Overclock.net banner

>>Dell Inspiron i7559-763BLK Hands-On Review<<

25K views 203 replies 22 participants last post by  Imglidinhere  
#1 ·
Howdy guys! Got myself a new machine finally! After months and months and even a few years of deliberation and repeated attempts to scrounge up the necessary funds, I finally managed to absolutely SCORE a deal on a brand new machine, not refurbished mind you, warranty intact and one that meets all of my criteria for games and the like.

So without further ado, this will be my second laptop review too, here is the newest addition to my laptop family!

Dell Inspiron i7559-763BLK

Intel i5-6300HQ 2.3 GHz Quad-Core (6M Cache, Turbo up to 3.2 GHz)
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 960M 4GB GDDR5
8 GB DDR3L / 256 GB Solid-State Drive
15.6-Inch FHD IPS, Wide-Angle, Anti Glare Screen


The changes I've made to the machine thus far are the Memory and the Storage of the device.

- Memory upgraded to 12GB
- Storage upgraded with a 1TB HGST 7200RPM HDD

...and off we go!

Asthetics

The design of the machine is one of a typical slim form factor. When closed it's *barely* under an inch thick, which is a crazy feat considering the firepower and cooling capability it brings to the table. It's got a few red touches, a couple highlights, but overall it's built with plastic and this matte black finish. It's a bit of an oily fingerprint magnet so make sure you've got clean hands otherwise it'll show REAL fast with this thing. I like it. Meets my expectations for the price.
__________________________________________
__________________________________________

The keyboard is pretty spongy. I can't lie about this, it's a bit of a negative in my book. Compared to the considerably more firm-feeling keys on my old Qosmio, I'm having a little trouble adapting, but it's all in good time. They managed to fit a full-sized keyboard onto a 15.6" chassis. Yes there IS a numpad included, which is not standard for smaller machines. Not to mention there is a little separation from the main keys too, so it looks less compacted and has a nice 'full' look to it. Not a bad keyboard, but it's not great either. You've been warned.
__________________________________________
__________________________________________

The touchpad is kinda cheap. It's not the worst thing I've ever used, but it's not something I'd recommend to use even on the go if you can help it. Super SUPER sensitive to the touch, at least it shuts off when you're not using it, and due to the placement it's mostly out of the way when playing shooters and the like. Overall, it's workable, but you have to be VERY VERY easy with it. It kinda feels like it's gonna fall off if I turned the machine upside down. For $800, though, I am not complaining too much. I rarely use it more of a neutral here.
__________________________________________
__________________________________________

The display is good. It's considered by most to be "Above Average" for people looking to game. It's an IPS, matte, 1920x1080 15.6" panel. The brand is BOE, HWINFO can't seem to get an ID for the model though, however the color accuracy is great and everything is crisp and clear. I'll admit that it's nowhere NEAR what the old Alienware RGB screen was capable of outputting. That panel was by far the best, and this is much better than the crap TN screen I'm coming from, but it's by no means terribly bright. I have no measuring programs, but if I had to just go off judgement and use what I'm told... I'd say, since the Qosmio before was claimed to have a 180 nits screen brightness, this one probably has around 220-230? It's definitely brighter, and the matte coating keeps reflections to a minimum. Just be sure if you DO use this outside, the brightness will not handle full sunlight conditions. The viewing angles are great. There's almost ZERO color shift when viewing from any angle. I muchly enjoy this screen.
__________________________________________
__________________________________________

The overall build of the machine is sturdy. The screen is firm but there is a noticeable shift in colors even if you twist the screen a little, it's not bad, especially not for $800, but it's there. The machine is oddly heavy for a 15" notebook. Coming from a laptop that weighed in at a solid 8-9 pounds, this thing is probably half that, maybe a tad more, but from what I'm told, it's heavy for a notebook of its size. To me, it's the perfect weight. The case is sturdy, the entire body is rigid and solidly built. The palm rests have this rubberized finish that never heats up when gaming, but are rather big oil magnets, as mentioned for the keyboard too.
__________________________________________
__________________________________________

For connectivity purposes:

- 3x USB 3.0 ports (Two on the left side and One on the right)

- Headphone jack is on the left

- Gigabit LAN port is on the right

- Card Reader is on the right

- HDMI port is on the right

- Kingston Lock is on the right

- Power jack is on the left.
__________________________________________
__________________________________________

The sound is very good. The bass is a little lower than what I'm used to, but Harmon/Kardon is tough to beat for audio. The highs and lows are well pronounced and the volume does not appear to distort at highest levels either, not to mention it's also VERY loud for a laptop, like, at half volume it's as loud as the Qosmio I'm coming from. Just be aware it may cause you to jump a little when you first hear it. It's kinda 'boomy' at first since it's at max volume. It's a pleasent surprise to me, since most machines nowadays have less and less cares when it comes to the sound system, though Dell seems to have found a good middle ground for this machine. I am very pleased.
__________________________________________
__________________________________________

