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Are you interested in this new Sugo SG13?

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#2,843 ·
nisc said:
My i/o front panel is damaged. Is not easy to find the original one from Silvestone where I live.
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I modeled the original assembly when I made a new front cover, I will pull some dimensions for you tonight.
 
#2,844 ·
nisc said:
Would this I/O fit into SG13?

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Looks like the one you linked will probably be a no-go.

Here are the audio/USB dimensions that come off my SG13.

The notch on the upper right in the top view is very important because that is where a screw secures the board in place.
 

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#2,846 ·
I'm considering this case, but I'm not sure if some of the components I have are really appropriate.

CPU Cooler: Thermalright AXP-200 Muscle (73 mm)
GPU: MSI GTX 960 (open-air, 267 mm)

I have an SFX PSU, so the AXP-200 *might* fit, but I question how effective it will be in such a tight space. Also, the GPU will probably fit, but it's open-air.

What I would like is a case that is less than 300 mm in height, less than 20 L in volume, and good thermally. Considering the components I have, is the SG13 a good fit, or are there cases that will give much cooler temps given the constraints? I've looked at the Fractal Design Core 500 and Cougar QBX, but I'm not sure how much better they would be for temps. Thoughts?
 
#2,847 ·
the 1 said:
I'm considering this case, but I'm not sure if some of the components I have are really appropriate.

CPU Cooler: Thermalright AXP-200 Muscle (73 mm)
GPU: MSI GTX 960 (open-air, 267 mm)

I have an SFX PSU, so the AXP-200 *might* fit, but I question how effective it will be in such a tight space. Also, the GPU will probably fit, but it's open-air.

What I would like is a case that is less than 300 mm in height, less than 20 L in volume, and good thermally. Considering the components I have, is the SG13 a good fit, or are there cases that will give much cooler temps given the constraints? I've looked at the Fractal Design Core 500 and Cougar QBX, but I'm not sure how much better they would be for temps. Thoughts?
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You might be able to fit the Thermalright AXP-200 Muscle with an SFX PSU mounted high, however airflow will not be that great due to the PSU blocking a good portion of the air supply.



If you are interested, mounting the PSU in the front of the case and freeing up all the room above the CPU takes the case from being not very good thermally, to a pretty stellar performer when air cooling.
 
#2,848 ·
Max78 said:
You might be able to fit the Thermalright AXP-200 Muscle with an SFX PSU mounted high, however airflow will not be that great due to the PSU blocking a good portion of the air supply.



If you are interested, mounting the PSU in the front of the case and freeing up all the room above the CPU takes the case from being not very good thermally, to a pretty stellar performer when air cooling.
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Thanks for the reply. What's the easiest way to front-mount the PSU?
 
#2,850 ·
jirachijirachi said:
The best is if you have access to a 3D printer/laser cutter/CNC machine that can build an adapter that holds your PSU while being secured to either the front fan holes or bottom SSD holes.
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That's what I was afraid of. I don't have access to a 3D printer, so I think I'll have to pass with this mod.

I was considering the SG08 as well, but it sounds like it's not a great case. That's a shame, because the size is great.
 
#2,851 · (Edited)
the 1 said:
jirachijirachi said:
The best is if you have access to a 3D printer/laser cutter/CNC machine that can build an adapter that holds your PSU while being secured to either the front fan holes or bottom SSD holes.
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That's what I was afraid of. I don't have access to a 3D printer, so I think I'll have to pass with this mod.

I was considering the SG08 as well, but it sounds like it's not a great case. That's a shame, because the size is great.
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It really depends on what you are willing to do mod wise. I have 3d printed parts on my build, but i could have done my mods with some paper and off the shelf stuff.

If you are willing to cut into a new case to mount the psu similar to what i did, then all you need is a drill and dremel or tin snips.

I simply used printed parts because i have one and I'm always looking for an excuse to use it!

If you dont want to cut the case to mount it there are still some options given you have an SFX psu. You could mount on its side and use some double sided tape to keep it there. Might not be the most professional job ever, but a little time and attention to detail things can look great and no one would know the difference.

I believe there are a couple people out there that side mounted an sfx psu with great results.

The other thing is, if you plan to run your system at stock speeds then your setup will be just fine with psu mounted in its stock location.

I really like the SG13 and that's why I put so much effort into mine, its a great size and with some minor laout changes ir can be a great air cooling machine!
 
#2,852 ·
Max78 said:
It really depends on what you are willing to do mod wise. I have 3d printed parts on my build, but i could have done my mods with some paper and off the shelf stuff.

If you are willing to cut into a new case to mount the psu similar to what i did, then all you need is a drill and dremel or tin snips.

I simply used printed parts because i have one and I'm always looking for an excuse to use it!

If you dont want to cut the case to mount it there are still some options given you have an SFX psu. You could mount on its side and use some double sided tape to keep it there. Might not be the most professional job ever, but a little time and attention to detail things can look great and no one would know the difference.

I believe there are a couple people out there that side mounted an sfx psu with great results.

The other thing is, if you plan to run your system at stock speeds then your setup will be just fine with psu mounted in its stock location.

I really like the SG13 and that's why I put so much effort into mine, its a great size and with some minor layout changes it can be a great air cooling machine!
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Thanks again for the advice. I suppose I could always try modding the case later. Out of curiosity, what GPU temps do you get?
 
