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Holy cows! Big security fixes in Agesa 1.2.03! I wasnt planning to update on Ryzen 7000 but no go now!

"1.Updated AGESA to ComboAM5 PI 1.2.0.3 Please also update the chipset driver to ver 7.01.08.129 or newer to enhance gaming performance for select games.
2.Improved system performance and fixed PeCoffLoader memory overflow issue for security.
3.Addressed AMD Microcode Signature Verification Vulnerability.
 
Hey all, I am thinking of picking up an AM5 board with the new 9950X3D, but I have not done anything Ryzen since the 3950X and all of my DDR5 setups have been on Intel's.

What is the best board currently for possible memory speeds? I assume the 24GB / 48GB Hynix are still the best memory IC options?
 
Hey all, I am thinking of picking up an AM5 board with the new 9950X3D, but I have not done anything Ryzen since the 3950X and all of my DDR5 setups have been on Intel's.

What is the best board currently for possible memory speeds? I assume the 24GB / 48GB Hynix are still the best memory IC options?
Gene, Tachyon, Apex
m-die 24 for high numbers (mhz)
a-die 16 for low numbers (ns)
 
Hey all, I am thinking of picking up an AM5 board with the new 9950X3D, but I have not done anything Ryzen since the 3950X and all of my DDR5 setups have been on Intel's.

What is the best board currently for possible memory speeds? I assume the 24GB / 48GB Hynix are still the best memory IC options?
Gene, Tachyon, Apex
m-die 24 for high numbers (mhz)
a-die 16 for low numbers (ns)
I agree with the motherboard recommendations. 4-DIMM sucks for Intel and AMD unless you go HEDT with Quad/Hexa/Octa-channel memory. Unfortunately, 2-DIMM options are extremely limited because people keep buying 4-DIMM crap. The Apex will probably be the best of the best, but likely will never have sufficient stock and will likely be sold for a scalper's ransom. Tachyon stock has never come close to keeping up with demand. Not sure why they don't make as many as they can sell of both motherboards. They shouldn't be so rare or so difficult to find in stock. It shouldn't be a special exception or considered a privilege to buy parts that do not suck.
 
You still need to go into the AMD overclock menu, right? I don’t think it’s available in the extreme tweaker yet.
I haven't looked on the AMD OC menu, but you're correct about it not being available in the appropriate memory timings menu that we typically go to. I hope it's there because it's a shame to not have it. Thank you for mentioning it. I will check on my Gene to see as well.

It really sucks that the BIOS search function doesn't seem to work for finding things on the AMD Overclocking menus. The Carbon that I just returned for a refund was that way.
 
You still need to go into the AMD overclock menu, right? I don’t think it’s available in the extreme tweaker yet.
yes, and you also need to set in hex!
I do not find it anywhere in the Gene BIOS. Not in Extreme Tweaker or AMD Overclocking memory timing menus. Seems ASUS has not decided that we deserve to have it.
 
... 4-DIMM sucks for Intel and AMD unless you go HEDT with Quad/Hexa/Octa-channel memory. Unfortunately, 2-DIMM options are extremely limited because people keep buying 4-DIMM crap.
Eh, 4-DIMM's ain't so bad :p

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:cough: said no one, ever. Been ages since I last posted, but had to come back here for research while building this latest system. The above MSI X670E Carbon and 9900X CPU actually came from eBay! Right time, right place kind of deals.

The RAM, 2 kits of 2x32GB @ 6400MT CL32, was a gamble... but because it was inexpensive, I wasn't going to be offended if it wouldn't work as a set of four. If it were to work properly with 2 sticks at 6400MT, that would have been more than plenty for the system's intended recipient. Oh, he's the electrician that's gonna install 230V circuits and wiring in my basement so I can finally put all of the damn hardware in one place.

IF this thing hits 10000% I'm gonna stop and revisit the 192GB RAM kit that I almost got cooperating with my old ROG STRIX-E X670E.

...It shouldn't be a special exception or considered a privilege to buy parts that do not suck.
That's the quandary. After including the aforementioned machine, I've got 456 CPU threads, 1.32 TB overall RAM), mixture of modern, consumer AMD/Intel CPUs, 90% DDR5, running in my home. Don't know what the overall cost was, but I'm sure the sum would not be enough to cover a Threadripper PRO 7995WX 96c/192t, big-ass motherboard, and 1TB of appropriate DDR5.

Regardless of the procurement path, I'm not going to have many privileges for a while... until I pay down those 6 and 12-month 0% financing offers. :p
 
it is in gene amd overclocking -> ddr -> ddr oc spd timing there. you can try use f9 search the term.
I will look again. I searched manually on every menu and tRCWR was not found using BIOS search feature.