Maintenance is AMAZING. It's the single easiest machine I've ever had to work with and there's nothing but good to come from me on this point. The bottom panel is held in by a single screw. Just undo that one and pop it out. It's almost as good as what Sager offers for their machines, and coming from someone who's used Alienware and the like, this is easily as good. There's no direct access to the CPU and GPU, just the fans for cleaning, but the two big bad components are soldered, so the only reason would be for repasting, and that's a non-issue for me. The SSD it comes with is occupying the M.2 slot it has, I believe it can handle up to a 512GB SSD, but don't quote me on that. The HDD slot has no screws, but it's got a VERY snug fit when you slot it in. I've never seen it before, myself, however I'm actually more satisfied with this than I was with any other design. It's effortless, easy, and consumes no more time than it takes to look at it. Dell, you've outdone yourself with this task. Bravo!
biggrin.gif

__________________________________________
__________________________________________

Components and First Impressions

Alrighty so the first impression I got, just looking at reviews and the like, was that the processor wasn't super powerful and the GPU is only mid-range at best. The truth couldn't be further from this if I wanted to try. I will be the first to note that the 960M is PLENTY powerful for 1080p and the i5-6300HQ is a flawless match for this card. The processor is extremely powerful even without hyperthreading and the lower full load clock speed.



__________________________________________
__________________________________________

The CPU is the new mid-range standard Intel Core i5-6300HQ. It clocks in at a base speed of 2.3GHz and has a maximum turbo boost of 3.2GHz. Due to the power saving features on Skylake, the turbo boost clocks are a fair bit lower than they are on Haswell or Broadwell, however it's not a detrimental loss in any regard. The clocks go as follows:

- 3.2GHz - One Core utilized

- 3.0GHz - Two Cores utilized

- 2.8GHz - Four Cores utilized

As I've seen, performance isn't really hindered in games with the loss of Hyperthreading as much as it's more the loss of the raw clock speed. The i7-6700HQ seems to fair better than this i5 by a solid 30% due to the higher clock speeds and the hyperthreading it boasts, so there are a few limitations to using this processor. That and it's soldered, but we've used soldered CPUs for a while; this is nothing new and shouldn't be seen as a negative anymore.

The clock speed reduction is compensated by the improvements to IPC over previous generations. I'm coming from a Sandy Bridge i7, the i7-2760QM to be precise, and the performance in single and multi-threaded applications is unchanged. If there is a change, it might be slightly worse than the i7...? I can't really tell. I'll take that as a good thing.
biggrin.gif

__________________________________________
__________________________________________

The GPU is an Nvidia GeForce GTX 960M with a dedicated 4GB framebuffer. Pretty sure that will come in handy since I was tapping into the full 1.5GB allocation on the 560M in DX11 games. So, with a GPU that's 3x as powerful, 4GB will get eaten up FAST. It's one thing I'm thankful for. People will claim I'll never use half that, but that's completely bogus. In my experience using a faaar weaker GPU with almost half that Vram, low settings in the newest games will swallow 2GB of Vram in an instant. 4GB is the industry recommendation now for GPUs, both mobile and desktop alike. Heck, even the GTX 970M is ALMOST bottlenecked by it's own 3GB framebuffer and that's a higher end card!



But jumping to the performance, I will try to summarize it. It's amazing. Now I'm not one to care much about this kind of thing being a laptop gamer (can you see my point?), but my last big bad GPU was a desktop GTX 470 overclocked out the wazoo (850/1700/4000) and surpassing GTX 480 levels waaay back when. This thing is still faster at completely stock levels. It's exciting to be able to pull stuff like, maxing out Crysis and playing with >40fps again. I love it. This GPU is crazy powerful for what I play. It's absolutely everything I needed in a GPU and every game I play is now within the realm of playable with decent settings at 1080p with fluid framerates.

I scored around 1900 points in 3DMark 11 with the GTX 560M. It's a decent score for a mobile DirectX 11-capable GPU from 2011. I could handle Crysis on a mixture of highest and lowest settings. Shaders on very high, shadows and volumetric effects on low, etc, stuff like that, and manage around 40 FPS dipping to the low 20s in heavy firefights at 900p. No AA used here, simply couldn't handle it.

The 960M scores 5300. That's an increase of x2.8 in raw DX11 performance ALONE. I can play Crysis on highest settings without AA used, and maintain >40 FPS at 1080p. An increase like this, for me, is such an uplifting moment, I'd cry if it wasn't weird to everyone around me.
tongue.gif
I'll show you this as proof. A mid-range GPU from 2015 can now pull off the same performance, in a game that was considered to be one of the prettiest and most demanding titles up until around 2013-2014, as a GTX 580 while drawing literally one FIFTH the power. Good ****.

