Will be easier to find a 200mm to 140mm adapter than a good 200mm fan with a wide rpm range. A single good 140mm fan will usually outperform a 200mm fan when used behind a restrictive grille. Could also DIY your own 2X 120mm (240mm) to 200mm shroud/adapter using foam-art board, duct tape and a bad attitude.

The legendary-before-its-released Notcua 200mm still has not been released, but when it is, will feature a wide rpm range, strong static pressure and solve case airflow conflicts with a single (or multiple) blade. Or so legend has it.

 

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Will be easier to find a 200mm to 140mm adapter than a good 200mm fan with a wide rpm range. A single good 140mm fan will usually outperform a 200mm fan when used behind a restrictive grille. Could also DIY your own 2X 120mm (240mm) to 200mm shroud/adapter using foam-art board, duct tape and a bad attitude.

The legendary-before-its-released Notcua 200mm still has not been released, but when it is, will feature a wide rpm range, strong static pressure and solve case airflow conflicts with a single (or multiple) blade. Or so legend has it.

Ha I just read up on the Noctua. It seems like that will never get released as it was first introduced 2 or 3 years ago.
I have that shroud on my order form and may try it with a Corsair ML140 Pro Magnetic Levitation Cooling Fan or one of the 140mm noiseblocker eloop fans (though ti seems they are made for rads)... Do you have any recommendations for a 140mm fan for the front of the case?

 

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The legendary-before-its-released Notcua 200mm still has not been released, but when it is, will feature a wide rpm range, strong static pressure and solve case airflow conflicts with a single (or multiple) blade. Or so legend has it.

I am taking a serious risk here by posting this.....if the powers that be know that I know, they will hunt me down for sure....the reason the 200mm Noctua hasn't been released is because it will solve the world's energy needs for the foreseeable future. There would be no need for oil, and the fan can actually put 472X it's own draw back into the grid, making a single case capable of powering your whole house. The government and oil magnates will never allow the 200mm Noctua to see the light of day. It has met the same fate as the original electric car, I'm afraid.

Either that, or it is just as lousy as every single other 200mm that has come to market and Noctua doesn't feel it fit to bear their name.

 

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Ha I just read up on the Noctua. It seems like that will never get released as it was first introduced 2 or 3 years ago.
I have that shroud on my order form and may try it with a Corsair ML140 Pro Magnetic Levitation Cooling Fan or one of the 140mm noiseblocker eloop fans (though ti seems they are made for rads)... Do you have any recommendations for a 140mm fan for the front of the case?

ML140 is certainly worth a try and has a profitable chance to win the title for most costly intake fan. The eLoops could work well as intake fans - work best with moderate restriction (low fpi rads) - with the adapter should help avoid most of the sonic artifacts they can exhibit when used in pull (as most fans do).

The Noc A15/TR 147sq are good options as well. If you want (need) more airflow (and noise), the NZXT FX140 V2, Noctua NF-A14 iPPC 24V 3000 and TR TY 143 SQ are good options. However, before installation, the TY143 requires a blind revision of colour theory.

 

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I am taking a serious risk here by posting this.....if the powers that be know that I know, they will hunt me down for sure....the reason the 200mm Noctua hasn't been released is because it will solve the world's energy needs for the foreseeable future. There would be no need for oil, and the fan can actually put 472X it's own draw back into the grid, making a single case capable of powering your whole house. The government and oil magnates will never allow the 200mm Noctua to see the light of day. It has met the same fate as the original electric car, I'm afraid.

You're so brave! The rest of us know which way the tinfoil blows and will be reporting your post to the appropriate FB fan page so the NSA doesn't have to deep scrape here.
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Either that, or it is just as lousy as every single other 200mm that has come to market and Noctua doesn't feel it fit to bear their name.

With each revised prototype, they keep making the blades lighter and lighter. When they have mastered zero-mass PP molded blades, expect we can enjoy the benefits as you so recklessly revealed.

