I figured since people are getting these cards there needs to be a place that discusses the cards itself. Without having to shift through posts regarding everything else. Above you will see all the AIB models and what they boost to. So that should be one question out the way.
Yeah it was a great card, only issue is I did not want to waterblocks. Which retailer are you buying and sending the back? Scan got pissed at me for sending back 4 cards in between 4080's and 7900 XTX's 🤣🤣
Now what I have to send back is a Odyssey G8 Oled, crap Samsung.
I originally ordered Sapphire RX 7900 XTX MBA at OCUK on launch day. I had read the reviews day before and knew I wanted a XTX.
I've been on 1440P for ~5yrs, now wanna go either 1440P wide or 4K. So it was only XTX I wanted.
I wasn't considering nVidia. Few reasons, firstly don't like their driver panel, when I had 1080 GTX just prior to RX Vega 64, the nVidia panel was like back when I had a 8800 GTX. Secondly I'm not really fussed about RT, if card cope and do within FreeSync range of monitor I cool with it. So as prefer AMD driver panel, wanted FreeSync as had MG279Q at the time, wasn't fussed about RT perf, it was XTX I could only consider from a RX 6800 XT Pulse under Bykski block.
The MBA XTX I ordered launch day, I was locked and loaded on OCUK, just prior to UK launch time. I paid and within minutes of launch, they were sold out. They were vapor ware at other UK etailers.
Mine came next day. It didn't behave from get go. I started looking at wrong thing. I thought V/F curve wrong via SMU/driver SMU FW. As when UV card perform. Yeah it got hot, didn't throttle, but I thought perhaps bad sample of card. I went on XMAS break with family. Then vapor chamber fault was revealed on web. I went open case, vertical and could finally use it, but still could OTP at stock.
I was happy to keep it, at the time believed would be able to do SPPT/VBIOS mod. So I didn't RMA. Few weeks later it was clear SPPT/VBIOS mod not possible. Still I was happy thinking I'll cross flash to higher PL VBIOS, regardless of cooler fault, as I'll water block. Then as blocks availability still bad I asked OCUK for swapout, no stock so they full refund.
I then went with Nitro+, thinking this will do me till get waterblock. But peformance was not wildly bigger then MBA IMO. Especially looking at £1300 price tag. So I returned at my cost under 14 day UK distance selling rules that I had changed my mind.
Then Scan had Red Devil at £1175. Even though this had lower PL then Nitro+ the tag was lower. Vs MBA the extra £125 was getting me higher PL, better cooler, dual VBIOS, etc. Used the card, was impressed. Was gonna keep, then saw a Merc for sale at £1052. I returned under UK 14 day DSR at my cost.
The Merc at this price point was ideal. Highest tier PL, great cooler, I could fit in case even if big, I wasn't paying for anything I didn't need. I was happy with it and have been waiting for a waterblock.
Few weeks after owning Merc, Nitro+ came up on OCUK B grade stock for £1000. I googled, which I had been doing daily since getting a XTX; for waterblock. The Alphacool was out of stock, but Aliexpress had the Nitro+ by Bykski. I couldn't resist. Ordered Nitro+ B grade at OCUK and block on Aliexpress, then went and posted about Bykski block on r/AMD.
Currently keeping both the Merc XTX and Nitro+ XTX. I think Bykski block be here soon. Tired of air coolers, been so long on water cooled. So I think will block Nitro+ and sell Merc, I just can't wait for a block for it.
OCUK were great, flawless.
Scan were bad with me also. Considering I have been using Scan since 2004 and never returned anything I was dumb founded when they said I can't RMA under UK 14 day DSR. I asked why? they said it was a business purchase. I said no, I paid with personal card. I had it delivered to my work. Finally they gave in when I said you have my payment details, clearly personal.
I was just comparing my Timespy scores to others on the 3dmark website and according to the average frequency's me and others are the same but they are significantly higher graphic score than me. I know different drivers but was there a bug in some drivers or false scoring as we are at the supposedly same settings they are way higher scoring.
I was just comparing my Timespy scores to others on the 3dmark website and according to the average frequency's me and others are the same but they are significantly higher graphic score than me. I know different drivers but was there a bug in some drivers or false scoring as we are at the supposedly same settings they are way higher scoring.