Oh right! I forgot to mention, this laptop features Optimus and WOW it's refined into something wickedly awesome!
biggrin.gif
The layout is simple, most newer games know what to look for, but I just force it to use the GTX in the settings and there are zero issues. The Intel chip is the HD 530 and boy... that's one powerful little iGPU! It's easily gaming capable, not for an $800 laptop but it's actually quite something else. The machine uses it specifically for when I'm on battery, and it powers through anything and everything without a hiccup. There's never a stutter on the internet, on Chrome mind you, and Windows 10 handles it nicely. Whether or not Microsoft was telling the truth about better performance, it's certainly a great iGPU. Well done Intel.
biggrin.gif

__________________________________________
__________________________________________

Cooling array. Oohhh... I get shivers when I think about this. Most gaming laptops are designed for typical loads in games, unrealistic conditions are rarely considered but the machines are built to throttle in extreme cases. The biggest turn-off for a gaming laptop is one that cannot handle it's CPU and/or GPU at maximum possible loads and maintain a temperature under 85*C. The GPUs are usually fine, it's the CPUs that always hit around the mid to high 90s, and coming from a gamer that had a laptop like that, it's no fun when you're throttled back to the performance of a lesser chip because your PC can't cool the processor in question.

So you can understand my plight when I see all these super high powered laptops with their dual GPU setups and overclockable CPUs... but the processor sits at 95*C under full load! What's the point of that? I want a laptop that has GOOD cooling and doesn't threaten to throttle under highest possible load. What with games using higher thread counts and pulling more system memory, I want my processor as chilled as possible, relatively speaking.

When I saw the first review on Notebookcheck.net of this machine, it had the i7 instead of the i5 model I was looking at. The i7 hit around 87*C on the hottest core with the 960M at full load on the whole system. That caught my eye REAL quick. The price was a little too high for the review sample, but the i5 model ran cooler, according to forum users at NBR, quite a bit so in fact. In my own tests, I'll show you how much. It's a fair bit less, noticeably so.

Dual fans, three heatpipes with two connecting the CPU and GPU and one more leading across both to a third vent on the left side of the notebook give it a more distinct look. It reminds me of what the Aorus X5 has for cooling. Very similar setup.
______________________________________________________________

Overclocking
______________________________________________________________
Did a little overclocking on the GPU too. I'll post the results on a few games here and there. It appears that overclocking the Core yields waaaay higher bonuses compared to the memory. I have it sitting with +135/+500 and it's fully stable in games and the like. I get about a 10-15% boost it seems with no change in temps in the slightest.

 
  • Rep+
Reactions: RLT1
#2 ·
Benchmarks

3DMark Vantage - Seems to crash at CPU tests... unsure why...


Stock clocks:


Overclocked +135/+500:
 
#3 ·
Game - Settings - Optional Comments




Okay so, Dying Light was stable around 40 FPS. The reason for a lack of any video was due to my realization that any recording software used would sap essential CPU horsepower and lower the actual frame rate to a pretty hefty degree. The game drops to around 30 fps with AA on, but the game looks really really blurry, so I shut it off... again, AA at 1080p on a 15" screen is just unnecessary and in this case it looks worse.
tongue.gif


However, check that Vram usage: 3.5GB! Now would anyone like to tell me a good reason to skimp on Vram and stick to a 2GB 960M now?
tongue.gif
Fallout 4 - High Settings - Should be done within the next few days or so!
biggrin.gif


All tests will be run with Anti-Aliasing OFF at the native resolution. 1080p on a 15.6" screen requires no AA due to the compression of said pixels; edges are seamless as is.
 
  • Rep+
Reactions: RLT1
#4 ·
I played with this laptop some at MS and didn't impress me. Yes the price and specs are pretty decent...but the plasticy feel and massive size of it was just a huge turnoff for me. I'm someone that actually needs portability. My 6 year old XPS 14 is still chugging along and taking a look at the new XPS 15, which is actually smaller in all aspects except for 0.2" width... That'd be my next pick probably, if not the asus Zenbook. I'd really like to keep gaming a possibility on my laptop and it looks like the 960m would fit the bill. Interested to see your review though! Subbed. Definitely interested in the benchmarks. Valley Extreme HD test and Heaven also.
thumb.gif
 
#5 ·
That's awesome bud. I like even more that you seem very happy that you got a new machine and you seem pumped about it
thumb.gif


I'd like to see some benchmarks too and hope that 960m does you well. I started off buying the Asus GL551 which had a 960m but it was giving issues and not running great in games at all really. I was having to drop my settings down and also downscale the res below 1080p to stay at constant 60fps. Also not being a IPS screen I was just not having a good time with that laptop. Since then I moved on to the 970m and IPS screen and have been a lot more happy, but it wasn't just the 960m itself, it was that it only had 2gb of Vram and that's where the major issue was. Since you have the 4gb of Vram I'm sure you will have a lot better time with it than I did. I just don't think the 2gb model is enough for 1080p gaming on the new titles. Especially when the game hogs lots of Vram like Black Ops 3.

I'm interested too in seeing how well games perform for you and how much ram you end up using with that gpu. Hopefully that Dell can keep it cool enough so you don't get any throttling issues. You can use Nvidia Inspector and put a mild overclock on the core (+135mhz) and add +25mv extra voltage, at least all the laptops I tried could, one of which was a alienware (dell) , so you should be able to as well. Boost up the memory about +250-400mhz and you'll get some good performance going. Nvidia Inspector seemed to work the best by far out of all the overclocking softwares out there. Being able to add that extra voltage it does really seemed to help over the others.

