Upgraded to faster ram and benchmark results are worse.

Ragsters · Sep 11, 2021

Hey guys! I wanted to boost my benchmark scores a bit so I decided to upgrade the speed of my ram. I upgraded from Corsair CMK32GX4M2B3200C16 ram to Teamgroup TF13D432G3600HC14CDC01 ram and benchmark results are not any better. The settings are correct in Bios and CPUZ via XMP profile. Do you guys know if Im doing anything wrong? Thinking of returning new ram but wanted to check with you guys first.

Specs of system can be found here:

Motherboard: Gigabyte B550i

CPU: AMD Ryzen 5600x

Ram: Teamgroup 3600Mhz

PSU: Corsair SF600 Gold with custom cables

GPU: Nvidia 3080FE

Cooler: EK240 Basic

Cryptedvick · Sep 11, 2021

Depends on the benchmarks you're running. If you're looking at 3DMark, you wont see any changes. For a difference of 3200Mhz to 3600Mhz, the only difference you'll see is in very specific memory benchmarks where Read Write and Copy speeds will be slightly higher, such as in Aida64.
Any other general benchmarks will be inconclusive.

Try pushing to 4000Mhz to see a little bit more of an improvement. Even there, differences will only be noticeable in specific benchmark applications.

Ragsters · Sep 11, 2021

Cryptedvick said:
Depends on the benchmarks you're running. If you're looking at 3DMark, you wont see any changes. For a difference of 3200Mhz to 3600Mhz, the only difference you'll see is in very specific memory benchmarks where Read Write and Copy speeds will be slightly higher, such as in Aida64.
Any other general benchmarks will be inconclusive.

Try pushing to 4000Mhz to see a little bit more of an improvement. Even there, differences will only be noticeable in specific benchmark applications.

The issue that I have is that the results are a bit worse. I was not expecting crazy new numbers but definitely not expecting worse number.

EastCoast · Sep 11, 2021

Ragsters said:
The issue that I have is that the results are a bit worse. I was not expecting crazy new numbers but definitely not expecting worse number.

how are they worst
what are they worst in
what are the timings between ram in the bios
what is the frequency between ram in the bios
what voltage are used between ram in the bios
what cpu and motherboard are you using and are you OC the CPU
is ram at just xmp or are you trying to tweak and/or oc the ram

You should have the common courtesy to provide more information then..."I got new ram and it don't perform, help?"

bscool · Sep 11, 2021

Have you run something like aida64 mem test to compare your overall mem performance and latency to see before and after? Or post an asrock timing config so you know your timings and sub timings are correct.

The Pook · Sep 11, 2021

tertaries and secondaries are set by your motherboard. the faster RAM probably has them raised to the moon for compatibility.

put your 3200 RAM in, open AsRock Timing Configurator, take a screenshot, then do the same with the 3600 and post the screenshots

EastCoast · Sep 11, 2021

bscool said:
Have you run something like aida64 mem test to compare your overall mem performance and latency to see before and after? Or post an asrock timing config so you know your timings and sub timings are correct.

I do wonder if he ever did this or just ran 3dmark. The gist is that he went from 3200 CL16 (18-18-x) to 3600 CL14 (15-15-X). In that case he would need to run a memory benchmark test as suggested. But I am curious as to his PC setup and what it reads in the bios.

Ragsters · Sep 11, 2021

The Pook said:
tertaries and secondaries are set by your motherboard. the faster RAM probably has them raised to the moon for compatibility.

put your 3200 RAM in, open AsRock Timing Configurator, take a screenshot, then do the same with the 3600 and post the screenshots

Ragsters · Sep 11, 2021

EastCoast said:
how are they worst

what are they worst in

what are the timings between ram in the bios

what is the frequency between ram in the bios

what voltage are used between ram in the bios

what cpu and motherboard are you using and are you OC the CPU

is ram at just xmp or are you trying to tweak and/or oc the ram

You should have the common courtesy to provide more information then..."I got new ram and it don't perform, help?"

Ram is set to XMP per Initial Post. All timings and frequencies verified in bios and CPUZ.

Ragsters · Sep 11, 2021

bscool said:
Have you run something like aida64 mem test to compare your overall mem performance and latency to see before and after? Or post an asrock timing config so you know your timings and sub timings are correct.

I never used this tool before.

Ragsters · Sep 11, 2021

EastCoast said:
I do wonder if he ever did this or just ran 3dmark. The gist is that he went from 3200 CL16 (18-18-x) to 3600 CL14 (15-15-X). In that case he would need to run a memory benchmark test as suggested. But I am curious as to his PC setup and what it reads in the bios.

I have updated post with specs. I always make sure I have XMP enabled and verified in CPUZ.

The Pook · Sep 11, 2021

Ragsters said:

The Pook said:
AsRock Timing Configurator

bscool · Sep 11, 2021

You can see what kind of performance you get between kits. Download AIDA64 Extreme (beta) 6.33.5754 (ZIP) | AIDA64

You should be able to double click the read box, then write, copy, latency to run them individually as the free version will block many out if you run them all at once.

You will get something that looks like this

Ragsters · Sep 11, 2021

bscool said:
You can see what kind of performance you get between kits. Download AIDA64 Extreme (beta) 6.33.5754 (ZIP) | AIDA64

You should be able to double click the read box, then write, copy, latency to run them individually as the free version will block many out if you run them all at once.

You will get something that looks like this

Thanks for this! Ill will check it out.

Lionvibez · Sep 11, 2021

Use Zentimings instead of CPU Z it will provide alot more details.

ZenTimings

ZenTimings is a simple and lightweight app for monitoring memory timings on Ryzen platform.

zentimings.protonrom.com

EastCoast · Sep 11, 2021

One thing I found odd is that he needs 1.45v to do 14-15-15 -xx. The timing is pretty loose for such high voltage requirements.

And do wonder if heat is a contributing factor to the performance of the ram.

Ragsters · Sep 11, 2021

Lionvibez said:
Use Zentimings instead of CPU Z it will provide alot more details.

ZenTimings

ZenTimings is a simple and lightweight app for monitoring memory timings on Ryzen platform.

zentimings.protonrom.com

Here you go!

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Asmodian · Sep 11, 2021

Things that stand out to me:

tRC is high.
tRRDS and tRRDL are very high, tFAW should = 4xtRRDS (after lowering tRRDS).

tRFC is also very high.

You shouldn't need 1.2V VSOC to run 1800 FCLK! 1.08V at most.

Is 14-14-14-14-34 stable?

That Teamgroup kit is B-die. This is what I am running my dual rank B-die at, you might not get this low on everything but you should be able to get close (I am also running 1.45V):

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Ragsters · Sep 11, 2021

Asmodian said:
Things that stand out to me:

tRC is high.
tRRDS and tRRDL are very high, tFAW should = 4xtRRDS (after lowering tRRDS).

tRFC is also very high.

You shouldn't need 1.2V VSOC to run 1800 FCLK! 1.08V at most.

Is 14-14-14-14-34 stable?

That Teamgroup kit is B-die. This is what I am running my dual rank B-die at, you might not get this low on everything but you should be able to get close (I am also running 1.45V):
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I really appreciate this post. Started getting crashes in Doom Eternal and kinda just got annoyed and removed the sticks out of my system. I put the Corsair ram back in and ran Time Spy with better results than the Team Group. I am going to return the new ram.

Asmodian · Sep 12, 2021

Ragsters said:
I put the Corsair ram back in and ran Time Spy with better results than the Team Group.

Could you please post the ZenTimings for your Corsair RAM?

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