Trying to find more info/reviews on this monitor. Has it officially released yet??
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Would be interested to hear more about this one too, there's like 2 people I saw already have bought it in some swedish overclocking community site following with one post summarizing feedback on them and both were very positive (mind you people who haven't used very high quality monitors in the past though)
In particular I'm interested in the 180Hz overclocking capability, how well it works and if there's any noticeable artifacts/sideffects (white halo visible?) and such. Backlight bleed and such is always good to check too. Also I wonder if there's really any meaningful difference of the advertised GSync V2, I suspect it's more of a marketing tactic but if there's some actual improvement to v2 of any kind, this would be very interesting to know.
However I cannot stand the stand ;p Luckily I bet ASUS will be using this exact same panel in their upcoming variant of the same package but Acer is first to the market like so often these days. Hopefully the overclockability of 180Hz on the Acer FORCES ASUS to bring higher than 144Hz to their product, they already have been talking about possibly bringing it up to 165Hz and now that this Acer product with 180Hz capability is out it kinda settles it for ASUS too that they should AT LEAST bring out 165Hz if not more. For me 165Hz would be a fine value, 180Hz is just getting overkill, 144Hz is already pretty satisfactory but you can never have enough but the 165Hz for me is a good balance between the urge to need to buy better GPUs more often to handle that 165 FPS (would be getting expensier with 180 FPS) so in that mind, I'd be perfectly happy with 165Hz on the ASUS, anything higher than 144Hz will make it cool though.
In particular I'm interested in the 180Hz overclocking capability, how well it works and if there's any noticeable artifacts/sideffects (white halo visible?) and such. Backlight bleed and such is always good to check too. Also I wonder if there's really any meaningful difference of the advertised GSync V2, I suspect it's more of a marketing tactic but if there's some actual improvement to v2 of any kind, this would be very interesting to know.
However I cannot stand the stand ;p Luckily I bet ASUS will be using this exact same panel in their upcoming variant of the same package but Acer is first to the market like so often these days. Hopefully the overclockability of 180Hz on the Acer FORCES ASUS to bring higher than 144Hz to their product, they already have been talking about possibly bringing it up to 165Hz and now that this Acer product with 180Hz capability is out it kinda settles it for ASUS too that they should AT LEAST bring out 165Hz if not more. For me 165Hz would be a fine value, 180Hz is just getting overkill, 144Hz is already pretty satisfactory but you can never have enough but the 165Hz for me is a good balance between the urge to need to buy better GPUs more often to handle that 165 FPS (would be getting expensier with 180 FPS) so in that mind, I'd be perfectly happy with 165Hz on the ASUS, anything higher than 144Hz will make it cool though.
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About 180 Hz. Sounds interesting, but without a professional review that can measure the consequences of this overclock, it feels like a doubtful purchase. If I recall correctly, overclocking to 165 Hz on the new IPS screens from Acer and Asus increased response times slightly. Pretty sure that overclocking to 180 Hz on this monitor will come with drawbacks as well.
Have you read somewhere that Asus will release a monitor like this?Originally Posted by RPGWiZaRD
Would be interested to hear more about this one too, there's like 2 people I saw already have bought it in some swedish overclocking community site following with one post summarizing feedback on them and both were very positive (mind you people who haven't used very high quality monitors in the past though)
In particular I'm interested in the 180Hz overclocking capability, how well it works and if there's any noticeable artifacts/sideffects (white halo visible?) and such. Backlight bleed and such is always good to check too. Also I wonder if there's really any meaningful difference of the advertised GSync V2, I suspect it's more of a marketing tactic but if there's some actual improvement to v2 of any kind, this would be very interesting to know.
However I cannot stand the stand ;p Luckily I bet ASUS will be using this exact same panel in their upcoming variant of the same package but Acer is first to the market like so often these days. Hopefully the overclockability of 180Hz on the Acer FORCES ASUS to bring higher than 144Hz to their product, they already have been talking about possibly bringing it up to 165Hz and now that this Acer product with 180Hz capability is out it kinda settles it for ASUS too that they should AT LEAST bring out 165Hz if not more. For me 165Hz would be a fine value, 180Hz is just getting overkill, 144Hz is already pretty satisfactory but you can never have enough but the 165Hz for me is a good balance between the urge to need to buy better GPUs more often to handle that 165 FPS (would be getting expensier with 180 FPS) so in that mind, I'd be perfectly happy with 165Hz on the ASUS, anything higher than 144Hz will make it cool though.