Glad to see you are pumped about your new machine and if I can help out in any way, feel free to ask .. I know a guy that can make you a custom Vbios too if you wanted to go that far with it too. It's fun to play around like that sometimes, but I think I am holding off a little now on trying to push the machines to their breaking point LOL. I really like my MSI GT72 I have now and I don't want to kill it faster than it needs to go
tongue.gif
..

Later buddy.
Hurry up already with the results. I'm board now HA
biggrin.gif


Heres a review on it I just saw. It looks pretty decent for the price. M.2 ssd is nice too. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YpzvrqAxHNA

This review says at the end how to fix the issue with the wifi going out all the time. Which seems to be an issue as of now with it. Hope this helps if you don't know already. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=quoHemnLuos

I like the inside build setup. Looks like cooling won't be an issue really with that model and especially with the hardware. Also like that the i5 in there is actually a quad core i5 and not a dual core / hyper threading. That's huge plus in my book. True quad core is where it's at for gaming these days. It's a little low on the 2.3ghz spec, but at least it turbos up to 3.2ghz which isn't that bad at all. Probably see 2.9-3ghz with all core turbo'd.
 
#6 ·
I really like the specs and features of this laptop.

The only thing though is that I'm looking for one that also has a good keyboard and touchpad.

Many of the reviewers noted that it was incredibly spongy to type and click on which is unfortunate.

Any of you guys have ideas for similar laptops but with good usability? I made a new thread asking about this if any of you guys wanna drop by and give me some suggestions.

http://www.overclock.net/t/1589237/sub-1000-gaming-laptop-with-good-keyboard-and-touchpad

The Dell 15 7559 is a top contendor though. From what I know, the 4GB VRAM is useless and its the reason why every other GTX960M only comes with 2GB. I dont plan on pushing more than one external monitor anyway.
 
#7 ·
Quote:
Originally Posted by bowness437 View Post

I really like the specs and features of this laptop.

The only thing though is that I'm looking for one that also has a good keyboard and touchpad.

Many of the reviewers noted that it was incredibly spongy to type and click on which is unfortunate.

Any of you guys have ideas for similar laptops but with good usability? I made a new thread asking about this if any of you guys wanna drop by and give me some suggestions.

http://www.overclock.net/t/1589237/sub-1000-gaming-laptop-with-good-keyboard-and-touchpad

The Dell 15 7559 is a top contendor though. From what I know, the 4GB VRAM is useless and its the reason why every other GTX960M only comes with 2GB. I dont plan on pushing more than one external monitor anyway.
I am so happy with everything on my new MSI GT72 laptop. I know they all have the Stealseries keyboards. The $1000 .. Check MSI out if you want something with very high quality. Their audio is by far the best out of any brand I've heard. I mean big time too.
 
#8 ·
Updated with more stuff! Synthetic Benches are up too!
biggrin.gif
 
#9 ·
Quote:
Originally Posted by Imglidinhere View Post

Games to be ran - Settings - Optional Comments

Crysis DX10 - Ultra - Running the Super Powers Mod. More enemies means more taxing on your system.
biggrin.gif

Crysis 2 DX11 - Very High
Left 4 Dead 2 DX9 - Ultra - Great multi-core awareness and the physics simulation can tax hardware pretty well.
Company of Heroes DX10 - Ultra - Running the Blitzkrieg Mod. Increases unit cap and enhances graphical stressers.
Dying Light DX11 - High
MechWarrior Online DX11 - High
World of Tanks DX9 - Ultra
Thief DX11 - High
Killing Floor 2 DX11 - Ultra
Batman Arkham Origins DX11 - High
Sniper Elite: Zombie Army Trilogy DX11 - Ultra
Space Engineers DX11 - High - VERY taxing on the GPU due to the render distances alone. Similar to to Arma 3

All tests will be run with Anti-Aliasing OFF at the native resolution. 1080p on a 15.6" screen requires no AA due to the compression of said pixels; edges are seamless as is.
Don't forget Hitman: Absolution

BTW, when you bench Thief, the 1st run lags a bit at the start and the minimum fps will be about ~2fps short, so take the 2nd run.
 
#10 ·
LOL, a 960m sounds like a perfect fit for me for my next laptop. Running some similar benchmarks with my current XPS 14 and a overclocked 420m.. most of your 3dmark scores are 3-6x faster than mine, CPU is 2x faster and I'm on an i5-560m. lol Nice! Keep up the good benchmarks!

