Well give me a week and I can tell you about the hien, shiden, zero, hayate

But never used that one

 

I bought almost every type of Artisan Pad and felt that Raiden was the best of them in terms of feel - none of the other pads had any tracking issues or weird bugs like Raiden did.

I should clarify terms a bit:

High static friction = hard initial movement / Low static friction = easy initial movement, slippery.
High dynamic friction = slow during movment / Low dynamic friction = fast during movement - little force is required to maintain fast movement

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* Hien mid has very low static friction [slippery] and high dynamic [slow]
* Shiden mid is like the Raiden MID but has some glassfabric-layer, once that wears down it feels very different to what it felt at the start. I used this for 2 months and the wear became unbarable for me.
* Hayate mid/soft is similar to Raiden XSOFT however it wears heavily at overused spots, i question its durability.
* Havent tried Zero.
* Raiden has that horrible bug.

Every Artisanpad is like the wetdream for every gamers mousepad-fetish, however it always comes with a tradeoff

Its the devils mousepads.

 

I bought almost every type of Artisan Pad and felt that Raiden was the best of them in terms of feel - none of the other pads had any tracking issues or weird bugs like Raiden did.

I should clarify terms a bit:

High static friction = hard initial movement / Low static friction = easy initial movement, slippery.
High dynamic friction = slow during movment / Low dynamic friction = fast during movement - little force is required to maintain fast movement

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• Hien mid has very low static friction [slippery] and high dynamic [slow]
• Shiden mid is like the Raiden MID but has some glassfabric-layer, once that wears down it feels very different to what it felt at the start. I used this for 2 months and the wear became unbarable for me.
• Hayate mid/soft is similar to Raiden XSOFT however it wears heavily at overused spots, i question its durability.
• Havent tried Zero.
• Raiden has that horrible bug.

Every Artisanpad is like the wetdream for every gamers mousepad-fetish, however it always comes with a tradeoff

Its the devils mousepads.

Does the Raiden xsoft spin out the Model O Wireless which is 3370 sensor?

 

I get the spin bug with the Raiden, maybe its the color, mine is the brown one. Maybe you'll like the Otsu MID.

 

I get the spin bug with the Raiden, maybe its the color, mine is the brown one. Maybe you'll like the Otsu MID.

with what mouse?

 

spin bug occurs when you lift the mouse and put it down for me, with 3310 mice and 3366 as well (less often though).
but lifting and putting it down fast was the easiest way to reproduce it.

I never got mine to a point where static friction was high, so I can't help you with that much to be honest.

Zowie G-SR is a little slow unfortunately, but does have higher static friction.

 

I also love the feel of my raiden, and the only mouse that doesn't spin out or malfunction for me is my deathadder 2013, which I don't play too well with. Devil's mousepad indeed.

 

Actually think Xtrfy's XTP1 is very close to a worn Raiden. On the lower end of medium static friction and fairly low dynamic friction.

To try and quantify (rough estimations based on my feeling):

Lets say [for arguments sake] that a New Raiden: 1/10 dynamic friction and 2/10 static friction. A worn one: 2/10 dynamic and 3/10 static.

Versus:

Xtrfy's XTP1: 3/10 dynamic and 4/10 static.

Versus:

SteelSeries QCK: 7/10 dynamic and ~4/10 static

Versus:

Zowie GSR: 6/10 dynamic and ~4/10 static.

I think im going to stick to this one for a while.

 

UPDATE!

Hi again. The reason my Xtrfy mousepad felt so nice was because the medium edition is so thin that the table is interfering with the glide. With a larger version of the same pad, its thicker and feels almost like a QCK.

Im about to lit my hair on fire im so mad :'< - I dont want to use the medium pad as its too small. Any suggestions are welcome!

I tired to quantify what i want above, so i'll again state it: Moderate static friction [Easy to stop/Hard to get starting]. Low dynamic friction [Fast]

Love you guys.

EDIT: Btw, can someone tell me about how the Talent? Or the "Stealth" ? Anyone have any experience?

UPDATE 2:

Its not that its too thin that the desk interfers with the glide - its purely based on thickness.