About 180 Hz. Sounds interesting, but without a professional review that can measure the consequences of this overclock, it feels like a doubtful purchase. If I recall correctly, overclocking to 165 Hz on the new IPS screens from Acer and Asus increased response times slightly. Pretty sure that overclocking to 180 Hz on this monitor will come with drawbacks as well.
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You can see the info about ASUS upcoming model here (doesn't have a model name yet):
http://techfrag.com/2016/01/19/asus-is-working-on-a-24-rog-swift-g-sync-monitor/ (also presented in the video down on the page)
https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=fi&sl=sv&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.sweclockers.com%2Fnyhet%2F21526-asus-forbereder-rog-swift-skarm-med-24-tum-och-g-sync
I'm aware of the 165Hz IPS result from ASUS and Acer but IPS panels are noticeably slower in response times than TN panels and I simply think the reason for those results is simply because IPS panels aren't fast enough to cope with 165Hz. However TN should be able to I think and with a personal guess (but don't quote me on it) will see improved response times all the way up to around 200Hz for the fastest panels today. I think bringing out overclocked TN panels supporting even higher than 144Hz will be a good way for manufacturers to still be able to sell "premium" TN panel monitors these days. IPS tops out at 144Hz with the fastest panels today so it will be stupid to offer higher than 144Hz for IPS. Offering 165 - 200Hz TN panels would still make them a relevant option as in the past when it was about picking for gaming (TN) or picture quality (IPS) before 144Hz IPS options started showing up which will be enough performance wise for 90%+ of people anyway.Originally Posted by Mack42
Have you read somewhere that Asus will release a monitor like this?
About 180 Hz. Sounds interesting, but without a professional review that can measure the consequences of this overclock, it feels like a doubtful purchase. If I recall correctly, overclocking to 165 Hz on the new IPS screens from Acer and Asus increased response times slightly. Pretty sure that overclocking to 180 Hz on this monitor will come with drawbacks as well.
You can see the info about ASUS upcoming model here (doesn't have a model name yet):
http://techfrag.com/2016/01/19/asus-is-working-on-a-24-rog-swift-g-sync-monitor/ (also presented in the video down on the page)
https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=fi&sl=sv&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.sweclockers.com%2Fnyhet%2F21526-asus-forbereder-rog-swift-skarm-med-24-tum-och-g-sync
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The Acer's MSRP is $499 and ASUS typically sets itself $50 above the Acer offering, but yea I'm pretty sure the ASUS one will be 499 - $549.
It's ASUS ROG we're talking about, since when did that stuff become cheap?Originally Posted by Mack42
Thanks for the links.
If they use a high quality TN panel, perhaps 8 bit, and overclocked to 165Hz, yes then I think it could be a nice monitor. Provided they keep the price low.
Im currently using an asus rog swift pg278q. I want to go back down to a 24" for csgo. Bought the benq xl2430t and hated it so i returned it.
Had the XB241H, it was okay, but for $400 its just not worth the money when i have a 2795QHD that i got for $300 that obliterates it in picture quality. That said the colors were very accurate on the monitor, but its a TN so it doesn't really matter since that accuracy is only true for the center region of the monitor since off angle you get shifting.
Contrast was kind of poor at 800:1 calibrated, it was around 900:1 uncalibrated at 144hz, and at 60hz it managed to hit 1000:1. Unless you NEED gsync i would suggest the XG2401 from Viewsonic which is $100 cheaper and will give you the same performance but has better image quality with a higher 900:1 or higher calibrated contrast ratio as well as similar color accuracy as the XB. It has freesync so you may consider going AMD when its time to upgrade if you don't already have AMD.
Really the only thing the XB241H offers over the Viewsonic is Gsync so if you're an nvidia loyalist thats the only option for a new 24" 144hz monitor with VRR.
Otherwise the Viewonic has freesync which is equivalent to Gsync, costs $100 less, has an extra HDMI port as well as usb ports which the XB completely lacks. The stand on the viewsonic is also less obtrusive in its rectangular base design. I found the XB to just take up way too much desk space with its pointed feet. The other thing that i can't comprehend is why Acer decided to make the inner front bezel that meets the actual panel perpendicular to the panel instead of tilted away from the panel to avoid reflections like 99% of other monitors.
Granted the bezel is matte (its actually a very light matte, almost semi glossy) there are still some reflections from the screen because of their design. The Viewsonic has the angled bezel and the bezel is more matte to begin with so reflections from the screen there are a complete non issue.
