[Official] Ryzen 2700 and 2700X Owners Club

ShrimpBrime · Jan 29, 2019

@lightsout yes direct die cooling always on liquid loop. Otherwise theres no point in doing a delid.

cowboy44mag · Jan 29, 2019

Minotaurtoo said:
my kit is the polar opposite... I couldn't get speed for nothing (probably motherboard related), but my timings were easily tightened... I want to get another board and try for more speed just to see...

I've been having a love/ hate relationship with my board. On one end it is a good quality board that is very stable and I'm getting overall good performance out of it. On the other hand I know my other equipment can be pushed further and lack of bios options has me hamstrung where I am. I also find it strange that sometimes after making a failed adjustment I needed to do full CMOS resets by pulling the battery and other times it will do what its supposed to do with the three cycle power on/ off and your settings are crap press F1 screen. I've also found with this board that after the three cycle power down and press F1 to correct your settings I have to do a "load optimal defaults" allow to fully boot, power down and then power back up and go into bios and try again. If I don't do the load optimal defaults first everything acts really screwy.

I've entertained getting a better motherboard several times, but with Ryzen 3rd gen so close to launch now I'll hold off and if I'm still extremely annoyed with this motherboard at that time I'll get a quality X570 motherboard (this time either the Asus Hero or quality MSI). If the rumors of Ryzen 3rd gen are true with a 13% IPC gain over the 2700X I may just upgrade the processor too and either sell this motherboard and processor or make a build around it to sell. As much as I love my 2700X, a 13% IPC gain (and possibly 12 - 16 cores) would be amazing.

cowboy44mag · Jan 29, 2019

nick name said:
You mentioned that the DRAM Calculator gave you some grief -- one thing you should watch out for is tRCDWR and tRCDRD in the calculator are in a different order than in some BIOS. ASUS for example. It took me a long time to realize this, but when I did it was a game changer. So for 3600 I use 14-15-14-14-28 but in the DRAM Calculator it is ordered as 14-14-15-14-28. Before I realized it I was punching them all in the order they appeared in the Calculator and that was not.good.at all.

Went back through and made sure every setting was entered properly, but Ryzen RAM calculator just doesn't work with my setup. I tried to keep the settings I know work and tighten the other ones with the RAM calculator but it won't post with those settings. I would literally have to go through each one, one by one and find where the best setting is. I will eventually do that, but I need the rig up and doing rendering/ video editing projects.

The really strange thing is I can actually clock the RAM easily past 3600Mhz, had it totally stable at 3800Mhz with default timings and 1.4V, but tightening up the timings plays hell with it. I ended up scaling back to 3600Mhz as at 3800Mhz the gain was very minimal and I wanted to work on tightening the timings.

enigma7820 · Jan 29, 2019

Minotaurtoo said:
enigma7820 said:

here you go i needed some time to test, 59c max with my 7+ hour test on occt. using nh-d15. Tested with 1 hour of linpack too and 20+ runs of cinebench and of course this occt screenshot and many games. 4.2ghz is possible too but i have voltage spikes to j1.525 at times to make it stable with an average vcore of 1.45v and it isn't worth it in my opinion. My board only does offset which i am sure if i bought a better board i can overclock a bit better but am satisfied since on siliconlottery website 13% of 2700x's do 4.2ghz at 1.45v, so my 1.35v for 4.1ghz is right on par with their samples as well.

Click to expand...

I get the best results on my tuf board by using PBO and a negative voltage offset of .1. Not sure if yours has that feature though... I get around 1900 in cinebench with that and still have the advantage of 4.3+ ghz single core boosts that helps out in normal apps and games.

Hey man thanks for the recommendation, I did a -.100 offset with LLC at medium, with PBO on and perfect!! Thank you I prefer this method over my static 4.1ghz overclock. Same voltages as my 4.1 overclock and I get the 4.35ghz boost on less demanding tasks. If i leave the board on defaults it gives me spikes upto 1.525 with pbo i dont like that although I'm sure amd designed it to be safe i still like vcore at around 1.4v

nick name · Jan 29, 2019

cowboy44mag said:
Went back through and made sure every setting was entered properly, but Ryzen RAM calculator just doesn't work with my setup. I tried to keep the settings I know work and tighten the other ones with the RAM calculator but it won't post with those settings. I would literally have to go through each one, one by one and find where the best setting is. I will eventually do that, but I need the rig up and doing rendering/ video editing projects.