Ive now tested with different hard and soft materials underneath and the glide stay consistent, as i want it to with the Xtrfy pad and its absolutely to my taste - its 2mm thick and im in love with the glide. However, they dont make large pads that are as thin - its either 3 or 4mm thick. And its a MASSIVE DIFFERENCE as 1 feels like QCK (4mm) and the other feels almost like Raiden (2mm)

I spoke too soon about the desk before testing more/different "underlays/mountings(?)" not sure what the term would be, regardless this is exactly what im looking for.

 

Razer Goliathus Control/Speed Large, large and thin, not cushy at all.

 

try callibrating the g403 to the raiden

 

Have done that, didnt help.

 

UPDATE 2:

Its not that its too thin that the desk interfers with the glide - its purely based on thickness - it has to be.

Ive now tested with different hard and soft materials underneath and the glide stay consistent, as i want it to with the Xtrfy pad and its absolutely to my taste - its 2mm thick and im in love with the glide. However, they dont make large pads that are as thin - its either 3 or 4mm thick. And its a MASSIVE DIFFERENCE as 1 feels like QCK (4mm) and the other feels almost like Raiden (2mm)

I spoke too soon about the desk before testing more/different "underlays/mountings(?)" not sure what the term would be, regardless this is exactly what im looking for.

History:

I bought the XTRFY XGP1 Medium (its GP1 not TP1) about a year ago, tested it for a day and put it away in the box it came with. A few weeks ago with the Raiden-bug getting on my nerves with the G403 i took it out again to test and it felt great.

About two days after i made this thread: i went to the store and bought a larger version of the same pad: XTRFY XGP1 Large and it felt like a QCK so i prematurely concluded that it has to be the desk interfeering with the glide because the Medium pad is 2mm thinner. However this is not the case! I guess i have to stay with the Medium pad and mail-bomb Xtrfy to make thin and Large mousepads

wish me luck.

If anyone wants an opinion on any mousepads regarding "glide" "friction" or whatever, feel free to PM as i've tested SO MANY GODDAMN MOUSEPADS. The industry never comments on how the mousepad feels which leaves the consumer guessing/gambling as to what kind of "friction" it has.

Thanks for suggestions anyway!

 

I am a bit confused on the friction terms for mouse pads.

I like pads like QCK and Hien feeling when going to start movement that have little resistance, but don't particularly like the slow glide, stopping is great.

I really hate surfaces that have a faster glide, but feel sticky at start and small movements like GS-R and Glorious, they just give me a feeling when I need to make a small adjustment the mouse is frozen to the pad.

I currently use GTF-X for the easy start/small movement and fast glide, but it does come at expense of some stopping power (this is why I use hybrid pad instead of hard pad, hard pad doesn't stop well enough to me).

Can you translate what I want into friction terms? Is there a pad like the GTF-X that has just a tad more stop?

 

From my experience:

* Hein has Low static friction and Medium-High dynamic friction.
* QCK has Medium-Low static friction and Medium-High dynamic friction.

Further clarifying terms:

Dynamic is reference to speed or "while moving":

* Low Dynamic = Low effort to get to high speeds (low resistance while moving).
* High Dynamic = High effort to get to high speeds (high resistance while moving) - this indirectly makes it easier to stop, as you cant move at super-high speeds.

Static is reference to the initial movement. It also determines how hard it is to stop.

* Low Static = Low effort to get the mouse moving initially (almost slippery) - The other side of the coin is: its hard to stop accurately as its slippery.
* High Static = High effort to get the mouse moving initially (opposite of slippery) - The other side of the coin is: its very easy to stop accurately.
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Can you translate what I want into friction terms? Is there a pad like the GTF-X that has just a tad more stop?

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I like pads like QCK and Hien feeling when going to start movement that have little resistance, but don't particularly like the slow glide, stopping is great.

I really hate surfaces that have a faster glide, but feel sticky at start and small movements like GS-R and Glorious, they just give me a feeling when I need to make a small adjustment the mouse is frozen to the pad.

I have not tried the GTF-X. :< But i'll try to translate what you're saying.

Low-medium static friction (i.e. not too slippery, but with okay "stop") and Low Dynamic (fast) If i understand you correctly. It sounds like you want the pad i want/"have"; after trying to translate what you meant xD. You cant "good stop" with "low static" and "low dynamic", those two/three contradict eachother, so you'll have to find some medium there. A worn Raiden XSOFT or the Xtrfy XGP1 Medium (like the one im using now) are the two i can say are similar to what you're describing.