EDIT: If you're looking for the absolute best image quality on a 24" 144hz TN monitor then theres no other choice than the LG 24GM77, however it lacks both gsync and freesync, and arguably its not tremendously better than the XG2401, and with both being the same price i'd still take the Viewsonic simply because of how nice of a feature freesync is on top of just preferring the overall matte enclosure.
Contrast was kind of poor at 800:1 calibrated, it was around 900:1 uncalibrated at 144hz, and at 60hz it managed to hit 1000:1. Unless you NEED gsync i would suggest the XG2401 from Viewsonic which is $100 cheaper and will give you the same performance but has better image quality with a higher 900:1 or higher calibrated contrast ratio as well as similar color accuracy as the XB. It has freesync so you may consider going AMD when its time to upgrade if you don't already have AMD.
Really the only thing the XB241H offers over the Viewsonic is Gsync so if you're an nvidia loyalist thats the only option for a new 24" 144hz monitor with VRR.
Otherwise the Viewonic has freesync which is equivalent to Gsync, costs $100 less, has an extra HDMI port as well as usb ports which the XB completely lacks. The stand on the viewsonic is also less obtrusive in its rectangular base design. I found the XB to just take up way too much desk space with its pointed feet. The other thing that i can't comprehend is why Acer decided to make the inner front bezel that meets the actual panel perpendicular to the panel instead of tilted away from the panel to avoid reflections like 99% of other monitors.
Granted the bezel is matte (its actually a very light matte, almost semi glossy) there are still some reflections from the screen because of their design. The Viewsonic has the angled bezel and the bezel is more matte to begin with so reflections from the screen there are a complete non issue.
EDIT: If you're looking for the absolute best image quality on a 24" 144hz TN monitor then theres no other choice than the LG 24GM77, however it lacks both gsync and freesync, and arguably its not tremendously better than the XG2401, and with both being the same price i'd still take the Viewsonic simply because of how nice of a feature freesync is on top of just preferring the overall matte enclosure.
I'm very curious about this one too. I've recently returned two of the newer tech g-sync monitors. I returned a ROG Swift PG279Q because of BLB, and I returned a PG278Q because of vertical interlacing / pixel inversion. I'm REALLY hoping the panel on the XB241H bmpr doesn't have the pixel inversion issue present in the new 27 inch high speed TNs.
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It doesn't, also if you do end up getting this monitor dont bother using the overclocking feature, just use 144hz.Originally Posted by sixstringmonk
I'm very curious about this one too. I've recently returned two of the newer tech g-sync monitors. I returned a ROG Swift PG279Q because of BLB, and I returned a PG278Q because of vertical interlacing / pixel inversion. I'm REALLY hoping the panel on the XB241H bmpr doesn't have the pixel inversion issue present in the new 27 inch high speed TNs.
Anyone currently using this monitor? How is it? I am really needing to upgrade my old monitor from 2010.
I like the 24" size and I want 1080p, also Gsync sounds awesome.
There are not a whole lot of options that offer 1080p, 24" and Gsync.
I like the 24" size and I want 1080p, also Gsync sounds awesome.
There are not a whole lot of options that offer 1080p, 24" and Gsync.
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Got mine today. Dead pixel and really bad backlight uniformity. Not sure if it's a monitor issue or a setting problem somewhere - but when using gsync, some games would sometimes cap at 120hz even though I had use highest refresh rate forced on globally in the Nvidia control panel and even in the ingame options.Originally Posted by gooface
Anyone currently using this monitor? How is it?
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So you suggest to stay clear from the Acer XB241H? Although I know the Viewsonic XG2401 supports Freesync, I am in a pickle trying to decide between that and the Acer XB241H.Originally Posted by Ickz
Got mine today. Dead pixel and really bad backlight uniformity. Not sure if it's a monitor issue or a setting problem somewhere - but when using gsync, some games would sometimes cap at 120hz even though I had use highest refresh rate forced on globally in the Nvidia control panel and even in the ingame options.
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Do you still stand by Viewsonic XG2401 > Acer XB241H? After searching around for about a week, I have finally narrowed my options down to these two as the best TN panel for my price range. I will be running a GTX 1070, so, G-Sync is slightly preferred, however I understand adaptive sync is not 'be all and end all'. Is the Viewsonic the better monitor of the two? Or will I be better off getting the Acer XB241H just because I can utilise G-Sync?Originally Posted by Malinkadink
Had the XB241H, it was okay, but for $400 its just not worth the money when i have a 2795QHD that i got for $300 that obliterates it in picture quality. That said the colors were very accurate on the monitor, but its a TN so it doesn't really matter since that accuracy is only true for the center region of the monitor since off angle you get shifting.