 

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ML140 is certainly worth a try and has a profitable chance to win the title for most costly intake fan. The eLoops could work well as intake fans - work best with moderate restriction (low fpi rads) - with the adapter should help avoid most of the sonic artifacts they can exhibit when used in pull (as most fans do).

The Noc A15/TR 147sq are good options as well. If you want (need) more airflow (and noise), the NZXT FX140 V2, Noctua NF-A14 iPPC 24V 3000 and TR TY 143 SQ are good options. However, before installation, the TY143 requires a blind revision of colour theory.

Or.....you could simply by the all black ones marketed under the Cooljag name.....if you can find them.

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You're so brave! The rest of us know which way the tinfoil blows and will be reporting your post to the appropriate FB fan page so the NSA doesn't have to deep scrape here.

Think twice about that, Garfield. Reporting me only lets them know that you know......besides, you tinfoil never worked well once you started cutting the ear holes in it.

 

I know that its not under your requirements but the MegaFlow from CM is a very good 200mm fan, used it in 3 of my builds and it always perform better than my expectations

 

I am looking for the best balance between airflow and noise.
Noise has not been an issue with me yet as I really do no hear any of the fans in my case unless they hit their high temp/max RPM range. I do occasionally hear my EVGA GTX 980 ACX fans spin up when running a game that pushes the card.
I should look at the specs for the ML 140 again as that seems like the way to go. Though they are a little expensive for intake fans. I have a few other fans around here and may have a 140mm. But I am not sure of the airflow.

Now for air intake at the front, should I be looking at CFM or static pressure? I am thinking CFM but I am not entirely sure....

 

The ML120 is a top tier fan. The 140.....not so much. Given the application you would get similar, or better, results with something like a Phanteks F140SP for half the price.

 

if you need 200mm fans
check this site: https://us.hardware.info/category/23/case-fans/products#filter:RYtBCsAgDAT_knMP6q3-RjS0gpCQKKWIf296KD0szAzsBCXpEIGJR0tS-w0bKGPO1Lx192v4FJPk8yIpasUCpwONvGEZpK0WFIgTgtvfT3Au2mCtBw

 

Can anyone weigh in on the rumored noctua 200mm? I've heard of that once or twice but has never been able to find meaningful info on it.

 

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Can anyone weigh in on the rumored noctua 200mm? I've heard of that once or twice but has never been able to find meaningful info on it.

I'ts more than a rumour, it's a legend. But, you can't buy a legend. Only read about them.

 

I would be seriously considering a good 140mm PWM fan in the lower left section of 200mm fan front vent area. For experimental purposes, cut a piece of cardboard the size of 200mm fan and then cut a 140mm hole in lower left for the fan. Mount the 140mm fan onto cardboard and cardboard w/ fan in place of 200mm fan. Control the fan with motherboard so it's speed cycles with component fan speed.

And 2x 140mm bottom intakes with case setting on 30-40mm blocks to give bottom vents good airflow.

Other option I would consider is to use 4x 92mm fans. Arctic F9 series come to mind. I can get them for about £3.00 each .. meaning 4 cost less than a good 140mm fan. Granted, they are not the best, but they are quite good, with such a low price they are often the fan of choice, especially when testing. The funny part is every time I used them to get an idea if they would work (80, 92, 120mm) they were so impressive they never got changed to better 'quality' fans.

I'm assuming the H240 X is in the top as exhaust and you have no hdd cage frame blocking airflow.

 

if you can still find them. The cooler Master storm force fans are the best 200s around. but EOL and sleeve bearings. But mine are three years old and still going. So I guess sleeves even in a vertical orientation aren't all that bad.

 

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if you can still find them. The cooler Master storm force fans are the best 200s around. but EOL and sleeve bearings. But mine are three years old and still going. So I guess sleeves even in a vertical orientation aren't all that bad.

What is their RPM range?

