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Anything below 1080mv is not stable in all workloads regardless of cards IMO. This could be different on watercooled setups, but max stress test I could manage on the card was streaming / encoding using the hardware encoder whilst testing extreme raster load.

Others can easily attest to this. Below 1080mv is asking for pain.

This might sound like these cards don't undervolt well, but its really just that they're power limited and there is a lot to be gained from memory.
waves from the land of 980mv or less in every game and benchmark
 
Humans have 21 grams of water? I think you confused it with the movie 21 grams where they say the human soul weighs that much. :D
Yuk you got the movie reference in the joke

so are we really dealing with water in the vapor chambers?
 
waves from the land of 980mv or less in every game and benchmark
XTX or XT? I'm talking about xtx. I realize they may not be the same in post. But even ltmatt was crashing in GoW in under 1080mv, iirc.
You could also have it occur where it is stable and clock stretching or capped max clock so it doesn't reach the unstable part of the curve
 
Anything below 1080mv is not stable in all workloads regardless of cards IMO. This could be different on watercooled setups, but max stress test I could manage on the card was streaming / encoding using the hardware encoder whilst testing extreme raster load.

Others can easily attest to this. Below 1080mv is asking for pain.

This might sound like these cards don't undervolt well, but its really just that they're power limited and there is a lot to be gained from memory.
Ran warzone yesterday at 3050 core, 1075mv, 2750mem,15+pl. No issues so far. With hwinfo in the background voltage went no higher 1041. 1075 will not be stable for other games but thats a benefit you get from amd. You can overclock per game which is nice
 
Besides benchmark settings, what type of overclock settings are you guys finding to be 100% game stable?
MBA XTX faulty cooler, vertical, open air.

Yesterday was looking at what mV I need for what. I could run SP1080E on lower mV then SP4K. SP1080E was only needing 1050mV on 2648/2848 with 2748 VRAM, +15% PL, 4K needed 1080mV, 1075mV crash, didn’t test in between range. The SP1080E with 1050mV scored better than with 1080mV.

Then the 1080mV would pass 3DM FS, but not TS. TS needed at least 1087mV.

If I wanna keep "guard band" to game gotta go 1095mV. Perhaps need higher, as I can't say I have used card with all things I may.

Got a Nitro this morning, gonna see how that is this evening.
 
Anything below 1080mv is not stable in all workloads regardless of cards IMO. This could be different on watercooled setups, but max stress test I could manage on the card was streaming / encoding using the hardware encoder whilst testing extreme raster load.

Others can easily attest to this. Below 1080mv is asking for pain.

This might sound like these cards don't undervolt well, but its really just that they're power limited and there is a lot to be gained from memory.
Exactly my findings. 3020 MHz core, 1125mV, 2776 MHz memory is what I converged to after hours of testing and gaming. I have a MERC 310 7900XTX. 32.7k in TS. I can get better scores that "appear" stable but will eventually cause a driver timeout/crash... Mainly during transient load situations. I am happy with the performance.
 
This is true but is the % difference worth it? In my eyes no.
Agreed, "One Stable mv to rule them all" ! Sooner or later it's gonna crash, and I bet it's not when you wan't it to. I use Scum all epic settings (nV game UE4) to find stable mv @DX12, it will find any unstable card eventually (BTW: this game won't run DX11 at all on XTX, first driver bug in a game I have seen so far, as 6900 XT did it fine, need to force it to DX12 via steam library). Also I have found on my Red Devil Ltd. XTX, that set 2730mhz get 2710'ish at 1090 gives me desent power usage even at +15%, anything above like 2830mhz and wattage runs away completely. @2730mhz set 1090mv I'm around 370-390w max, that gives me a silent card and still close enough to the "wild" benches here. Did I win silicon lottery this time? As usual, no....

Asic 51.9
 
There was a loud bang, the pc instantly shut down and the air was filled with the lovely smell of magic smoke.
I guess a powerstage poped, melted itself to the pcb and shorted 12v in the proccess.
Not 100% sure as I didn't want to remove the cooler from the card due to RMA.

edit: thankfully only the graphics card died and the rest of the system is still fine
OMG! Glad to read rest of rig ok.

Asic is 54.3%. I've not had chance to run 3DMark benches but will do when time allows.


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R7 5800X3D (CO Tuned: -5 -9 -0 -4 -10 -21 -7 -14 142W 95A 140A 1x)
ASUS ROG Crosshair VIII Dark Hero
Crucial Ballistix Sport LT 3200MHz C16 2x16GB @ 3800MHz 1.35V 1:1:1 SOC 1.0V VDDG & VDDP 0.901

Sapphire Nitro+ RX 7900 XTX Vapor-X

2x WD SN770 Black 2TB NVMe
2x Samsung 870 EVO 4TB SATA SSD

9x Arctic Cooling F12 PWM fans
2x Be Quiet Silent Wings 3 140mm 1k (Set to full speed)
1x EK D5 Pump (50% PWM)

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Done only 3x SP1080E / SP4K at stock.

Wall meter reads for total rig (inc 30W screen), idle 107W, zer'd during load min 454W max 483W, during 450W to 470W.

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Will you return the MBA and stick with the Nitro?

At present no.

I'm quite pleased with MBA XTX, excluding air cooler fault. Really wanna try on water. So until I block it then test it, I reckon I may not move it on.
 
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54%? ASIC quality on my xfx is 38%..., that's a big gap.
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For those looking for EK waterblocks. I ordered/pre-ordered mine when they first went up on the site. Got an email the other day they won't be available by the 23rd. I ordered for my 7900xtx and 7900x like 2 months ago. Here is the email I received.
Has anyone received one of the EK-Quantum Vector² RX 7900 XTX waterblocks yet?
I am still waiting for mine or a second email from EKwith an updated status.
 
LOL Well honestly, that’s why I am recording this data. I also repasted this card so the accuracy per gram is objectively thrown out the window BUT if I see a large difference… that would be interesting.
There is more total mass in TIM on the card than there is water in a vapor chamber, probably by a fair bit (those pads and putty add up). So unless you were careful to reuse only what came with the card, weighed it beforehand, or are going to repaste it in exactly the same way, it will be hard to put the difference down to the vapor chamber contents.

so are we really dealing with water in the vapor chambers?
Best working fluid for electronics cooling in most applications. Very high heat of vaporization and a boiling point that can be easily tuned to the intended operating temperature range of an ASIC.
 
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So for me I can game on 1080-1090mV but as soon as I undervolt in Elden Ring it crashes, even at 1125mV (60% gpu usage).
Also for someone with 2 high refresh+high res displays, can you test if turning windows power plan to Power saver reduces you MEM clock? 1440p 144hz ultrawide + 4k120hz I have constant max mem clock but as soon as I touch power plan it starts to behave and downclocks properly to around 150mHz 38watts TBP, don't know if it's just my system or if it works for everyone.
 
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