The really strange thing is I can actually clock the RAM easily past 3600Mhz, had it totally stable at 3800Mhz with default timings and 1.4V, but tightening up the timings plays hell with it. I ended up scaling back to 3600Mhz as at 3800Mhz the gain was very minimal and I wanted to work on tightening the timings.

Is your kit Hynix CJR?

cowboy44mag · Jan 29, 2019

nick name said:
Is your kit Hynix CJR?

I actually have Hynix A die. When I bought it I thought it was Samsung B die, by the time I realized my mistake it was too late to return. Considering it isn't "B" die I have been happy with the performance I've gotten out of it as it is only rated to be 3200Mhz 16-18-18-38. I actually ordered a CL14 kit but was sent this, unfortunately I was so excited to just start building my new rig its something that went unnoticed till I started attempting to overclock the RAM and by then it was too late to send back.

I have done some further timing adjustments:

cowboy44mag · Jan 30, 2019

Been trying different RAM configurations all night, and have come up with the one posted above and the one below as my best possible configurations. The one above is stressing clock speed and the one below has tighter timings. I get very similar benchmark results from both, and both are stable with 1.4V. Does anyone think that there is an advantage to one over the other?

Hwgeek · Jan 30, 2019

Hi all, I also happy 2700X owner

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I got small problem, I must make my PC silent !, almost Passive cooling silent bcause I cannot stand even tiny fan/pump nose (got very sensitive ears

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What do you recommend?
I have tried Arctie Freezer 240/Antec Khuler K240 -both have very noise pump for my ears.
Al so i got Nitro+ RX 470 that I would like to make him silent too.

cowboy44mag · Jan 30, 2019

Hwgeek said:
Hi all, I also happy 2700X owner .
I got small problem, I must make my PC silent !, almost Passive cooling silent bcause I cannot stand even tiny fan/pump nose (got very sensitive ears ).
What do you recommend?
I have tried Arctie Freezer 240/Antec Khuler K240 -both have very noise pump for my ears.
Al so i got Nitro+ RX 470 that I would like to make him silent too.

Generally speaking the quietest cooling solutions have always been big heat sink air coolers like the Noctua NHD-15, NH-U14S, and their variants. Noctua fans are always rated at the top of performance for both air flow and low noise. With no running pump and a large 140mm quiet Noctua fan you just really can't get any quieter than that. As for your Nitro+ RX 470, that is another beast all together. The only real way to make it quieter is to run a water block on it and then your going to have pump noise and putting a water block on a RX 470 is just way over the top wasteful when considering expense. Unfortunately the RX cards are known to use a little more voltage, and thus run hotter therefore requiring a more robust cooling solution and fans running at higher rpm, not really a lot you can do about that.

Bruizer · Jan 30, 2019

Hwgeek said:
Hi all, I also happy 2700X owner .
I got small problem, I must make my PC silent !, almost Passive cooling silent bcause I cannot stand even tiny fan/pump nose (got very sensitive ears ).
What do you recommend?
I have tried Arctie Freezer 240/Antec Khuler K240 -both have very noise pump for my ears.
Al so i got Nitro+ RX 470 that I would like to make him silent too.

As has been stated, there is not much more you are going to be able to do outside of low rpm/low noise fans OR a sound dampened case. A case with sound dampening may be your best bet, though will more than likely not keep things as cool as a high airflow case.

You are going to have to make a trade-off somewhere. You may potentially have unrealistic expectations.

OR... just wear noise canceling headphones if you can't compromise.

minal · Jan 30, 2019

Hwgeek said:
Hi all, I also happy 2700X owner .
I got small problem, I must make my PC silent !, almost Passive cooling silent bcause I cannot stand even tiny fan/pump nose (got very sensitive ears ).
What do you recommend?
I have tried Arctie Freezer 240/Antec Khuler K240 -both have very noise pump for my ears.
Al so i got Nitro+ RX 470 that I would like to make him silent too.