 

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I would be seriously considering a good 140mm PWM fan in the lower left section of 200mm fan front vent area. For experimental purposes, cut a piece of cardboard the size of 200mm fan and then cut a 140mm hole in lower left for the fan. Mount the 140mm fan onto cardboard and cardboard w/ fan in place of 200mm fan. Control the fan with motherboard so it's speed cycles with component fan speed.

And 2x 140mm bottom intakes with case setting on 30-40mm blocks to give bottom vents good airflow.

Other option I would consider is to use 4x 92mm fans. Arctic F9 series come to mind. I can get them for about £3.00 each .. meaning 4 cost less than a good 140mm fan. Granted, they are not the best, but they are quite good, with such a low price they are often the fan of choice, especially when testing. The funny part is every time I used them to get an idea if they would work (80, 92, 120mm) they were so impressive they never got changed to better 'quality' fans.

I'm assuming the H240 X is in the top as exhaust and you have no hdd cage frame blocking airflow.

I am thinking the mounting shroud might be a little tricky to make for the 4 92mm fans, or is there an actual shroud available for 4 92mm fans in a box set up on a 200mm fan port?

The bottom HDD cage has been removed but the top one is still there and has 2 each HDD's and SSD's in it. Though I may be getting a PCIe drive as soon as the funds are collected. The PCIe drive will replace my C drive for the OS.

 

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What is their RPM range?

It's the same fan you already have with a higher rpm bandwidth. If I recall correctly, the startup speed is around 450rpm. It is essentially the opposite of what you are looking for.

Remember, this is OCN. 75% of recommendations will be "what I have without having tested anything else, but it's the best because I have it" or "this is what I have, so it must be right for your application, too". You need to weed through that.

Have you thought about the possibility of a Silverstone 180mm? You would still need to make an adapter, but they move a ton of air at low speeds very quietly. Keep in mind that they get loud as ....well, you know, at higher speeds.

 

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I am thinking the mounting shroud might be a little tricky to make for the 4 92mm fans, or is there an actual shroud available for 4 92mm fans in a box set up on a 200mm fan port?

The bottom HDD cage has been removed but the top one is still there and has 2 each HDD's and SSD's in it. Though I may be getting a PCIe drive as soon as the funds are collected. The PCIe drive will replace my C drive for the OS.

I would probably use zip-ties to group the 4x 92mm fans into a 182x182mm square. Something like this. The red lines are each a zip-tie.

Edit: the overall size will be 184x184mm with corner mounting holes being 174.5x174x5mm. The mounting holes are 4.33mm diameter

I have not done the above, so cannot guarantee it will work. But have used 2x & 3x 92mm and 2x 120mm Artics on GPU coolers several times with very satisfactory results. GPU ran much cooler and quieter than stock GPU fans did. They run well below full speed keeping GPU cooler than stock fans did at full speed.

 

I was in the same spot when I was doing my Corsair T600 build. I had bought a 200mm radiator, because if fit perfectly in the front, and 2 large 200mm fans. 1 was the Cooler Master Megaflow, and the other I dont remember. I also had the 200mm fan that came with my case, which is complete garbage. I was unimpressed with any of the fans. and I ended up breaking the blades on the Megaflow, which was the best fan of the set. So after not finding anything, I decided to make an adapter for using 2 120mm fans.

Here is what I made.



Close up in build


Here's two pics of an old setup.


With blue LED lighting


Sadly, I ended up getting a leak in my 200mm radiator. So I did what any respectable modder would do. I upgraded to the 400x200mm radiator lol. Sadly I havnt got around to building a new plenum. But I have a cardboard template made for 6 120mm fans with some nice new modifications. Just need to find time and reason. With my cases positive pressure that large radiator dissipates enough heat, along with my 120mm and 360mm radiators with fans, to keep my rig cool.

EDIT since this thread is so active: 92mm fans make a high pitched noise when pushing a lot of air. A lot more noticeable than a larger fan running at the same volume at a lower pitched noise.