Edit: My same Heaven 4.0 score was 7.9FPS average. LOL
 
#11 ·
Yeah, I'm pretty impressed with the performance of the 960m in this laptop. Not bad, not bad at all. That 4gb of Vram REALLY makes a DIFFERENCE
biggrin.gif
.. I would choose this Dell over the Asus GL551 that's the same price, minus a SSD and IPS panel. This Dell is a great deal and has WAY BETTER cooling setup that's for sure. Hope you like that laptop a lot man. Hopefully that lasts you a good few years and that will be sweet
thumb.gif


Here's some quick benchmarks of the 6820K @ 4ghz with a 970m so you guys can see the performance jump / difference if you guys are looking for a little more, but it comes at around a $200-300 price jump just to get a 970m, little more on top of that to get the 6820K. It's funny to see that the 6820K @ 4ghz is a good bit faster than a 4.4ghz 4770K desktop cpu. My 4790K @ 4.8ghz gets 960 points.

 
#12 ·
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hambone07si View Post

Yeah, I'm pretty impressed with the performance of the 960m in this laptop. Not bad, not bad at all. That 4gb of Vram REALLY makes a DIFFERENCE
biggrin.gif
.. I would choose this Dell over the Asus GL551 that's the same price, minus a SSD and IPS panel. This Dell is a great deal and has WAY BETTER cooling setup that's for sure. Hope you like that laptop a lot man. Hopefully that lasts you a good few years and that will be sweet
thumb.gif


Here's some quick benchmarks of the 6820K @ 4ghz with a 970m so you guys can see the performance jump / difference if you guys are looking for a little more, but it comes at around a $200-300 price jump just to get a 970m, little more on top of that to get the 6820K. It's funny to see that the 6820K @ 4ghz is a good bit faster than a 4.4ghz 4770K desktop cpu. My 4790K @ 4.8ghz gets 960 points.

It's not another $200-300 to get a 970M machine here, it's another $500-600, which doesn't merit spending the time saving up. The Dell I got here was almost half the price after tax. For me it was $809.99 and off Xotic PC with the same specs and a 970M would be like... $1500ish also because it requires an OS too and matching the SSD too? So for me, I fail to see any reason to drop another chunk of cash on a laptop with a 970M if it costs THAT Much more.

It was a situational purchase and it's one that's paying off for me every second I use this thing.
biggrin.gif
 
#13 ·
Quote:
Originally Posted by Imglidinhere View Post

Quote:
Originally Posted by Hambone07si View Post

Yeah, I'm pretty impressed with the performance of the 960m in this laptop. Not bad, not bad at all. That 4gb of Vram REALLY makes a DIFFERENCE
biggrin.gif
.. I would choose this Dell over the Asus GL551 that's the same price, minus a SSD and IPS panel. This Dell is a great deal and has WAY BETTER cooling setup that's for sure. Hope you like that laptop a lot man. Hopefully that lasts you a good few years and that will be sweet
thumb.gif


Here's some quick benchmarks of the 6820K @ 4ghz with a 970m so you guys can see the performance jump / difference if you guys are looking for a little more, but it comes at around a $200-300 price jump just to get a 970m, little more on top of that to get the 6820K. It's funny to see that the 6820K @ 4ghz is a good bit faster than a 4.4ghz 4770K desktop cpu. My 4790K @ 4.8ghz gets 960 points.

It's not another $200-300 to get a 970M machine here, it's another $500-600, which doesn't merit spending the time saving up. The Dell I got here was almost half the price after tax. For me it was $809.99 and off Xotic PC with the same specs and a 970M would be like... $1500ish also because it requires an OS too and matching the SSD too? So for me, I fail to see any reason to drop another chunk of cash on a laptop with a 970M if it costs THAT Much more.

It was a situational purchase and it's one that's paying off for me every second I use this thing.
biggrin.gif
Not only that but the change in power consumption is quite drastic. I'm sure you got the laptop partly for form factor and that pretty much goes out the window when you're talking a 970m-980m. Yea we know its more power but it seems like the 960m is the biggest chip that is currently available for laptops with a half-way decent form factor.

I've pretty much decided on the XPS 15. I probably won't have it till Christmas unless my tax refund is abnormally large this year. Plus with some CLU I'd imagine I'd eliminate all throttling issues...hopefully. It's a shame we don't have more Thunderbolt 3 boxes. With laptops coming out, they're now starting to include the new thunderbolt 3, just wish they were in high demand. I'd totally kick my desktop to the curb if I could have a 970 powering my laptop vpia thunderbolt 3...

@Imglidinhere, What's your GPU temps in benchmarks or heaven? Do you have overclocking headroom without throttling? I'm very interested to see if, with the right paste job and custom fan profile if there's more headroom in the GPU...
 
#14 ·
Are there any benchmarks against a comparable gaming computer with the 2GB GTX 960M

I'm hearing conflicting things on how much that extra 2GB matters for 1080p gaming.

I'm planning on getting a XPS 15 with my student discount. $1000 should get me the i7 6700HQ, 16GB, 256 Pcie SSD, 2GB GTX 960M

I really dig the Dell 7559 but I need an ultra portable and lightweight laptop that also has great keyboard and touchpad feel. Sadly the plasticy feel of the 7559 is a turn off for me.
 