My 2700X build is completely inaudible at idle and moderate loads. I use a Noctua NH-D15 SE-AM4 with fans around 500 RPM at idle and I use the low noise adapter. My case is a Fractal Design Define C, my PSU has a semi-passive mode and I've never heard the fan turn on, and the video card is a GT1030 with passive cooling. I can give you more details on my fans and RPMs if you like.

The main issue is that the Define C does restrict airflow, so temperatures are a few degrees higher than they would be with higher fan RPMs and the front panel removed. But it is possible to have a 2700X build with completely silent performance at idle and moderate load, and reasonably non-irritating sound at maximum/stress load.

constructorx · Jan 31, 2019

minal said:
My 2700X build is completely inaudible at idle and moderate loads. I use a Noctua NH-D15 SE-AM4 with fans around 500 RPM at idle and I use the low noise adapter. My case is a Fractal Design Define C, my PSU has a semi-passive mode and I've never heard the fan turn on, and the video card is a GT1030 with passive cooling. I can give you more details on my fans and RPMs if you like.

The main issue is that the Define C does restrict airflow, so temperatures are a few degrees higher than they would be with higher fan RPMs and the front panel removed. But it is possible to have a 2700X build with completely silent performance at idle and moderate load, and reasonably non-irritating sound at maximum/stress load.

I also have a Noctua NH-D15 SE-AM4 and have zero issues, very cool and quiet.

Hwgeek · Jan 31, 2019

Thank you, I am considering now to go Noctua cooler and thought about accelero xtreme iii so with those big heatsinks I can run the fan's at low RPM and also the keep using the Accelero xtreme iii when i upgrade the GPU (had Zotac Amp Extreme 1080TI it was nice).

cowboy44mag · Jan 31, 2019

Hwgeek said:
Thank you, I am considering now to go Noctua cooler and thought about accelero xtreme iii so with those big heatsinks I can run the fan's at low RPM and also the keep using the Accelero xtreme iii when i upgrade the GPU (had Zotac Amp Extreme 1080TI it was nice).

Your ears may be better than mine, but the Noctua 140mm fans even at full speed are pretty inaudible. High performance low noise is Noctua's reputation with fans. I just fine tuned my Vcore and am now at 1.3V under full load. With my Nh-U14S and two 140mm fans in push pull my idle temps are 18C and under full load I'm seeing max temps so far of 59 - 61C. Doing a simple Cinebench run I only hit a max temp of 49-50C. So far very impressed with this cooler (I also used Thermal Grizzly compound). The only thing I can't figure out now, after fine tuning my RAM and Vcore, is why under fulll load I'm capped off at 4250Mhz all core. Don't get me wrong, I'm not complaining as this is great performance and all I'm using is PBO, however my temps are totally under control and I was expecting a further boost of 4350Mhz+ as long as temps were under control. I don't understand with the temps totally in check why I'm not boosting further.

Mike-EEE · Jan 31, 2019

cowboy44mag said:
Your ears may be better than mine, but the Noctua 140mm fans even at full speed are pretty inaudible. High performance low noise is Noctua's reputation with fans. I just fine tuned my Vcore and am now at 1.3V under full load. With my Nh-U14S and two 140mm fans in push pull my idle temps are 18C and under full load I'm seeing max temps so far of 59 - 61C. Doing a simple Cinebench run I only hit a max temp of 49-50C. So far very impressed with this cooler (I also used Thermal Grizzly compound). The only thing I can't figure out now, after fine tuning my RAM and Vcore, is why under fulll load I'm capped off at 4250Mhz all core. Don't get me wrong, I'm not complaining as this is great performance and all I'm using is PBO, however my temps are totally under control and I was expecting a further boost of 4350Mhz+ as long as temps were under control. I don't understand with the temps totally in check why I'm not boosting further.

WOW... how on earth?! Congrats but... HOW?! LOL... I can't get my Cinebench to complete a pass with anything near 1.35 or below. It simply freezes.