Setting it does not work? You have to use a hex editor to change it?
 
I'll have to check the strings in my firmware.

This says VDDQ must be less than 200mV above VDD. Nothing about a negative feedback loop or a mere 20mV differential.
The negative feedback string dansi mentioned I have not seen on TUF, but I don't know which ASUS board UEFI manual PDF I was reading I saw that string, but unsure, will check and report back if find it.

Yes the help string is a contradiction.

"Note, that running VDDQ != VDD is non-standard and may cause memory stability issues."

Running VDDQ not equal to VDD is not optimal.

"Take care that during ramp down and ramp up, the VDDq-VDD voltage must be less than 200mv."

IMO poorly worded, nonsensical to me.

I do not find it anywhere in the Gene BIOS. Not in Extreme Tweaker or AMD Overclocking memory timing menus. Seems ASUS has not decided that we deserve to have it.
UEFI tab Advanced, AMD Overclocking, DDR and Infinity Fabric Frequency, dig around in there. IIRC Timings, found within DDR SPD timings

I would look but my AM5 system is running something, but look at the menu text below in red.

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Setting it does not work? You have to use a hex editor to change it?
You don't use hex editor.

The setting uses hexadecimal input not decimal.

Decimal 10 input be A, 11 be B, use windows/phone calculator in programmer mode to see decimal as hexadecimal.

This is an AMD AGESA option.

Since AM4 1000 series, the AMD timings menu in AMD section of UEFI, has been hexadecimal input. That's why people don't really use it/venture in to and use the main areas of UEFI.
 
I will look again. I searched manually on every menu and tRCWR was not found using BIOS search feature.

Setting it does not work? You have to use a hex editor to change it?
Address is right, you need to set tRCDR on manuel 🙂

Advanced (on the top)> AMD Overclocking> DDR> DDR Spd Timing> tRCDR> Manuel and you can see tRCDWR and tRCDRD
 
I don't have any ASUS AM5 boards on hand. Can you get an exact quote of that warning?

I've definitely run much greater than a 20mV differential, sometimes for protracted periods, with no apparent downsides. Some configs essentially mandate a differential for stability as they'd be too hot, or require too much ProcODT otherwise.
I think Asus removed the text string in latest bios. I cannot find in 2702 now.
It was back in Aug, I even posted here and some discussions made. Something about ramp up surge if the differential is >0.02v

found here https://www.overclock.net/posts/29414723/
 
Thanks, gents. Much appreciated. I found it. It does NOT come up in BIOS search. But, maybe because it is hidden and to see it you have to change tRCD Ctrl from Auto to Manual for the option to be exposed. Man, what a super stupid and unintuitive way of doing things. At least it works. I set hex 12 for tRCDWR value of 18 and 2D for a tRCDRD value of 45. A$$Zeus need to add it to the normal menu that everyone would prefer to use.

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Aida itself is just not a great benchmarking software, that option actually causes lower FPS in games, it actually hurts performance. Has been discussed here aswell
I wouldn't put much faith in those benchmarks, tuned setups very likely won't behave the same as 5600MT/s JEDEC auto timings.

There's also the fact that AMD couldn't confirm that MSI's Latency Killer was the same set of tuning that ASUS and the other vendors have implemented.

I've tested both 8000CL34 and 6400CL28 with the ASRock equivalent feature :

  • AGESA defaults have slightly better average FPS
  • Legacy/LK have significantly better 0.1% lows
  • AGESA defaults were very stuttery in some games (MHWilds notably)
  • 2:1 was more impacted and performed better overall with LK
  • 1:1 was more or less the same, just a choice between better average FPS vs better 0.1%
  • IMC-related synthetics are mostly better with AGESA defaults

I'll post the numbers when I'm home.
 
i think you vsoc can go lower, like 1.15v

what is the benefit of changing trcdwr to lower values?
I probably can. I've had the Gene less than 24 hours and figuring things out still. I returned a Carbon for refund (replaced by the Gene) and there are major difference in some of the BIOS options. On top of that, less than 90 days of owning an AM5 system, so a pretty dramatic adjustment in some ways coming from many years of Intel overclocking. Right now I am exploring what worked well on the Carbon to find out what it is called and if it works well on the Gene. There shouldn't be so many differences between brands, but that is an issue with the Intel side as well. Industry standards on menu structure and nomenclature would be nice, LOL. I doubt we will ever see that to the extent we would like to.

The lower value seems to add a small improvement in speed and a small reduction in latency compared to having both tRCD values identical, and it hasn't reduced stability from what I can see so far.
 
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