#15 ·
Quote:
Originally Posted by Imglidinhere View Post

It's not another $200-300 to get a 970M machine here, it's another $500-600, which doesn't merit spending the time saving up. The Dell I got here was almost half the price after tax. For me it was $809.99 and off Xotic PC with the same specs and a 970M would be like... $1500ish also because it requires an OS too and matching the SSD too? So for me, I fail to see any reason to drop another chunk of cash on a laptop with a 970M if it costs THAT Much more.

It was a situational purchase and it's one that's paying off for me every second I use this thing.
biggrin.gif
Don't take that the wrong way bud, that had nothing to do with your purchase at all. I think you made a GREAT choice in what you bought and it's a hell of a deal, especially when compared to the GL551 from Asus. You can get a 970m gaming laptop starting at $1100 easy, and seen some for sale for $1000 a couple times at Microcenter. I was just saying that incase others were wanting to step up the performance. There's a lot of choices out there for $1100 that comes with a 970m, but most are with a 4710/4720hq cpu or the 6700hq, if you want to get the 6820k then that steps up another $200 or so. It's always nice for everyone to see what options there are and how the difference in performance shows. That's all.

Hell, if I bought the Dell you did when I first started off in my pursuit to get my new laptop, I might have just stopped there and had the same thing you have now. I started with getting that GL551 which sucked big time with the 2gb 960m and no IPS display. It was really bad and always ate up the 2gb of Vram right off the bat and was a pain trying to get games running smooth. With the cooling setup on your Dell, IPS screen, SSD all ready installed and ready to go for only $800, that's a steal for sure. I kept adding $200 when I went back to buy a new laptop because I wasn't happy. Went from the GL551 to the Alienware 15 R2 (open box for $1100), that thing sucked bad too and kept losing the 2nd hard drive which had all my games and work files on it so I couldn't do my work that day. Then went to the Asus G752 and had major issues with the bios not being able to support NVMe ssd's right, nor being able to run just normal ACHI mode for any other drive to work proper. Added another $200 and got my MSI GT72 which was WAY MORE than I ever wanted to spend in the first place, but it's where I ended up and I couldn't be more happy now, except that it doesn't fit in my awesome backpack that was $160 and only fits a 16" laptop
doh.gif
LOL.

If I had the choice to get the Dell you got, especially with the 4gb of Vram, I think I would have been really happy. You made a great purchase, don't think that post was to say anything bad at all buddy. I was very happy to see how happy you were the first night you posted that you got a new machine for yourself. I've seen you posting around the past few months and thought you might be making a move
biggrin.gif


Oh, one thing you might want to try out. Have you tried using HWinfo64 yet? You can control the fan speed in your Dell most likely as I was able to with the Alienware. I would just set the fans to 2500/2300 when I wanted to game, which was like 50% on both, and that dropped my max temps a ton on both the cpu and gpu. You might want to check that out with how sweet the cooling setup is on your new beast?? Hope this helps
thumb.gif


Sorry if I came off wrong with that post, was just to give others an idea of what the 970m offered and the 6820k, IF , IF, wanting to go higher in price
wink.gif


Ah, see, Dame lol. Microcenter by me now has this model of the Dell like yours kinda. This one being $899 with a 6700HQ and just a 5400rpm Hybrid drive. I would have gotten that, dropped in my 1tb Samsung 850 Evo and called it a day. I would have been more than happy with that and not have looked any further. I wish they had this in stock a month or 2 ago.
http://www.microcenter.com/product/455381/Inspiron_15_7000_Series_156_Gaming_Laptop_Computer_-_Black

Quote:
Originally Posted by bowness437 View Post

Are there any benchmarks against a comparable gaming computer with the 2GB GTX 960M

I'm hearing conflicting things on how much that extra 2GB matters for 1080p gaming.

I'm planning on getting a XPS 15 with my student discount. $1000 should get me the i7 6700HQ, 16GB, 256 Pcie SSD, 2GB GTX 960M

I really dig the Dell 7559 but I need an ultra portable and lightweight laptop that also has great keyboard and touchpad feel. Sadly the plasticy feel of the 7559 is a turn off for me.
That extra 2gb of Vram makes a huge difference in performance. If you want to play newer games and play them smoothly with nice graphic settings, you will eat up 2gb of Vram very fast especially if you enable 2xAA which is a must for me at least. I had such a bad time trying to game on the 2gb 960m even tho the gpu wasn't hitting 99% usage and running out of steam, it was just hitting the 2gb Vram max and then running like crap, stuttering, lagging, had to drop settings down to low on some, had to down res from 1080p and made the games not even worth playing really. The 4gb 960m will be WAY BETTER by far no doubt. Should play games very smooth with 2xAA enabled and even if it's running around 40-50fps and not staying at 60fps, it should stay smooth. When you hit the Vram limit on a gpu and then it starts dropping under 60fps it gets choppy, stuttery, and not fun to play.
 
#16 ·
I'm looking at synthetic and FPS benchmarks of the GTX 960M 2GB vs GTX 960M 4GB and also the same for the desktop 960 2GB vs 960 4GB

and I'm not seeing enough of a different really to warrant dropping my main laptop choice.