Contrast was kind of poor at 800:1 calibrated, it was around 900:1 uncalibrated at 144hz, and at 60hz it managed to hit 1000:1. Unless you NEED gsync i would suggest the XG2401 from Viewsonic which is $100 cheaper and will give you the same performance but has better image quality with a higher 900:1 or higher calibrated contrast ratio as well as similar color accuracy as the XB. It has freesync so you may consider going AMD when its time to upgrade if you don't already have AMD.
Really the only thing the XB241H offers over the Viewsonic is Gsync so if you're an nvidia loyalist thats the only option for a new 24" 144hz monitor with VRR.
Otherwise the Viewonic has freesync which is equivalent to Gsync, costs $100 less, has an extra HDMI port as well as usb ports which the XB completely lacks. The stand on the viewsonic is also less obtrusive in its rectangular base design. I found the XB to just take up way too much desk space with its pointed feet. The other thing that i can't comprehend is why Acer decided to make the inner front bezel that meets the actual panel perpendicular to the panel instead of tilted away from the panel to avoid reflections like 99% of other monitors.
Granted the bezel is matte (its actually a very light matte, almost semi glossy) there are still some reflections from the screen because of their design. The Viewsonic has the angled bezel and the bezel is more matte to begin with so reflections from the screen there are a complete non issue.
EDIT: If you're looking for the absolute best image quality on a 24" 144hz TN monitor then theres no other choice than the LG 24GM77, however it lacks both gsync and freesync, and arguably its not tremendously better than the XG2401, and with both being the same price i'd still take the Viewsonic simply because of how nice of a feature freesync is on top of just preferring the overall matte enclosure.
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Definitely get the XB241H for G-sync/ULMB if you have a 1070. You won't be getting 100+ fps in all the latest titles with the setting maxed out so Gsync will definitely be of help where you'll be getting a lot of fps fluctuations. They're really similar in panel quality if you get a good one, so there i'd say they're even. If you had an AMD gpu then of course go for the Viewsonic, however even with an Nvidia GPU if you really dont care for Gsync and want to save $100-150 then the Viewsonic is still a good choice.Originally Posted by exertion
Do you still stand by Viewsonic XG2401 > Acer XB241H? After searching around for about a week, I have finally narrowed my options down to these two as the best TN panel for my price range. I will be running a GTX 1070, so, G-Sync is slightly preferred, however I understand adaptive sync is not 'be all and end all'. Is the Viewsonic the better monitor of the two? Or will I be better off getting the Acer XB241H just because I can utilise G-Sync?
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It was out of the LG 24GM77, Viewsonic XG2401 and Acer XB241H, however I decided the sync feature would come in handy for around the same price anyway. I believe (correct me if I'm wrong) that these 3 monitors are probably the best 24" TN monitors for this price range? I hope I'm not making the wrong choice by going with the Acer XB241H.
If you think the Acer and Viewsonic are even in performance, then I think I'll get the Acer, considering G-Sync will help me. The price difference doesn't really bother me, as it's not that much more and still within my price range. I was just wanting the best TN panel for around that price range, so I wasn't sure if one was better than the other.Originally Posted by Malinkadink
Definitely get the XB241H for G-sync/ULMB if you have a 1070. You won't be getting 100+ fps in all the latest titles with the setting maxed out so Gsync will definitely be of help where you'll be getting a lot of fps fluctuations. They're really similar in panel quality if you get a good one, so there i'd say they're even. If you had an AMD gpu then of course go for the Viewsonic, however even with an Nvidia GPU if you really dont care for Gsync and want to save $100-150 then the Viewsonic is still a good choice.
It was out of the LG 24GM77, Viewsonic XG2401 and Acer XB241H, however I decided the sync feature would come in handy for around the same price anyway. I believe (correct me if I'm wrong) that these 3 monitors are probably the best 24" TN monitors for this price range? I hope I'm not making the wrong choice by going with the Acer XB241H.
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You don't think the quality of the Acer XB241H is good? When is the PC248Q due to release?Originally Posted by RPGWiZaRD
I hope the upcoming ASUS PG248Q 180Hz will be better quality than the Acer, especially if it will be like 450 ~ $500 lol. My predictions says it's based on the same panel as Acer though so not holding my hopes too high.
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PG248Q doesn't have any release date yet, it doesn't even have a product page. The ASUS 180Hz display as well as the PG258Q 240Hz(!) 24.5" 1080p TN GSYNC ASUS display was first announced on Computex a little while ago and I'm like checking daily only to find info about price/availability etc xD
I personally couldn't stand the stand on this Acer and ASUS has my favorite monitor design so therefore I'm much more keen on it even if performance I don't expect to be much different, things like color accuracy (balance), Overdrive settings and such are the only things that probably slightly bit differs.
