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hello. I searched in the search discussion for information about the number of layers in the z790 apex pcb, and did not find it. there is no information on the web either. please tell me how many layers the z790 apex has
Msi z390i unify had more layers than Asus z390 Apex
Msi z490i unify had more layers than Asus z490 Apex
Msi z790i has more layers than Asus Z790 Apex.
Asus Apex overclocks memory better in all cases on air/water

Ps: I don't remember layer count, because it isn't what is counting the most for memory OC :p
 
when filling in shipping info, what are you putting for the restricted items bit, confused by that as its needed for form yet there not a restricted item???
No need to fill out a form. Just buy the sticks and when they arrive at the warehouse use the shipping agent. Give them a small tip and they take care of the shipping.
 
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Msi z390i unify had more layers than Asus z390 Apex
Msi z490i unify had more layers than Asus z490 Apex
Msi z790i has more layers than Asus Z790 Apex.
Asus Apex overclocks memory better in all cases on air/water

Ps: I don't remember layer count, because it isn't what is counting the most for memory OC :p
I'm asking more for comparison inside the asus strix lineup
 
Bios 0808 best for overclocking stability so far.
 
Have to agree, and the dimm.2 doesn't take up video card PCIE lanes either.. And anyone complaining about memory cooling blocked by dimm.2 hasn't used the ALSEYE RAM cooler modded with 2x Noctua fans (requires some work to get them in, but even the unmodded unit works well too).
I thought with z690/790 the dimm.2 is in the chipset instead of the cpu? I just got a Z70 Extreme and was wondering how well that setup preforms.
 
yes, of course it matters. apex is expensive. if it has the same number of layers with ROG STRIX Z790-I GAMING WIFI, the RAM potential in theory should be the same
Thats like saying a four cylinder car is as fast as a four cylinder car.
 
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Thats like saying a four cylinder car is as fast as a four cylinder car.
if we look at one manufacturer, then this is quite logical. if a successful topology has been developed and there is a technical opportunity to implement it on other boards, why not? if the number of layers in the board is the same, most likely the same topology is used, and the memory overclocking should be very similar. your example with 4-cylinder engines also reflects this, if we consider cars from the same manufacturer. it is likely that they have the same engines.
 
if we look at one manufacturer, then this is quite logical. if a successful topology has been developed and there is a technical opportunity to implement it on other boards, why not? if the number of layers in the board is the same, most likely the same topology is used, and the memory overclocking should be very similar. your example with 4-cylinder engines also reflects this, if we consider cars from the same manufacturer. it is likely that they have the same engines.
Here’s an example why what you are asking/stating is outlandish. A250 vs A45 AMG? Totally diffrent price points, totally different performance but both 4cyls.

Why not? Because theyhave diffrent product lines for diffrent purposes and segments. They wouldn’t water down their premium performance segment for something that is in a cheaper category that’s just silly business.

Theres a lot more that goes on with the maximus lineup vs the strix and the Apex at the moment is one of the best ddr5 oc boards on the market.
 
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Hello everyone, I'm new here and I'm not sure this is the correct place to ask but feel free to remove the post if so.

I recently bought an ASUS Strix z790-F Motherboard. I assambled everything yesterday and for a couple hours it worked like a charm. But after that my computer froze. I didn't think much of it but since then my computer constantly crashes and freezes almost immediately after boot.

As to what i've tested i did pretty much everything. Reseated everything, tested different memory slot combinations, tested with ssd and HDD, tested different BIOS versions, tested all XMP profiles and no xmp at all. Windows 11, Windows 10. Pretty much everything you can think of. My only lead is is that i sometimes get a "clock watchdog timeout" crash error and prime95 crashes my PC instantly.

Here's my complete build:
CPU: Intel Core i7-13700K 3.4 GHz 16-Core Processor
CPU Cooler: Corsair iCUE H150i ELITE CAPELLIX 75 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler
Motherboard: Asus ROG STRIX Z790-F GAMING WIFI ATX LGA1700 Motherboard
Memory: G.Skill Trident Z5 RGB 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR5-6000 CL36 Memory
Storage: Samsung 980 Pro 1 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive
Video Card: Gigabyte GAMING OC GeForce RTX 4090 24 GB Video Card
Case: Lian Li LANCOOL III ATX Mid Tower Case
Power Supply: EVGA SuperNOVA 1000 G5 1000 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply

Thanks a lot for your time.

Edit: memtest all passed. SMART all passed too.
 
Here’s an example why what you are asking/stating is outlandish. A250 vs A45 AMG? Totally diffrent price points, totally different performance but both 4cyls.

Why not? Because theyhave diffrent product lines for diffrent purposes and segments. They wouldn’t water down their premium performance segment for something that is in a cheaper category that’s just silly business.

Theres a lot more that goes on with the maximus lineup vs the strix and the Apex at the moment is one of the best ddr5 oc boards on the market.
yes, you're absolutely right about car engines. I understand your point of view. thanks. I understand that the apex product is clearly the best there is at the moment. I was interested in the correlation between the number of layers and the acceleration potential within the model range of one manufacturer . yes, most likely, as many believe, there is no such correlation. thanks for the answer
 
yes, you're absolutely right about car engines. I understand your point of view. thanks. I understand that the apex product is clearly the best there is at the moment. I was interested in the correlation between the number of layers and the acceleration potential within the model range of one manufacturer . yes, most likely, as many believe, there is no such correlation. thanks for the answer
Not only the number of the layers matters, but the quality of the layers, the thickness of the layers. The shielding of the layers. This is like the Megapixel war between the phones.
 
Hello everyone, I'm new here and I'm not sure this is the correct place to ask but feel free to remove the post if so.

I recently bought an ASUS Strix z790-F Motherboard. I assambled everything yesterday and for a couple hours it worked like a charm. But after that my computer froze. I didn't think much of it but since then my computer constantly crashes and freezes almost immediately after boot.

As to what i've tested i did pretty much everything. Reseated everything, tested different memory slot combinations, tested with ssd and HDD, tested different BIOS versions, tested all XMP profiles and no xmp at all. Windows 11, Windows 10. Pretty much everything you can think of. My only lead is is that i sometimes get a "clock watchdog timeout" crash error and prime95 crashes my PC instantly.

Here's my complete build:
CPU: Intel Core i7-13700K 3.4 GHz 16-Core Processor
CPU Cooler: Corsair iCUE H150i ELITE CAPELLIX 75 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler
Motherboard: Asus ROG STRIX Z790-F GAMING WIFI ATX LGA1700 Motherboard
Memory: G.Skill Trident Z5 RGB 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR5-6000 CL36 Memory
Storage: Samsung 980 Pro 1 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive
Video Card: Gigabyte GAMING OC GeForce RTX 4090 24 GB Video Card
Case: Lian Li LANCOOL III ATX Mid Tower Case
Power Supply: EVGA SuperNOVA 1000 G5 1000 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply

Thanks a lot for your time.

Edit: memtest all passed. SMART all passed too.
In Times of Comet / Rocket Lake the "clock watchdog timeout" BSOD was an indicator for a bit low VCore. Here is a table of possible Errors i got somewhere at the internet long ago .
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hello. I searched in the search discussion for information about the number of layers in the z790 apex pcb, and did not find it. there is no information on the web either. please tell me how many layers the z790 apex has
690 Apex have 8. Its either 8 or 10. Otherwise if it had like 14 layer low loss pcb like 790 KPE, Im sure they would advertise it.
 
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