Perhaps your profile is set as such that GPU is "clock stretching". Clocks are reported as x, but not effective performance gain. 3DM monitoring is also slow polling interval. I see higher average frequency in HWINFO log graphed then graph in 3DM. I poll at 300ms in HWINFO.
I was just comparing my Timespy scores to others on the 3dmark website and according to the average frequency's me and others are the same but they are significantly higher graphic score than me. I know different drivers but was there a bug in some drivers or false scoring as we are at the supposedly same settings they are way higher scoring.
Did you undervolt, did you have anything running in the background, lower you hz to 60, turn off amd record settings these all play a role in 3dm scores
That's not something to be proud of buying cards opening them and sending them back. They cannot sell that card as new after you opened them. So they are losing out.
That was not the case. One 7900XTX had vapor chamber issue. The Red Devil would boot just in the second try with gpu led lighten up in the mobo, and the 4080.. Sorry, I could not bare that image sharpening.. At least, I bought the final last gpu with them too..
Hi All recently installed a 7900xtx Reference card I picked up from the AMD website back in December. Just never got around to installing it. I believe it is throttling a bit. Here are my temps after about 20 min of playing deadspace 1440p with max settings. I have to keep my case fans blasting at 2000+RPM for it to not hit 110+. But even at 92+ it seems to lower voltage and frequency a decent amount. Is this a defective card? I Opened up a claim already but just wasn't sure if it is defective or not.
What's the best card so far? I see the xtx merc for 1050$ usd, but I am not a big fan of xfx. I do like Sapphire though but it's like 100$ more or so.
I really would rather watercolor in the long run. Just not sure, but I am selling off my 6900xt and other gear. So I have a little time to decide. I see lots of good info in here.
Hi All recently installed a 7900xtx Reference card I picked up from the AMD website back in December. Just never got around to installing it. I believe it is throttling a bit. Here are my temps after about 20 min of playing deadspace 1440p with max settings. I have to keep my case fans blasting at 2000+RPM for it to not hit 110+. But even at 92+ it seems to lower voltage and frequency a decent amount. Is this a defective card? I Opened up a claim already but just wasn't sure if it is defective or not.
You’re fortunate enough that it isn’t hitting the Tj temps l, what’s the rest of your case airflow like? Have you set a more aggressive fan curve? Prevent it earlier, it’s much easier for the fans to cool a card down at 50c than 70c, once it gets that far it’s already an uphill battle
Hi All recently installed a 7900xtx Reference card I picked up from the AMD website back in December. Just never got around to installing it. I believe it is throttling a bit. Here are my temps after about 20 min of playing deadspace 1440p with max settings. I have to keep my case fans blasting at 2000+RPM for it to not hit 110+. But even at 92+ it seems to lower voltage and frequency a decent amount. Is this a defective card? I Opened up a claim already but just wasn't sure if it is defective or not.
Turn Zero RPM off, your fans aren’t spinning at all until about 60c, change fans speed/c to something like 25% - 30c, 35% - 45c, 50% - 60c, 75% - 70, 100% - 85c
I just found out that that ..what is it alpha cool block for the reference can be easily modified for the merc XT because we only have two 8pin instead of three like the xtx... I'm guns get this thing on ..I hit 33k on timespy the other day.. no release yet.. cuz ...I'm halfway to 34k...hahaha so I'm really trying but I'm almost out of tricks...... And I hit 87k firestrike.. imma do the high res stuff again...quick and then publish it all... And I know it's synthetic ...but man this card rips... People think I'm straight cheating...shoot it's a compliment imo....that's when you know you've really got something..when they scream folley and I'm just like ...y'all catching a break... imagine if we had more power... less heat... So yeah I think I'm going to put it on water... Don't know what to expect...but it will be quieter either way... Also @gupsterg so you saw that too eh? Figure you'd be in there...want to know what's funny? If the auto overclock doesn't crash on me which it does 99% of the time..... If it doesn't crash pretty sure what it wants me to set my clock at was not as high as I've seen cards while I'm beating by like 6k in timespy... So idk.. there is still some stuff that's not known....I would love soc control... That jump is rough for me.