#2,853 ·
GPU temps are ok, not great because the massive cooler barely fits in the case and has a small area to exhaust the hot air.

If I knew I was going to end up in such a tiny case i would have gone with a blower style card, or maybe one that wasn't so massive.

When I play a game that really stresses it the fans will kick on and the thing gets stupid loud.
 
#2,854 ·
@Max78 Your BIG PSU seems to really take up space and made you have to do a bunch of mods to make things more workable, why didn't you think about investing in a smaller SFX PSU and simply reverse the plug orientation and mount it like 4cm off the bottom. Then you could have routed the plug out the back and kept all the other openings the same. Also since you might be into Vega theres a Sapphire Pulse Vega 56 card which is quite small, maybe it would help a bit with the thermals?
 
#2,855 · (Edited)
makosharker said:
@Max78 Your BIG PSU seems to really take up space and made you have to do a bunch of mods to make things more workable, why didn't you think about investing in a smaller SFX PSU and simply reverse the plug orientation and mount it like 4cm off the bottom. Then you could have routed the plug out the back and kept all the other openings the same. Also since you might be into Vega theres a Sapphire Pulse Vega 56 card which is quite small, maybe it would help a bit with the thermals?
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It is definitely a BIG PSU, I did that for a couple reasons.

I want to be able to overclock my system (CPU and GPU) after I get the build completely figured out and and feel the need to do so. So far I have don't see a need to overclock just yet.

So that put my wattage at a min of 550w for me, I would liked to have gone more but that was my other issue, money.

I had a VERY tight budget that I was working with, and I couldn't afford to splurge even a little for a better part, I had X amount of dollars to work with and that was it. I also like a challenge!

All of the SFX PSUs that had the wattage I was looking for were $85+, I purchased the one in my system for $35 on sale. As a result I was able to shift that $50 from the SFX PSU to my memory allowing me to get 16Gb 3200mhz RAM. There is also a much wider range of ATX size PSUs available if I feel the need to upgrade for whatever reason later down the road.
 
#2,856 · (Edited)
Ok, thanks for the reply. I'm going to get the case and see how much clearance is there / use some imagination to see if it will work. At the moment I'm imagining some simple open brackets on the top and bottom (kind of like the ATX to SFX converter that you can buy for the case) with a small piece of metal opposite the fan side of the PSU to hold it in place (with simple screws / nuts). Here's the general look I'm imagining based on your open back design using air cooling - https://i.imgur.com/5OLS89Q.jpg


EDIT: @Max78 Another two estimates - https://imgur.com/a/90DA8Sc
 
#2,857 ·
makosharker said:
Ok, thanks for the reply. I'm going to get the case and see how much clearance is there / use some imagination to see if it will work. At the moment I'm imagining some simple open brackets on the top and bottom (kind of like the ATX to SFX converter that you can buy for the case) with a small piece of metal opposite the fan side of the PSU to hold it in place (with simple screws / nuts). Here's the general look I'm imagining based on your open back design using air cooling - https://i.imgur.com/5OLS89Q.jpg


EDIT: @Max78 Another two estimates - https://imgur.com/a/90DA8Sc
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If you can find a low profile right angle power cord then that would be a great layout!. If you find one be sure to share where you got it because the shortest one I found is still 1 inch (25.4mm) tall. That will take up a lot of vertical room in the case.
 
#2,859 ·
makosharker said:
Ok, thanks for the reply. I'm going to get the case and see how much clearance is there / use some imagination to see if it will work. At the moment I'm imagining some simple open brackets on the top and bottom (kind of like the ATX to SFX converter that you can buy for the case) with a small piece of metal opposite the fan side of the PSU to hold it in place (with simple screws / nuts). Here's the general look I'm imagining based on your open back design using air cooling - https://i.imgur.com/5OLS89Q.jpg


EDIT: @Max78 Another two estimates - https://imgur.com/a/90DA8Sc
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I am using this layout right now with a SF450. I 3D-printed a mount that holds the PSU and they are secured to the front 120mm fan hole. You have about 170mm of height to play with and the minimum bottom clearance (for all cables to get out) is about 30-40mm. This will leave 30-40mm room on top, enough for most power cable. You won't be able to use the HDD caddy bay though.


EDIT: I did not use the front panel IO. If you insist on using the USB 3.0 in front, you will need more clearance because those cables are pretty clunky.
 
#2,860 ·
jirachijirachi said:
I am using this layout right now with a SF450. I 3D-printed a mount that holds the PSU and they are secured to the front 120mm fan hole. You have about 170mm of height to play with and the minimum bottom clearance (for all cables to get out) is about 30-40mm. This will leave 30-40mm room on top, enough for most power cable. You won't be able to use the HDD caddy bay though.


EDIT: I did not use the front panel IO. If you insist on using the USB 3.0 in front, you will need more clearance because those cables are pretty clunky.
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Wouldn't you have been able to use your front IO ports if you had opted for a smaller angled power cable on the top though? Another user said he found cables that were only about 2.5cm tall. Your 3D printed mount idea sounds perfect, do you have any pictures / 3D models that you can share for other people to use your design?
 
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