Most laptops use the GTX 960M 2GB so...gonna go with that
 
#17 ·
Quote:
Originally Posted by bowness437 View Post

I'm looking at synthetic and FPS benchmarks of the GTX 960M 2GB vs GTX 960M 4GB and also the same for the desktop 960 2GB vs 960 4GB

and I'm not seeing enough of a different really to warrant dropping my main laptop choice.

Most laptops use the GTX 960M 2GB so...gonna go with that
You won't really see it in synthetic benchmarks because those are just a number after it runs. That doesn't mean it ran smooth and worth playing to get that number, it just got it any way it had to. It also has to do with the games you want to play. If you want to play games like Black Ops 3 and Star Wars Battlefront, or the new Rise of the Tomb Raider that releases today, the 2gb Vram will affect your performance especially if you are playing at 1080p. That's where it hurts. If you are OK with playing at 720p and are happy, then sure the 2gb card will be fine. I have installed the 2gb and 4gb 960's in many desktops and there's a big difference in how smooth games run. That's for sure. Not everyone cares about that tho, so it's a personally preference then. Also if you plan on playing games in the next couple years those games are going to want more than 2gb of Vram also. Older games aren't as much a problem. 2gb is hard for me to recommend to anyone if they want to game on new titles over the next 2 years. The 4gb 960m just makes a lot more sense.

You can get anything you want tho. I do recommend this dell that Imglidinhere just got. That's a killer deal for what it is and comes with the 4gb model. Not sure what laptop you are talking about?

@ Imglidinhere, Can you record some gameplay video and upload some of that so we can see how smooth things run as you are playing? That might help show how much the 4gb of Vram helps over some benchmark results. Just askin
thumb.gif
 
#19 ·
Quote:
Originally Posted by Cakewalk_S View Post

Not only that but the change in power consumption is quite drastic. I'm sure you got the laptop partly for form factor and that pretty much goes out the window when you're talking a 970m-980m. Yea we know its more power but it seems like the 960m is the biggest chip that is currently available for laptops with a half-way decent form factor.

I've pretty much decided on the XPS 15. I probably won't have it till Christmas unless my tax refund is abnormally large this year. Plus with some CLU I'd imagine I'd eliminate all throttling issues...hopefully. It's a shame we don't have more Thunderbolt 3 boxes. With laptops coming out, they're now starting to include the new thunderbolt 3, just wish they were in high demand. I'd totally kick my desktop to the curb if I could have a 970 powering my laptop vpia thunderbolt 3...

@Imglidinhere, What's your GPU temps in benchmarks or heaven? Do you have overclocking headroom without throttling? I'm very interested to see if, with the right paste job and custom fan profile if there's more headroom in the GPU...
I'll post the temps and whatnot when I get home. The GPU has yet to break 66*C and the CPU has yet to break beyond 76*C at the same time. Hottest I've seen in benchmarks on other review sites are much higher, but they use the i7 model... which runs a fair bit hotter already. The guy HTWingNut, over at the NBR forums, reported the same temps with the i5 model in his review of it. So that's a plus.

I'm pretty sure I've got plenty of room for overclocking too. The 960M isn't the best overclocker but it's decent. I'll push it a little bit once I've broken it in a bit more.
smile.gif

Quote:
Originally Posted by Waroo View Post

I`ve been looking at this laptop recently, might buy in a month when I complete all the money

@Imglidinghere I`ve seen a couple reviews complaining about Wifi issues, have you had any of those?
I've had zero issues with wifi. Signal strength is decent for the card it comes with, nothing super fancy, but it gets the job done.
smile.gif
Speeds are good too. I can download top notch at all times without any slowdowns.
 
#20 ·
Quote:
Originally Posted by Imglidinhere View Post

I've had zero issues with wifi. Signal strength is decent for the card it comes with, nothing super fancy, but it gets the job done.
smile.gif
Speeds are good too. I can download top notch at all times without any slowdowns.
It's not the card itself, it's the driver that the card is using that's having the issues. Everyone I've seen in the video reviews are saying that it's dropping the connection after a while, then having to reboot. Towards the end of the 2nd video I posted for you on page 1 had the fix for it if you start having issues. You never know though. Maybe your router works better with the driver that's installed now and you won't see any issues. To many variables out there to say it will happen to everyone.

I'm curious too to the temps you end up hitting after gaming for a half hour to hour, or more. I use real temp to record the max temps each core hits while I'm in game and I can check it after I'm done gaming. I also have MSI AB and RivaTuner installed so I can monitor my GPU clocks, temps, and usage while in game, and also my CPU temps, and usage. I like to see that stuff up in the corner for the most part if it's not in my way.

The 3rd vent on that laptop on the side, not the back. Is that exhaust or intake there? Do you feel air blowing out of that one too? Just curious on that??

Then, if you want to drop your temps down, or test if running your fans at 50% the whole time you are going to game for a hour or whatnot, you can try the HWinfo64 and use the middle setting. Sometimes I seen that running 50% all the time was way better than leaving it on auto and it ramping up and down. usually you won't hear the fans at all on 50% either. Double win lol.