Yeah it was a great card, only issue is I did not want to wait for waterblocks. Which retailer are you buying and sending the back? Scan got pissed at me for sending back 4 cards in between 4080's and 7900 XTX's 🤣🤣
Now what I have to send back is a Odyssey G8 Oled, crap Samsung.
Best to spread orders out over a few different retailers if you think you might return things I find. There's a few good retailers in the UK, Ebuyer, OcuK, Scan etc.
Got an X3D arriving today. Hoping to surpass the 446 I achieved on the 7950X and 7900 XTX MBA card in MW2 benchmark using 1080P lowest settings.
Best to spread orders out over a few different retailers if you think you might return things I find. There's a few good retailers in the UK, Ebuyer, OcuK, Scan etc.
Got an X3D arriving today. Hoping to surpass the 446 I achieved on the 7950X and 7900 XTX MBA card in MW2 benchmark using 1080P lowest settings.
Ebuyer and Scan, if you have delivered to workplace, be warned, they may class as business purchase and terms are only 3 days return. Had to place pressure on Scan to gain return. I wouldn't have known, only found out due to recent experience with Scan.
Amazon, OCUK and a few others don't have differing terms for business, so possible to deliver to workplace.
Turn Zero RPM off, your fans aren’t spinning at all until about 60c, change fans speed/c to something like 25% - 30c, 35% - 45c, 50% - 60c, 75% - 70, 100% - 85c
I have a fractal torrent compact case with 2 180mm fans, 2 140 mm fans and 1 120mm fans. I have the fan curve set to be pretty aggressive. Around 2000RPM once it gets about 70C. Just doesn't seem normal to me that it would get that hot that quickly. And why such a huge delta T between Core temp and hot spot temp?
Hi All recently installed a 7900xtx Reference card I picked up from the AMD website back in December. Just never got around to installing it. I believe it is throttling a bit. Here are my temps after about 20 min of playing deadspace 1440p with max settings. I have to keep my case fans blasting at 2000+RPM for it to not hit 110+. But even at 92+ it seems to lower voltage and frequency a decent amount. Is this a defective card? I Opened up a claim already but just wasn't sure if it is defective or not.
Likely to be vapor chamber fault. I had MBA XTX and it had cooler fault. Slaughtahouse shared his serial, his was 6000 higher than mine and still had fault.
I can't recall delta between GPU Temp/Hotspot which shows fault, search Ltmatt past posts.
I think AMD just waiting on RMAs to know if cooler have vapor chamber fault. Don't think or seen info on affected serials.
On a lighter note. A few benches on Low Asic % and bad auto-overclock frequencied XT playing above 4k in f1 2022.. everything ultra or higher.... including RT
Native:
FSR 1.0 on some sort of low setting...I did high quality too.. was lke idk 7% above native... that was it.
But yeah, this is a good showing for this card....I think I may spring for the ref warer block, gup is there still chances to 'shunt' boards like this...? Have you seen anyone do it yet? I did an nvidia card way way back in the day...like over 10 yr ago...SO i'd def want to see it done in detail...I have a bios reader on the way... incase I get lucky and a liquid xt pops up or something.
Likely to be vapor chamber fault. I had MBA XTX and it had cooler fault. Slaughtahouse shared his serial, his was 6000 higher than mine and still had fault.
I can't recall delta between GPU Temp/Hotspot which shows fault, search Ltmatt past posts.
I think AMD just waiting on RMAs to know if cooler have vapor chamber fault. Don't think or seen info on affected serials.
Thanks for the insight. I will try ramping up fans before it gets "hot" but from my initial testing the fan speeds doesn't seem to matter a whole lot to be honest. My SN is 6722xxxxxxxx I purchased on Dec21 2022 but just got around to installing it. I put in a claim with AMD.
Sorry I didn’t see that you had a reference model, yeah that’s running rather close to Tj Max, in that case it’s probably Vapor chamber as gupster said!
also, anyone playing MW2, on the benchmark tool I have absolutely zero difference in FPS between CAS, FSR or NIS, any idea as to why?
Guys how widespread are the reference card issues? Long story short, I have some voucher credit with this local retailer and I returned a 4090 I bought because of some weird warranty specification that I had an argument over. Some of the total will be charged back to my card but a portion will be stuck.
