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Originally Posted by andydabeast

I am looking for the best 280mm radiator 60mm thick or less. There are so many 360mm rad roundups but nobody seems to care for the 280mm form factor.



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This review has the HWL Nemesis 280GTX on top, but does not compare all 280mm rads. I know the phobya g-changer 280 is pretty good too but I do not know how it compares.

I am space limited so a single 280 rad is what I will use for a Ryzen 1600x and GTX 1080. I do not require silent operation but prefer to only buy a rad once, so I want to find the best I can. Not sure if I can fit a push/pull config with a 60mm rad, but I know I can get a 60mm with push.

What other 280mm rads may out-perform the Nemesis GTX?
Thanks!

Phobya uses the same manufacturer as Alphacool, so their radiators should perform almost identically as long as you are comparing two that are the same FPI and thickness. HWLabs has a GTR line of radiators that improve upon the GTX a bit. They make a 280mm version now HERE.

 

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Phobya uses the same manufacturer as Alphacool, so their radiators should perform almost identically as long as you are comparing two that are the same FPI and thickness. HWLabs has a GTR line of radiators that improve upon the GTX a bit. They make a 280mm version now HERE.

Wow thanks for the info. 360mm rad is almost the same area as a 280, so if we look at this Tech Power-up review it looks like over 1500rpm the GTR wins and under 1500rpm the GTX wins. GTR is really optimized for high fan rpm.

That being said, looking at the worst case for the GTR at 600rpm it was only trailing behind by 2.5C. But at higher rpm it was only beating the GTX by 0.4C. Essentially it is only better if you run high rpm all the time.

 

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Originally Posted by andydabeast

Wow thanks for the info. 360mm rad is almost the same area as a 280, so if we look at this Tech Power-up review it looks like over 1500rpm the GTR wins and under 1500rpm the GTX wins. GTR is really optimized for high fan rpm.

That being said, looking at the worst case for the GTR at 600rpm it was only trailing behind by 2.5C. But at higher rpm it was only beating the GTX by 0.4C. Essentially it is only better if you run high rpm all the time.

Correct. I was under the impression that you were looking for the absolute most cooling power offered by a 280mm rad. The difference will be even larger if you can run that radiator in a push/pull config with even higher RPM or static pressure fans than used in that review. The Noctua indutrial line is what I use on my HWlabs rads due to their extremely high static pressure at 2200RPM. My rad measures in at 56mm thick if that helps you.

 

How does the black ice variant relate to these? Is it only 4 more FPI and double row?

http://hardwarelabs.com/blackice/gtx/gtx-280/

http://hardwarelabs.com/nemesis/gtx/280gtx/

 

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Correct. I was under the impression that you were looking for the absolute most cooling power offered by a 280mm rad. The difference will be even larger if you can run that radiator in a push/pull config with even higher RPM or static pressure fans than used in that review. The Noctua indutrial line is what I use on my HWlabs rads due to their extremely high static pressure at 2200RPM. My rad measures in at 56mm thick if that helps you.

I have to measure some things to see if push-pull is an option. Probably not unless I cut out the base of my wood case. I would first try with push and see if I want to spend the effort for the clearance of push-pull. Looking at fan options may be the deciding factor between which rad to get.
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Originally Posted by stephenn82

How does the black ice variant relate to these? Is it only r more FPI and double row?

http://hardwarelabs.com/blackice/gtx/gtx-280/

http://hardwarelabs.com/nemesis/gtx/280gtx/

I have no idea the difference besides the FPI. If I find a review that covers both I will post it here.

 

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How does the black ice variant relate to these? Is it only r more FPI and double row?

http://hardwarelabs.com/blackice/gtx/gtx-280/

http://hardwarelabs.com/nemesis/gtx/280gtx/

Biggest differences are that the Nemisis rads are the newer revisions. They have larger tubing areas to lower flow resistance, have 4 less FPI so they work with a greater range of fan speeds, and come in the "dark matter" black wrinkle finish.

 

Thanks! will be watching for it. Really considering getting a 360 for front and 280 on top, and some blocks...but was wondering which rads to get. I think Jayztwocents uses these babies.

 

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Biggest differences are that the Nemisis rads are the newer revisions. They have larger tubing areas to lower flow resistance, have 4 less FPI so they work with a greater range of fan speeds, and come in the "dark matter" black wrinkle finish.

Nice...we must have submitted our posts like the same time. I didnt see this until coming back like an hour later. So, if you had the choice between the two, you would pick the 16 fpi newer ones?

 

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Nice...we must have submitted our posts like the same time. I didnt see this until coming back like an hour later. So, if you had the choice between the two, you would pick the 16 fpi newer ones?

Depends on how much value you put on those differences. I would personally as I prefer less FPI to lessen the build up of dust and the larger flow tubes.

 

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Nice...we must have submitted our posts like the same time. I didnt see this until coming back like an hour later. So, if you had the choice between the two, you would pick the 16 fpi newer ones?

For me I think I will research what fans I would use and if I can fit a push-pull configuration. I have two fans off a Corsair H110 so if I could pair those with some high pressure ones then maybe I'll get the GTR.

I guess putting it this way- the temperature matters more when under full load and the fans are spinning up than when idle.- makes me lean towards the GTR.

 

The Corsair MagLev fans are LEGIT. They have good flow, high pressure, and quiet and can spin up to like 2400RPM.

 

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The Corsair MagLev fans are LEGIT. They have good flow, high pressure, and quiet and can spin up to like 2400RPM.

From the time I have spent on these forums, noone really cares the top rpm of fans, they care about the low end and how they sound below 1k.

I do agree that the ML series is legit though. I have 6 in my ITX build and couldn't be happier with them.

 

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From the time I have spent on these forums, noone really cares the top rpm of fans, they care about the low end and how they sound below 1k.

I do agree that the ML series is legit though. I have 6 in my ITX build and couldn't be happier with them.

I would agree, but with a user looking at the GTR model of the HardwareLabs radiators...that is what they should be specing out...the top RPM, as this design of radiator requires. At least air moved at approximately 1500 rpm or so.