However... I did notice that your Cinebench looks different from mine. I downloaded mine from the Maxon site... is there another location for it that everyone is using? I am running into a bug with my freezes, I am thinking? The files are dated from 2016.

nick name · Jan 31, 2019

cowboy44mag said:
Your ears may be better than mine, but the Noctua 140mm fans even at full speed are pretty inaudible. High performance low noise is Noctua's reputation with fans. I just fine tuned my Vcore and am now at 1.3V under full load. With my Nh-U14S and two 140mm fans in push pull my idle temps are 18C and under full load I'm seeing max temps so far of 59 - 61C. Doing a simple Cinebench run I only hit a max temp of 49-50C. So far very impressed with this cooler (I also used Thermal Grizzly compound). The only thing I can't figure out now, after fine tuning my RAM and Vcore, is why under fulll load I'm capped off at 4250Mhz all core. Don't get me wrong, I'm not complaining as this is great performance and all I'm using is PBO, however my temps are totally under control and I was expecting a further boost of 4350Mhz+ as long as temps were under control. I don't understand with the temps totally in check why I'm not boosting further.

Honestly, temps have to drop a lot lower to boost past 4.250GHz. If you wanna cheat to achieve it, though, you can. Use Sensi Mi Skew to lower reported temps and the CPU will boost more.

cowboy44mag · Jan 31, 2019

Mike-EEE said:
WOW... how on earth?! Congrats but... HOW?! LOL... I can't get my Cinebench to complete a pass with anything near 1.35 or below. It simply freezes.

However... I did notice that your Cinebench looks different from mine. I downloaded mine from the Maxon site... is there another location for it that everyone is using? I am running into a bug with my freezes, I am thinking? The files are dated from 2016.

My processor doesn't seem to need an awful lot of voltage, in fact I was actually over volting it more than I need to for a long time. I can actually set the Vcore even lower, however the thermal gains are minimal and I don't want to under volt the processor and have a negative effect on performance. Here is a scree shot of a typical Cinebench run most of the way through. I don't remember where I downloaded my Cinebench R15 from, it was a long time ago, but it is product version 15.0.3.8. There is a help drop down that had check for updates under it, when I check it says its the latest product, you may want to see if yours says there is an update available.

cowboy44mag · Jan 31, 2019

nick name said:
Honestly, temps have to drop a lot lower to boost past 4.250GHz. If you wanna cheat to achieve it, though, you can. Use Sensi Mi Skew to lower reported temps and the CPU will boost more.

Thanks :thumb:, I'll have to look into Sensi Mi, didn't know you could do that. I'm hoping that maybe giving myself another 5C will do the trick, I know my temperatures are well within check so I have some room to play with.

constructorx · Jan 31, 2019

cowboy44mag said:
My processor doesn't seem to need an awful lot of voltage, in fact I was actually over volting it more than I need to for a long time. I can actually set the Vcore even lower, however the thermal gains are minimal and I don't want to under volt the processor and have a negative effect on performance. Here is a scree shot of a typical Cinebench run most of the way through. I don't remember where I downloaded my Cinebench R15 from, it was a long time ago, but it is product version 15.0.3.8. There is a help drop down that had check for updates under it, when I check it says its the latest product, you may want to see if yours says there is an update available.

Very similar to my 2700x, Cinebench of 1972 with CPU Core Voltage set to 1.3V are my 24/7 settings.

cowboy44mag · Jan 31, 2019

constructorx said:
Very similar to my 2700x, Cinebench of 1972 with CPU Core Voltage set to 1.3V are my 24/7 settings.

I actually looked up your posts on how you configured your bios and used that as a base for making adjustments to my own. The only thing that I can't figure out is why PBO isn't scaling higher than it is. I boost to 4.250 all core and maintain that throughout benchmarking, but it won't boost higher than that even though it would appear that I have thermal headroom. Because it won't boost higher than 4.250 my cap Cinebench scores fall withing the 1950-1960 range. I know that you have gotten yours to scale up to 4.350Ghz all core. It was suggested that I use Sensi Mi Skew to lower the reported thermals and achieve a higher boost. Is that something that you did? My thermals as reported by HWMonitor are topping at 50C, hitting on average 48C. If I run a long test like Prime 95 for a couple hours I cap at 61C. I think that you have similar thermals, but I can't figure out why I won't boost higher than 4.250Ghz. I will be looking into the Sensi Mi Skew when I have time to do more fine tuning, but was just wondering what you did to get higher boosts.

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