 

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I was in the same spot when I was doing my Corsair T600 build. I had bought a 200mm radiator, because if fit perfectly in the front, and 2 large 200mm fans. 1 was the Cooler Master Megaflow, and the other I dont remember. I also had the 200mm fan that came with my case, which is complete garbage. I was unimpressed with any of the fans. and I ended up breaking the blades on the Megaflow, which was the best fan of the set. So after not finding anything, I decided to make an adapter for using 2 120mm fans.

Here is what I made.

Spoiler: Warning: Spoiler!

Close up in build


Here's two pics of an old setup.


With blue LED lighting

Sadly, I ended up getting a leak in my 200mm radiator. So I did what any respectable modder would do. I upgraded to the 400x200mm radiator lol. Sadly I havnt got around to building a new plenum. But I have a cardboard template made for 6 120mm fans with some nice new modifications. Just need to find time and reason. With my cases positive pressure that large radiator dissipates enough heat, along with my 120mm and 360mm radiators with fans, to keep my rig cool.

EDIT since this thread is so active: 92mm fans make a high pitched noise when pushing a lot of air. A lot more noticeable than a larger fan running at the same volume at a lower pitched noise.

Awesome work!

I was just thinking about the noise the 92mm fans might make. I have a single 80mm in a set of drive bays that blows air across the CPU and directly to the rear fan. It does not make any noticeable noise to me and it lowered my CPU core temps by 3 degress C!

 

I am going to go with the fan shroud adapter and a 140mm fan in the front of the case.
In searching for a decent 140mm fan what do you all recommend?
Should I look for higher CFM or air pressure?

I have a spare brand new Cooler Master CM Essentials 140 that I could use. It has a CFM 60.9 with an air pressure of .82 mmH2O, and it has a 16 db-A noise level.

I like the low noise level but would the CFM and air pressure be what I need or can I get something better without going up to much on the noise leve?

 

Without bringing noise up too much at all (The CM fan is more than 16dB - unless you're 20 feet away):

TR 147a Sq (PWM), Noc A14/A15 PWM or A14 FLX (3pin), Phanteks XP (PWM) / SP (3pin) - A mix of pwm and 3pin models. If you went pwm could use a splitter to have the intake spin up faster as the cpu load increases. It can be a good arrangement when you wanted the quietest idle noise levels and don't mind more noise when the cpu is working for its keep. If you like a narrow range of noise and airflow, then 3pin models like the FLX or SP are good options.

If you need more airflow (with more noise on the top end), the NZXT FX140 FN V2 PWM will go to 11 with 121 CFM. Where 11 = 2000rpm. At full tilt it's 35dB at 1 Meter, but only 20dB(ish) at idle.

 

I have a spare Noctua SSO NF-P14s redux-1500 PWM here. I had it in the bottom of my case but replaced it with two 120mm cougar fans.

Will that do?

I actually completely forgot about it and was trying to figure out what the back fan I have is (very quiet with a 1600 rom fan range) and I was looking through my past orders and saw that and I was like "where is that fan now? I found it in my closet shelf full of fans and tools....lol.

Though, once I get my Grid+ V2 unit up and running again it will probably be connected through that and not on PWM.

 

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I have a spare Noctua SSO NF-P14s redux-1500 PWM here. I had it in the bottom of my case but replaced it with two 120mm cougar fans.

Will that do?

I actually completely forgot about it and was trying to figure out what the back fan I have is (very quiet with a 1600 rom fan range) and I was looking through my past orders and saw that and I was like "where is that fan now? I found it in my closet shelf full of fans and tools....lol.

Though, once I get my Grid+ V2 unit up and running again it will probably be connected through that and not on PWM.

That'll do for starters. Only your ears will know for sure. Not my fav 140mm above 1200rpm, but a fan in hand is worth two on order. Or is it three?

 

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That'll do for starters. Only your ears will know for sure. Not my fav 140mm above 1200rpm, but a fan in hand is worth two on order. Or is it three?

When it was in the bottom of the case I never noticed any real fan noise except for when everything kicks up under load.. Which is a good thing that way I know when things are getting pushed.
It is surprising when some apps or games push my system......