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We need kits like 7000/7200/8000 with low latency.
Then, people with very good IMC like me will benefit of these new bios.

6000MHz kits require very high latency to work at 7000/7200 with these bios, and then no benefit.
the biggest problem is that I need a whale 64 or more for work, so I think I won’t play the lottery anymore, but it turned out to squeeze stable 6400 out of my whales, I’m more than satisfied
 
Latency and cache are the main players in gaming.
Ram latency and cache are separate discussions. Because cache has its own latency and throughput values.

RAM latency and throughput are both players in gaming. However, as has been proven many times, throughput is more important overall than latency. If latency were king, then DDR4 and DDR5 would be dumpster tier compared to DDR3. But, it was proved early on that DDR4 out performed DDR3 despite higher latency because the throughput was just that much more. And the same thing happened with DDR5 and DDR4.

You will see a respectable bump in gaming performance if we are able to get DDR5 7600-8000 stable on Ryzen 7000. There is 0 doubt about that.

Also, in modern gaming, game assets are larger now then they were in the past (thats why we require more RAM, VRAM, and disk storage). In scenarios where youre moving many small assets, latency is king. In a scenario where youre moving fewer larger assets, throughput is king. Although, both are important overall.

Anyway, hitting 7600 + in 1:2 will give us the same latency we got at 6400, but will probably a 15% increase in throughput. Its a win win.
 
We need kits like 7000/7200/8000 with low latency.
Then, people with very good IMC like me will benefit of these new bios.

6000MHz kits require very high latency to work at 7000/7200 with these bios, and then no benefit.
They already exist. Anyone with A die is already set up for success. Even m-die is often capable of 7600 mhz at respectable timings at the same exact voltages we are currently consuming now on our present OC's.

Assuming this 1.0.0.7b is stable and then made widely available, you will be back here in a month or two being satisfied with your new memory tunes.
 
Update, making some progress. :cool:

Turns out I needed to enable DDR5 Nitro/Robust training mode, suddenly 7000Mhz boots with ease. Warning, it is not enabled by default at least on my setup so you have to find it and enable it. Asus should enable it by default IMO. You'll find the option under this menu in Asus board.
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Prior to enabling Nitro mode, higher than 6600 would not boot at all. Higher than 6200Mhz was an instant error on Karhu at any voltage/timings.
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Now it appears I've got past that, I can start dialling things in. Screenshot above is all auto. Was not expecting it to boot, never mind not fail Karhu instantly like it always has done previously. This has potential...
Where under DDR options is this exactly? I appear to be missing this option on my X670E Extreme.
 
ROG CROSSHAIR/STRIX/PROART X670E Series Beta Bios 1514

1) Update to AMD ComboAM5_1007b
2) Improve system performance

*Don't use .CMO files from old bios Need new setting

ROG CROSSHAIR X670E HERO BETA BIOS 1514

ROG CROSSHAIR X670E GENE BETA BIOS 1514

ROG CROSSHAIR X670E EXTREME BETA BIOS 1514


ROG STRIX X670E-A GAMING WIFI BETA BIOS 1514

ROG STRIX X670E-E GAMING WIFI BETA BIOS 1514

ROG STRIX X670E-F GAMING WIFI BETA BIOS 1514

ROG STRIX X670E-I GAMING WIFI BETA BIOS 1632


PROART X670E CREATOR WIFI BETA BIOS 1514
Latency and cache are the main players in gaming.
You have a game test for us?
Maybe BF 2042, gear 1 vs gear 2 🤩😘

I'm waiting for b650e-f bios
 
Guys help me out, I have the g skill 6000c30 expo kit, which option is better for expo - EXPO II or expo tweaked? Expo ii seems to have more values set and expo tweaked seems to have more autos… which one is the best assuming I’m not going to be doing further timing tweaks?
In order of lowest performance to highest:
  1. Expo II: This is the ram's stock default expo settings. (-> Lowest performance)
  2. Expo I: Default Expo main timings + timing optimizations detected by asus on power on (-> tighter timings, better performance than Expo II).
  3. Expo Tweaked: only available for ram that was tested by asus in the labs. Asus has tested this ram and knows the best timings that work with THIS exact ram on this motherboard (-> best performance).
So, if you have Expo tweaked you are lucky. It's the best.

This is explained in detail in this interview with Juan Guerrero, senior marketing manager (former product manager), with Asus North America.

Fast forward to 1:09:10 (Chapter: Different XMP options explained + next chaper: XMP tweaked, what is that?)

(They talk about Xmp&Expo, it's the same).

 
They already exist. Anyone with A die is already set up for success. Even m-die is often capable of 7600 mhz at respectable timings at the same exact voltages we are currently consuming now on our present OC's.

Assuming this 1.0.0.7b is stable and then made widely available, you will be back here in a month or two being satisfied with your new memory tunes.
Not sure I get this kind of kits soon.
I am currently satisfied With 6400/2133 CL28 stable.
 
Guys help me out, I have the g skill 6000c30 expo kit, which option is better for expo - EXPO II or expo tweaked? Expo ii seems to have more values set and expo tweaked seems to have more autos… which one is the best assuming I’m not going to be doing further timing tweaks?
I use expo 2 with my 2x16GB 6000 CL30 kit.
And then I tweak all timings in Dram options.
 
In order of lowest performance to highest:
  1. Expo II: This is the ram's stock default expo settings. (-> Lowest performance)
  2. Expo I: Default Expo main timings + timing optimizations detected by asus on power on (-> tighter timings, better performance than Expo II).
  3. Expo Tweaked: only available for ram that was tested by asus in the labs. Asus has tested this ram and knows the best timings that work with THIS exact ram on this motherboard (-> best performance).
So, if you have Expo tweaked you are lucky. It's the best.

This is explained in detail in this interview with Juan Guerrero, senior marketing manager (former product manager), with Asus North America.

Fast forward to 1:09:10 (Chapter: Different XMP options explained + next chaper: XMP tweaked, what is that?)

(They talk about Xmp&Expo, it's the same).

strange thing is , I have also EXPO tweaked, and latency is indeed better as EXPOII, but all is on auto....
 
Hi,
did anyone tested 128GB with e.g. 6000 MHz with this new bios?
unfortunately, large volumes will not chase, and they do not need such speeds
 
Still can't 6400 1:1, anyway 7800 XMP boot with Nitro Enable + 1:2...
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Not sure I get this kind of kits soon.
I am currently satisfied With 6400/2133 CL28 stable.
You have an mdie kit. Like you, im also satisfied with my tune @ 6200/2100 cl30. It nets me top 10 3dmark scores for the 7900x in time spy physics.

However, i would absolutely explore the possibilities unlocked by being able to use 1:2 mode to push my ram to higher freq.

For you to hit 6400 cl28 on mdie, you probably are pushing over 1.5v on your ram.

At those voltages, intel users have been able to push mdie (like the kit you have) to 7600 cl32 with 45ns of latency. You shouldnt need to purchase a new RAM kit to get even better perf, you just need a stable solution for 1:2 ram tuning.
 
Still can't 6400 1:1, anyway 7800 XMP boot with Nitro Enable + 1:2...
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yeah, it wouldnt change 1:1 stability. 1:1 is mostly going to be an IMC limit since youre pushing the IMC to its max freq.

But, with 1:2, your IMC is relaxed, and you will start hitting the limits of your motherboard and ram sticks.

Good news is that these 8 layer AM5 motherboards are rock solid. Id expect DDR5 8000 on two single rank dimms to be a relatively normal feat.
 
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