. Gain quite a bit of surface area. 140x280=39,200mm^2, 360x120=43,200mm^2, h100i is 120x240=28,800mm^2.Originally Posted by Johnn999
I don't think I can fit a 420mm anywhere lol. For being such a insanely big case there's not a whole lot of spots to put anything....ill get an 8370 then i suppose and the thermaltake water 3.0, i know a 240mm will fit but the 360 idk where on earth I would even put it. I despise my noctua with a passion it's just too darn big.
Looks like I can fit a 240mm in the back of my case pushing directly out, or a 360 in the front pulling in....what would be better? Or I could go something like a h100i...idk I just don't like the huge noctua 12 or whatever I have, can't even put my case side panel on cause of it!
So a single 360 will have the greatest surface area of the three. The h110 is second and has the benefit of simplicity being an all in one. The h100i is not a good choice for an amd am3 chip.
Joined
·
3,404 Posts
Quote:
The exhaust off the rad really isn't that hot and when it mixes with the air already in the case, the temp difference over all (inside the case) normally won't change much at all. My case runs 3 rads all as intake (check rig sig) with one 140mm exhaust. This Xigmatek case is different as it has a huge steel mess insert (240mm x 280mm) within the clear window on the left case cover with a 200mm fan which has been removed and now is a simple free air exhaust port.
Have you given any thought to a external rad mount/set up?
It'll give you time to think/decide what your new rig will have/need and simply move the external setup inside in the next build. This also allows you to fully enjoy OCing with a lot less temp issue and is putting money towards the new rig! Think of what your future needs/wants might be.
This was my first set up with a NZXT M59 case using a 360 Rasa kit.
This rad is now in the front of my current setup.
To date, 5 yrs under water and not one issue. Lovin every minute of it
![biggrin.gif]( "biggrin.gif")
As odd as it may seem the 360 in front as intake would work best.Originally Posted by Johnn999
Looks like I can fit a 240mm in the back of my case pushing directly out, or a 360 in the front pulling in....what would be better? Or I could go something like a h100i...idk I just don't like the huge noctua 12 or whatever I have, can't even put my case side panel on cause of it!
The exhaust off the rad really isn't that hot and when it mixes with the air already in the case, the temp difference over all (inside the case) normally won't change much at all. My case runs 3 rads all as intake (check rig sig) with one 140mm exhaust. This Xigmatek case is different as it has a huge steel mess insert (240mm x 280mm) within the clear window on the left case cover with a 200mm fan which has been removed and now is a simple free air exhaust port.
Have you given any thought to a external rad mount/set up?
It'll give you time to think/decide what your new rig will have/need and simply move the external setup inside in the next build. This also allows you to fully enjoy OCing with a lot less temp issue and is putting money towards the new rig! Think of what your future needs/wants might be.
This was my first set up with a NZXT M59 case using a 360 Rasa kit.
To date, 5 yrs under water and not one issue. Lovin every minute of it
Joined
·
3,184 Posts
Quote:
I have a couple Hyper 212 EVO's and they are tiny even compared to other higher end 120mm coolers such as a Themalright 120 Extreme which is a very, very good cooler even seven years after its release. The Thermalright has a much bigger base and heatpipes for instance.Originally Posted by surgeman
I know it works well...I was running it solid for over a month myself on a 9370 and not once I had temps over 60 degrees Celsius.Tiny radiator?Have you seen the size of it in front you?It uses 120mm fans front and back and even has the extra bracket to mount the secondary fan.It's far from "tiny" in any way.But it works well..it cooled better than a Corsair H80 with a push pull configuration and I have used many entry level coolers in the past.Oh...by the way..9370's and 9590's have a TDP of 212 watts to be exact but it's rated at 220 watts..
Joined
·
76 Posts
Oh god. i had a 8320 @ 4.5ghz with a gtx 970 oc and it struggled to get 70fps in battlefield 4 ultra while my friend with an i7 4770 at stock and gtx 780 got 95fps+ on ultra get off that cpu when u can go ryzen or i7 for the best fps
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro
21 - 40 of 49 Posts
-
?
-
?
-
?
-
?
-
?
-
?
-
?
-
?
-
?
-
?
-
?
-
?
-
?
-
?
-
?
-
?
-
?
-
?
-
?
-
?
