I think the Hayate is the best overall Artisan that gives you both speed and control at the same time, but I'll let someone else confirm.

 

for smoothness, Hayate (even if it wasn't in your list of choices) would be my suggestion.
the Hien is very rough, but has great control. just not smooth at all. still comfortable, imo.

 

which one is most like goliathus speed, hien hayate or zero? i like goliathus besides the bottom rubber is bad and moves around a bit, and i dont like the anti fraying edges. i hate the feel of QCK but love the feel of goliathus speed

 

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I think the Hayate is the best overall Artisan that gives you both speed and control at the same time, but I'll let someone else confirm.

I own an Hayate for 4 month now, and im not sure to recommend it...
As stated in the "how to clean the hayate" thread that mousepad get dirty VERY easily and only after 4 month of usage (around 400h) it is showing signs of wear and tear...
I got mine on the artisan website with japan to france shipping + the border tax and **** it was way too expensive for its durability. (I think ill try a zowie mousepad next)

 

i have a hien and hayate, both soft. i havent used the hien in a while since getting the hayate. its good.

 

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which one is most like goliathus speed, hien hayate or zero? i like goliathus besides the bottom rubber is bad and moves around a bit, and i dont like the anti fraying edges. i hate the feel of QCK but love the feel of goliathus speed

the Raiden is a lot like the Goliathus Speed, but IMO even better. HOWEVER, very picky about what sensor you use.
which mouse do you plan to use with it?
out of those though, I believe the Hayate. but Raiden is definitely more like it (like a brand new one, at least)
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I own an Hayate for 4 month now, and im not sure to recommend it...
As stated in the "how to clean the hayate" thread that mousepad get dirty VERY easily and only after 4 month of usage (around 400h) it is showing signs of wear and tear...
I got mine on the artisan website with japan to france shipping + the border tax and **** it was way too expensive for its durability. (I think ill try a zowie mousepad next)

hmm that's unfortunate, my friend has had his for 8 months and he says it is like new once he cleans it off a bit. might just be because of the dirt and such that it feels worn and torn?
the edges however, do fray easily, which sucks

but, the zowie pads are good too!

 

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the Raiden is a lot like the Goliathus Speed, but IMO even better. HOWEVER, very picky about what sensor you use.
which mouse do you plan to use with it?
out of those though, I believe the Hayate. but Raiden is definitely more like it (like a brand new one, at least)
hmm that's unfortunate, my friend has had his for 8 months and he says it is like new once he cleans it off a bit. might just be because of the dirt and such that it feels worn and torn?
the edges however, do fray easily, which sucks

but, the zowie pads are good too!

what, i thought raiden was a glass top and not cloth? and i use abyssus

 

it's a type of cloth for sure, I can roll it up without problems. I don't know what it actually is but it isn't like the Shiden or ShidenKAI, those crack when you fold or roll up.
but if you use the Abyssus, I hear it doesn't work unfortunately

sorry!

 

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it's a type of cloth for sure, I can roll it up without problems. I don't know what it actually is but it isn't like the Shiden or ShidenKAI, those crack when you fold or roll up.
but if you use the Abyssus, I hear it doesn't work unfortunately

sorry!

Glass coating. Glide is faster than SHIDEN.
*Not crack when dropped. Can be roll up.

clearly says on artisans site that raiden is glass top

 

They just copy pasted the Shiden Kai's description onto the Raiden's page.

You can see that it's cloth here: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/32172733/review/Artisan_2012_review-by-tubby.pdf

 

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They just copy pasted the Shiden Kai's description onto the Raiden's page.

You can see that it's cloth here: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/32172733/review/Artisan_2012_review-by-tubby.pdf

that would explain it, thanks!
it is definitely not glass. I have had ShidenKAI and the Raiden is *not* the same materials.

 

Tbh the Abyssus has problems on many pads for me.
The WMO, FK and Avior (3 different optical sensors) all work fine on my Raiden XSOFT.
It's the smoothest pad I own.