EDIT: Speaking of which, seems like ASUS must have added the prodct page for PG248Q today finally as I've checked for it yesterday and wasn't existing then yet. xD
https://www.asus.com/Monitors/ROG-SWIFT-PG248Q/
^ I guess having an on screen built in FPS meter won't hurt to have either.
Well it's not bad, not superb. I'm praying ASUS will be even better though as I really have my sights on that one now but since both this Acer supports GSYNC and up to 180Hz and is also a TN panel 24" 1080p chances are they will be using the same panel and if Acer has issues with uneven backlighting chances are that ASUS also will have. But yea too little info yet to be able to make any conclusions, heck even this Acer XB241H is very uncommon so it's difficult to say how much a sample to another varies in quality.Originally Posted by exertion
You don't think the quality of the Acer XB241H is good? When is the PC248Q due to release?
PG248Q doesn't have any release date yet, it doesn't even have a product page. The ASUS 180Hz display as well as the PG258Q 240Hz(!) 24.5" 1080p TN GSYNC ASUS display was first announced on Computex a little while ago and I'm like checking daily only to find info about price/availability etc xD
I personally couldn't stand the stand on this Acer and ASUS has my favorite monitor design so therefore I'm much more keen on it even if performance I don't expect to be much different, things like color accuracy (balance), Overdrive settings and such are the only things that probably slightly bit differs.
EDIT: Speaking of which, seems like ASUS must have added the prodct page for PG248Q today finally as I've checked for it yesterday and wasn't existing then yet. xD
https://www.asus.com/Monitors/ROG-SWIFT-PG248Q/
^ I guess having an on screen built in FPS meter won't hurt to have either.
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The price difference is almost enough to make me go back and switch the PG248Q, and also because I've heard that they use the same panel. There are so few reviews of these screens though, that it's hard for me to figure out if Asus actually has made any image quality improvements over Acer's use of the panel.
Now that Asus has released the PG248Q, have you been able to verify anything? I was actually looking at the XB241H since it was the cheaper of the two here in Sweden, but it ran out of stock and was pulled from the store's website, so I bought the PG248Q instead. Haven't opened the box since I got it, and now of course I've gotten an email confirmation saying that my booking of the XB241H is ready to pick up at the store.Originally Posted by RPGWiZaRD
I personally couldn't stand the stand on this Acer and ASUS has my favorite monitor design so therefore I'm much more keen on it even if performance I don't expect to be much different, things like color accuracy (balance), Overdrive settings and such are the only things that probably slightly bit differs.
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The price difference is almost enough to make me go back and switch the PG248Q, and also because I've heard that they use the same panel. There are so few reviews of these screens though, that it's hard for me to figure out if Asus actually has made any image quality improvements over Acer's use of the panel.
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I don't think so personally, nothing noteworthy judging from reviews. I haven't jumped onto PG248Q personally because the gamma shift/uneven white levels seems to be far too common on this one (and Acer) and becomes yellowish especially in the upper-left corner, also the drastic drop in contrast ratio at 180Hz and the scanlines that tend to appear etc. at higher refresh rates. It left a sour test in my mouth, too expensive for what you get. Waiting to see if the samples improve upon time or I might just wait for the 240Hz version, hoping it will do the refresh rate vs contrast ratio level better having a native 240Hz refresh rate support opposed to this 144Hz native with overclocking support. I don't want a contrast ratio level below 750:1 or so, I don't remember exactly but this PG248Q had like close to 550:1 at 180Hz or something.... yea that's not worth it other than if you are the hardcore CS gamer to use, have to use 144 - 160Hz to get a "decent" contrast, maybe the 240Hz version might at least give decent contrast 750:1'ish at 170-180Hz or so, that's what I'm hoping anyway.Originally Posted by doritos101
Now that Asus has released the PG248Q, have you been able to verify anything? I was actually looking at the XB241H since it was the cheaper of the two here in Sweden, but it ran out of stock and was pulled from the store's website, so I bought the PG248Q instead. Haven't opened the box since I got it, and now of course I've gotten an email confirmation saying that my booking of the XB241H is ready to pick up at the store.
The price difference is almost enough to make me go back and switch the PG248Q, and also because I've heard that they use the same panel. There are so few reviews of these screens though, that it's hard for me to figure out if Asus actually has made any image quality improvements over Acer's use of the panel.
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