Are you getting the new Rise of the Tomb Raider? I got it for free with my MSI GT72 from Nvidia. They are giving it away free right now with purchases of GPU's. That 960m 4gb might be one of the GPU's that get a free copy. It's worth checking out. The game looks amazing and it's in full DX11
biggrin.gif
 
#22 ·
Updated with the Crysis gameplay video that was requested! Holds anywhere from 30-35 FPS but it's consistent with only one or two dips. Gameplay is smooth even in the heavy firefight there. The number of NPCs was tripled too, Super Powers mod adds more enemies to fight and is generally more taxing due to the higher count you face. Muzzle-flashes yo.
tongue.gif
 
#23 ·
Crysis 2 FPS video is up too. Runs maxed out better than Crysis does. YAY for DX11 optimization!
biggrin.gif
 
#24 ·
Nice, I'll check them out. Hell yeah to Dx11 optimizations. I can't wait for some Dx12 titles. That will make our gpu's run almost twice as fast. Your 960m will be rocking like a 980m for free LOL.

As far as the bios extract, that should be doable with Gpu-Z. I was able to pull the bios from my 970m in the Alienware 15 R2 a couple months ago. It's a dell too, now anyways lol.

I watched both Crysis 1 and 2 videos that you uploaded. Looks to run pretty good at maxed settings. Even with the frame rate around 30-40 fps it still looked very playable. Not bad at all. What's kinda interesting is watching in the Crysis 2 video, the gpu usage was around 80% a lot, but your frame rate wasn't locked at 60fps during that time. Usually if your gpu usage is below 99% that's when you are holding the V-sync cap. It was running around 40-50 fps tho. I can't think that there's a cpu bottleneck going on with that cpu backing the 960m. For your frame rate to be less than 60fps and usage not pegged at 99-100% , that would mean you're getting a cpu bottleneck.

Are you running the latest driver from Nvidia? You aren't running an old driver that Dell loaded on that laptop are you? I personally always go to Nvidia's site and get the newest driver I can. I don't listen to those that say you have to only use the newest one that the manufacture shows in their drivers list. They don't update the driver all the time like Nvidia does for all the new game ready drivers. You try running the latest?? Just curious

Have you applied any overclock to the 960m yet? I'd use Nvidia Inspector if I were you. It worked by far the best out of any other's out there. I have MSI AB installed just to use RivaTuner, but don't overclock through AB at all. That's worked the best for all my gaming laptops. You can apply an extra 25mv to the core with Nvidia Inspector too which let me get the best results. You can probably apply the full +135mhz to the core, and about +250-500mhz on the memory. Should give you a nice boost
thumb.gif
 
#25 ·
The Crysis 2 run had Vsync on. That's why it was sitting around 48 FPS. I've noticed it in a few games. Some sit at 60 and some sit at 48 FPS for Vsync... Can't really explain why that is...

I've got Zombie Army Trilogy coming up in a few minutes. Vram usage hit 2.5GB!
biggrin.gif
So the 4GB framebuffer IS a good thing after all!
biggrin.gif
 
#26 ·
Quote:
Originally Posted by Imglidinhere View Post

The Crysis 2 run had Vsync on. That's why it was sitting around 48 FPS. I've noticed it in a few games. Some sit at 60 and some sit at 48 FPS for Vsync... Can't really explain why that is...

I've got Zombie Army Trilogy coming up in a few minutes. Vram usage hit 2.5GB!
biggrin.gif
So the 4GB framebuffer IS a good thing after all!
biggrin.gif
Thats strange about the V-sync. It should always cap you at your monitors refresh rate as in 60hz = 60fps...

Hell yeah that 4gb is a good thing. You think I was kidding about it when I said I was having a horrible time with the 2gb 960m. That 4gb model is a ton better when you start needing it. Try Black Ops 3 if you want to really use some Vram lol. I've seen 10gb's of Vram usage with my Titan X and that title lol. Also seen 27gb of system ram out of 32gb in BO3 lol.

Now I'm not comparing power here, with the pic I'm posting, just curious in the performance difference. I seen that you had Ice Storm in your benchmark results and I never ran that test before so I just did. After finishing and seeing my score, I'm very confused that you got a 67,000 score
headscratch.gif
.. I just ran on my MSI GT72 that has the 970m and I just got a 165,000 score. That's almost in the 3 times faster range, well more like 2-1/2 times or so, just rough estimate. But in gaming performance the 970m is roughly 35-40% faster than the 960m. I was expecting to hit around 100,000 or so which would have been like 35-40% faster. Getting 165,000 is more like 246% faster ??? I'm not getting why such a huge difference on that test?? Can you run that again? I think you should be more in the 120,000 range if the 960m is 35-40% slower than the 970m right? This has me like WTH LOL I'm going to rerun the test now myself. Something seems odd.


Well it's the same again on my end. Interesting. I think you should be getting a lot higher score than the 67,000 that you got. Try running that test again. Also what driver version are you using right now? Just curious on that too bud. Thanks. Here's my results again for the 2nd run.