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I have tried to do a delid myself, but the silicone sealant that I'm using, seems less then ideal. Its very flexible, and having done my first delid a bit badly and have had to pull it off again to redo it, I noticied the sealant was completely impossible to deal with, compared to the stuff Intel put on it originally.

So it made me wonder, what stuff do you guys use?
 
We use an industrial sealant that can't be purchased in smaller quantities.

I don't particularly get why everyone has started sealing their IHS back on after delidding. It makes sense for us, we're shipping the CPUs- but if you're doing it yourself why not just have the IHS sit free on the die held down by the socket clamp? That used to be how everyone did it.
 
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...if you're doing it yourself why not just have the IHS sit free on the die held down by the socket clamp?...
To keep it from shifting when installing the cooler?
 
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There may be a little shifting when lowering the socket clamp, but nothing is going to move anywhere after that point.
this... Pressure plate holds it in place fine. Offset it a little higher than normal when clamping it down since it may move down a bit when fastening, but after that good to go. You'd have to try REALLY hard to move the IHS after the clamp is down.
 
+1 for just letting the socket clamp hold things in place. if you put the IHS just slightly higher and sort of control it when closing the lid, it will be perfectly in place.

i've got a 4790k, 4770k, 3770k, and g3258 all delidded and held in place just like that.
 
I realize that the IHS isn't going anywhere once the cooler is cinched down. What I'll admit not knowing is if any shifting of the IHS while cinching down the cooler, be it slight or otherwise, would be a problem or not. It seems to me that a tiny drop of some kind of adhesive at the corners would be cheap insurance from excessive shifting (even if only for the paranoid, like me) and still allow the IHS to be easily removed should the TIM ever need refreshing.

At least it will be a long time before I need to worry about it since my next rig will be Haswell-E (those chips are soldered) and it will have to last me a long time.
 
The cheap tube of Permatex Ultra Black. No reason to go buy some fancy schmancy "ULTRA HIGH TEMP" rtv...as the basic RTV is already resistant to 500 degrees Farenheit. just my two cents.
 
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There may be a little shifting when lowering the socket clamp, but nothing is going to move anywhere after that point.
Only if you do it right the first time. If you have to take it off due to poor TIM coverage between the IHS and water block and have to clean and redo, then it's just easier to have glued it. The delidder crowd has expanded since introduction of the tools so some of us who are now delidding may not have perfected the application. Personally, I did have to take the block off and redo the TIM and I'm pretty sure the IHS would have come off as well if I hadn't of glued it down.

I guess you can make an argument about not gluing it in case you mess it up on the inside. But, it's not that much time to use the tool again and re-glue it. It's just easier to deal with gluing it now while you're already working with it then to have to deal with it being unglued down the road when you eventually have to take it off, like if you're upgrading..
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The cheap tube of Permatex Ultra Black. No reason to go buy some fancy schmancy "ULTRA HIGH TEMP" rtv...as the basic RTV is already resistant to 500 degrees Farenheit. just my two cents.
That's what I used.
 
The only downside to that risking cracking the PCB, which would render the CPU a paperweight.

Cat
I'm considering using Super Glue Gel Control and only a small dot in each corner. What is the risk to cracking the PCB?
 
In the end, although I purchased some black ATV sealant, went w/out any.

Mainly because many articles pointed out that the adhesive would defeat the purpose of delidding. So I did my 4790K with liquid metal & used one of the Rockit 88 custom copper IHS (along with their delid tool), worked perfectly. All I had to do was sit the prepped die into the socket, placed the IHS down gently & while holding just enough pressure to prevent movement, locked down the lever. The replacement IHS was just as slick as the cleaned mating surface of the Noctua NH-D15 cooler, so very little AS5 was used, spread a thin layer & installed.

Project was a huge success, didn't (like with rough surface IHS's) require 200 hours of cure time, about 4-5 days normal usage, with a few Prime95 runs (the small FTT option) of 30 minutes along the way. Not a bad outcome for a 1st time delidder & now can't force the i7-4790K to go past the 67C mark, once let Prime95 run for over 2 straight hours. Before this, would easily go into the low to mid 80C range.

Here's the snapshot of the long Prime95 run with CoreTemp running the whole time (it starts with Windows). Also, idle temps has never been this low, not even when new.

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Rockit 88 100% Copper IHS (polished) for 1150/1155 used. Had I known that I wasn't going to seal the IHS, would have chosen the option for IHS only (no relid guide, $13.99) & purchased an extra IHS for $4 more, that would have given me one for all three Haswell CPU's I have. Now will have to pay shipping just to get the extra, wasn't going to initially install one on the i7-4770 in the XPS 8700, yet it may be the one that'll benefit the most. Unlike the Haswell Refresh line, the earlier models (to include the i7-4770K doesn't have as good thermals & less capacitors. The XPS 8700 began to run warmer months after purchase. Not even a low profile copper tubed Cooler Master Vortex with Noctua PWM fan replacement, followed by using SpeedFan to make these spin 3x faster (stock was 809 rpm) is making much difference. Nor the added intake, there's no lack or airflow, that's for sure. At any rate, will be my next project.

https://rockitcool.myshopify.com/products/copper-ihs-for-lga-1150

The Rockit 88 delid tool & their custom IHS replacements makes the job easy, even for a total noob to delidding. Skip the sealant & get the most benefit from the delid!

Cat
 
I'm considering using Super Glue Gel Control and only a small dot in each corner. What is the risk to cracking the PCB?
Zero.

Mainly because many articles pointed out that the adhesive would defeat the purpose of delidding.
It doesn't.

The purpose of delidding is to reduce the distance from the top of the die to the underside of the IHS and replace the TIM that fills that distance with something more conductive.

The bondline of a properly applied adhesive at the edges of the IHS is miniscule.
 
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