Remember that these terms are not "universal", its only how im trying to quantify my thoughts on the glide of mousepads. So take this comment with a grain of salt

EDIT: I'd imagine that GTF-X will become what you want the more it gets worn. Just some food for thought.

 

non-static friction of dry surfaces is called kinetic friction btw

kinetic friction "should" be an absolute force (i.e. not dependent on speed) at all velocities, but depending on surface dynamics it doesn't have to be (such as traction loss in cars for example)

 

Hien is strangely enjoyable surface for me. I can say if you're going to buy it go for the mid version. I have soft and I'm not entirely sure but I think the depression makes mouse stopping easier but gives some variance to consistency. This doesn't mean tracking changes, rather the motion or smoothness of the glide changes. For example you swipe right with minor pressure and the mouse will slowdown more compared to swipe with no pressure

It can be learned like anything but if you want consistency without the learn then mid. Although it's so unique I could just not recommend it at all cause it's only for some people.. I also love the sound the surface makes lol

 

I have edited your OP, please do not swear or use asterix to simulate swearing

 

Hey

Check your mouse maybe

I have now raiden for 5-6 months and i was playing on it with g303 for a longer time, also checked g403, g900, g502 and now i'm using gPro (2 weeks maybe).
I had no issues at all with compatibility with Artisan Raiden with any of this mouses. (also roccat kpm was working on it good).
Ah, and i had no problems with and without calibration.

 

one evening of testing: nixeus revel no spinouts on raiden. godtier duo confirmed.

 

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so OP, did you find anything you liked?

 

So even the 3366 has tracking issues on the Raiden? Is that only when you lift the mouse, or no?

Really bummed by that lol. I was planning on getting one. :/

 

my g303 spins out, but it could be because I tilt the mouse until it stops tracking instead of completely lifting it

 

I wonder what causes mice to malfunction on it

 

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I wonder what causes mice to malfunction on it

I remember this in a video I saw once. It was like a tour of one of Logitech's factories/labs where they were going over the different technology used in their mice and stuff. I believe one of the employees said that optical sensors have trouble tracking on very exact patterns or something. If the Raiden has a such a reeeally fine weave that's consistent throughout the pad, I guess that could cause problems. Like, the sensor can't detect a difference between where it's been and where it's going..?

Edit: Quote from this thread by user Above8.
Thread: http://www.overclock.net/t/1563541/discussion-of-targeting-technologies
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As sensor is optical and it measures texture surface, tracking quality strongly depends on characteristics of tracking surface. First of all, surface must contain information, that sensor could read, so surface needs to have contrast texture. To make it possible to re-create texture by samples, formula for the light allocation must be harmonic, with minimal frequency of 2 native pixels and maximal frequency of whole pixel array. This is an example of such texture.

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This texture may be re-create from samples with bi-cubic filtering. Such surface will provide accurate tracking even at high resolution (about 5x hardware resolution without jitter).

[pictures]

Sadly, on any other surface with inharmonic texture and relief tracking accuracy will be very low, much lower than offer any other technology, specified in this text.

Among other things, ICS have specific flaw related with noticeable lowering of accuracy with sensor rotation. It's related with arrangement of photodiodes in pixel array.

So it's actually the opposite of what I said?

 

Only got good tracking with laser mice on this pad. Mine was the coffee brown version, maybe its the color, and also the pad looks very non reflexive.

 

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Hey

Check your mouse maybe

I have now raiden for 5-6 months and i was playing on it with g303 for a longer time, also checked g403, g900, g502 and now i'm using gPro (2 weeks maybe).
I had no issues at all with compatibility with Artisan Raiden with any of this mouses. (also roccat kpm was working on it good).
Ah, and i had no problems with and without calibration.

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Originally Posted by realex

one evening of testing: nixeus revel no spinouts on raiden. godtier duo confirmed.

I want to confirm, is it the raiden mid or raiden xsoft you have, and is it coffee brown?

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Only got good tracking with laser mice on this pad. Mine was the coffee brown version, maybe its the color, and also the pad looks very non reflexive.

When did you test (and buy) this and with what non-laser mice?

Perhaps there have been mouse firmware updates or undocumented changes in the surface of the pads. It is a bit strange that multiple people report consistent problems and multiple people report zero problems, in one case even with the exact same mice.