Basically, the AMD card at the price I’ll get it at is one of two viable options (the other being a 4090 Suprim Liquid) I could’ve went with, and I flipped a coin. The AMD card won 2-0. There are 9X ASRock MBA models in stock and I’m not sure if all of them will be borked.
I’m hoping someone here knows more than I do as I haven’t really been keeping up with 7000-series in all honesty.
Thanks for the insight. I will try ramping up fans before it gets "hot" but from my initial testing the fan speeds doesn't seem to matter a whole lot to be honest. My SN is 6722xxxxxxxx I purchased on Dec21 2022 but just got around to installing it. I put in a claim with AMD.
Extremely likely it has vapour chamber fault. Just based on when you bought and what inventory it would have come from. It's launch card.
In serial the 67 has unknown meaning to me.
The 22 is production year.
The next two digits are production week, mine was 47.
Next 6 digits are serial of card, mine was 3273.
On a lighter note. A few benches on Low Asic % and bad auto-overclock frequencied XT playing above 4k in f1 2022.. everything ultra or higher.... including RT
But yeah, this is a good showing for this card....I think I may spring for the ref warer block, gup is there still chances to 'shunt' boards like this...? Have you seen anyone do it yet? I did an nvidia card way way back in the day...like over 10 yr ago...SO i'd def want to see it done in detail...I have a bios reader on the way... incase I get lucky and a liquid xt pops up or something.
A HW mod to card, again I have no idea. There are 2 I know I could ask, but I do not know if I would gain info share.
Navi31 is locked hard.
Even old tricks, I used to use, to get ATiFlash/updated VBIOS are not working.
No AIB is releasing VBIOS/Flash tool from what I have seen. In the past for Hawaii/Fiji/Vega I have always snagged updated VBIOS and say flashtools from AIBs.
In spare time I have been investigating if I can talk to SMU of GPU.
Why?
SPPT aka "registry Powerplay mod" has been around for donkeys, what MPT used. Original SW to expose it AFAIK I know was Afterburner, Unwinder is here on OCN, the author. I had been wondering, as well as a few others I know, who take interest in these things, when AMD would lock out SPPT.
Talking to SMU is future. How to get there I don't know 😌.
Now the two examples.
First, link, this is The Stilt, he shows XTX VRAM at 1.35V stock and then 1.25V on UV. Below spoiler has combined marked screenie from linked post. I believe he has done through SMU settings.
Second, way back for Navi21, The Stilt was using SMU settings, link, translated quote below.
AMD's bios have been protected with RSA for a long time, that is, they cannot be hacked without either the drivers not being loaded or the card no longer being recognized, depending on which block the change is made to.
Without reading the 6900 XT bios, I did not make any changes to the bios. I made the changes purely by reading the parameter table from the GPU management processor (SMU) and writing the changed settings back there as well.
The method is somewhat the same as that used by, for example, MPT, although with the difference that MPT cannot make changes on the fly, because it only modifies the so-called a cold copy of the table and therefore cannot write it back yourself.
The changes I made myself can also be saved as a registry key and thus automatically enabled with every boot. That also makes sense because all current driver versions have a bug that resets Overdrive's tables/settings, whenever the parameter table is loaded back for the SMU processor. Radeon Settings doesn't show any change in that area, but the settings are returned to constants regarding clock, voltage and fan settings. If, on the other hand, the table is loaded from the registry key (AMD's own debug method) when the machine starts, then the Overdrive settings will not be restored because the changes are made before they are set.
Let's see if at some point I can find the time to write such a patcher, which changes those parameters missing from MPT to the ones the user wants.
I don't promise anything, but I will succeed sooner or later.
As you can see in translated quoted post, SMU setting method is "On the fly", basically what we do with Wattman/MCT, but:-
i) Wattman lacks the goodies we want.
ii) MCT uses AMD ADL OD8 and can't access more settings then exposed by it.
So back to...
Talking to SMU is future. How to get there I don't know 😌...
Extremely likely it has vapour chamber fault. Just based on when you bought and what inventory it would have come from. It's launch card.
In serial the 67 has unknown meaning to me.
The 22 is production year.
The next two digits are production week, mine was 47.
Next 6 digits are serial of card, mine was 3273.
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